Fiery Melee DPS vs. AVs?


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I'll make it brief: the low recharge FM attack chain:

Incinerate-->Scorch-->Cremate-->Scorch

Does it have enough DPS to take down an AV?

(I know this is the scrapper forum, but the brute numbers are similar enough that I think it's fine either way)

Also, if I threw a Gloom in before incinerate would the DPS increase be enough to outweigh the additional end use?


 

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I'm no math expert, but by the numbers I got, at 0 percent fury Gloom added about 4 DPS, which obviously would increase significantly as fury increased.

Also, for my build using G-I-S-C-S i got around 190 DPS at 75% fury, which seems awfully high. I adjusted for arcanatime, but every attack has at least 90% enhancement and I have around 30% global damage buffage, so that might have something to do with it. As of now I can run the chain for 8 minutes and 20 seconds without running dry on endurance, and when I get low, I can drop gloom out of the equation for 8 minutes and 20 seconds and be back to a full end bar.

As long as my math isn't wrong, this should be downright lovely.


 

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Whoops, I messed up my rounding for the Arcanatime, the end result being that the chain is worth more like 180 DPS with gloom at 75% fury, and I could run it for about 24 minutes without running out of endurance.


 

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It's plenty to take down AVs. Don't know about Gloom.
~170 DPS Scrapper-wise, more if you're adding the Hecatomb damage proc into Scorch.

I Don't know about Gloom, but in BillZ's thread 'The Results are in", Gloom was excellent for dps. Top DPS chain for Fire Brute was Gloom - Incinerate - GFS at 213 dps and 3.83 eps.


 

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While I'm here I have one more question.

What sort of difficulty level could a Fire/SR run at with Aid Self?


 

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While I'm here I have one more question.

What sort of difficulty level could a Fire/SR run at with Aid Self?
What ever it wanted if you soft cap /sr if you add tough in the equation it gets better


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What ever it wanted if you soft cap /sr if you add tough in the equation it gets better
My 50 Fire/SR runs at +4/x8 for any mission without an AV, using a build that is softcapped and does not have Aid Self - I went the Fireball route for more AoE excellence. I have a seperate build I switch to for AV soloing, which has Aid Self and Conserve Power.


 

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So you can successfully use it for farming?


 

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Originally Posted by Motley_Cruel View Post
So you can successfully use it for farming?
Definately.


 

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So you can successfully use it for farming?
While the answer is probably still yes it is worth noting that Gaidin is using Fireball from the scrapper epic pools to boost his AoE damage and that isn't available to brutes. So a brute would likely not farm as well as a scrapper unless there is an equivalent in their epic pools (And I don't know).

The survivability side of things would still be good enough though.


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While the answer is probably still yes it is worth noting that Gaidin is using Fireball from the scrapper epic pools to boost his AoE damage and that isn't available to brutes. So a brute would likely not farm as well as a scrapper unless there is an equivalent in their epic pools (And I don't know).

The survivability side of things would still be good enough though.
Brutes can get Dark Obliteration from the GW PPP and Ball Lightning from the Mu PPP. Neither are quite as hard-hitting as Fireball but are comparable.


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