BS/Regen or /WP


ClawsandEffect

 

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OK..I have 2 builds here that I can't decide between... trying to figure out which will play "better." The biggest difference that I can tell is the resistance..which is important, being that neither is really soft cap. Anyway, here are the builds; let me know what ya think.. I'm kind of thinking regen may be more fun...I'm wondering how it fares against Cimerorans, etc.?? Iggy..which has been more fun for you, your regen or your wp?

BS/WP:

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BS/Regen:

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P.S. I'm just messing around with other Broadsword scrapps... I'm currently working on my BS/Shield, which is fun...but sorta boring.. not sure why. I think that's why I'm leaning toward regen...a lil more "clicky"...BUT.. I'm just not sure of how it plays late-game.. I'm semi-familiar with shield cause I have 2 50 sr's.


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Both Build are "ok".

But I have a lvl 45 BS/Regen with amazy End/Regen (its in its name DUH)

I would go Regen

WP is just a bag of HP.


 

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Personally, id go with Shield, or Super Reflexes.

Cant go wrong with Additional Damage and a Extra Alpha AoE with Shield, and SR helps up damage a little by granting Quickness, for a +20% Recharge Redux bonus to all attacks and powers.

That, and the fact of your already slow, why put up with re-draw using Regen?


 

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Stefanie,

I don't like either build. Some of the slotting is really off.

Parry in both builds for example need a lot more accuracy, it could also do with more recharge as well. And the slotting on Disembowel and Head Splitter are criminally bad. Those are your two heaviest hitting attacks and they're way under-enhanced in almost every regard.

I really dislike how you slotted the following powers:

WP: Mind Over Body, Fast Healing, Weave, Disembowel, Head Splitter, Parry, Focused Accuracy, and that you took the self-rez over SoW.

Regen: Fast Healing, Dull Pain, Instant Healing, that you took the self rez and over MoG. Also, Parry, Disembowel, Head Splitter.

You need to stop chasing set bonuses so much and focus on getting good enhancement values first.


 

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thanks, guys =D <3

I want a regen scrapp so badly... but shields really does fit how I want to play better.. blah. I can never be happy. Not sure how many more scrappers I'm going to go through before I finally settle on one. thanks again for taking the time to look at my builds! I know I've posted quite a few. =D


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Gonna go with regen here...




Then again I lovez me some regen


 

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Iggy didn't just raise the bar....he picked it up and took it home with him.

He knows of what he speaks. I'd go BS/Regen as well (actually I might go katana here)

I like the "OMG OMG OMG I'M GONNA DIE........oh, wait, false alarm" aspect of regens.

When you get dropped to less than 1 HP (in 1 hit no less) on a MSTF attempt and are at full health 1 second later, that's regen!

When you consider the "real" threat to be the thing that actually made your HP bar move, that's regen!

When you pop DP and IH simultaneously and realize that you're regenerating faster than the GM you're fighting, that's regen!

Yeah......I like regen just a little, can ya tell?


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Hell, I love the way Regen DIES. It happens so fast, and yet it was still my fault, not my secondary letting me down. If only I'd anticipated better, been a little faster. I almost never die as a result of being out of clicks. I die because I'm not fast enough - at deciding which power is the correct one right now, at clicking that power when the decision is made. I die because I didn't anticipate well enough. I should know what damage I'm taking before it even happens. I should be ready. It's obvious just how much potential is still there, sitting on the table, if only I were good enough to pick it up.

Man, it's been too long since I've played Werner. Wonder how bad I suck at it now, or if I still have those Regen reflexes.


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"Four hours in, and I was no longer making mistakes, no longer detoggling. I was a machine." - Werner
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Originally Posted by Werner View Post
Hell, I love the way Regen DIES. It happens so fast, and yet it was still my fault, not my secondary letting me down. If only I'd anticipated better, been a little faster. I almost never die as a result of being out of clicks. I die because I'm not fast enough - at deciding which power is the correct one right now, at clicking that power when the decision is made. I die because I didn't anticipate well enough. I should know what damage I'm taking before it even happens. I should be ready. It's obvious just how much potential is still there, sitting on the table, if only I were good enough to pick it up.
This is why everyone should play at least one */Regen character and why Castle needs to make more sets designed to follow the */Regen clicky model of survivability.


 

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great..now I can't decide between bs/regen or my bs/dark (at 34.) dark is so much fun but I need a toon that's gonna be good for all game content. (yeah..shields or sr is prob best for that...but BORING!) so..thanks a lot, guys.


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and............ bs/regen made.... >.>


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Originally Posted by Stefanie View Post
great..now I can't decide between bs/regen or my bs/dark (at 34.) dark is so much fun but I need a toon that's gonna be good for all game content. (yeah..shields or sr is prob best for that...but BORING!) so..thanks a lot, guys.
You got a 34 bs/dark?
I hear great things about swords/dark. Perhaps some more experience darkies could come in and share thier thoughts on this all game content thing


 

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You got a 34 bs/dark?
I hear great things about swords/dark. Perhaps some more experience darkies could come in and share thier thoughts on this all game content thing
Well, soloing defense debuffers like Arachnos and especially Cimerorans on +4x8 is a serious pain and not recommended unless you want to go to defense debuff school in the really bad part of town. I haven't done any task forces, but see no reason to expect particular problems. Other than that, I think I'm pretty much good to go for all game content. AVs with no temps no insps are almost cruise control easy (11 Praetorians in a row with no deaths). I did, however, spend the bank to get that level of performance. Still, with just frankenslotted attacks and SOs, I was running between +2x4 and +2x6 from about the mid 30s on. I don't have much to compare that to, but it certainly felt solid enough.

Compared to Werner (Katana/Regen), Alexei (Katana/Dark) is simply MUCH stronger and MUCH easier, without being fire and forget boring, as I've found Super Reflexes and Willpower to sometimes be.


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Stefanie,

I have had a BS/Regen scrapper since I2 - I've had to change him as the game has changed, but he still is a ton of fun to play, has capped melee defense with parry, and never runs out of END - he's an AV killer. This is how I built mine, for maximized survivability. With Regen and stamina, I can run tough and weave at all times and still never run out of endurance. Tough toon, and absolutely fantastic at single target destruction. He has a single hold (for those blasted Malta Sappers) and is slotted mostly with Orange sets. Personally, i think purples are highly overrated and prefer the +defense bonuses from the orange sets for 1/8th the price tag of a purple set.... you can swap a couple of slots or sets around for additional ranged or melee defense, but I've never had a problem surviving with this build as the vast majority of incoming attacks are melee and more melee defense sets are wasted once parry hits.
Oh yeah, and perma-dull pain = about 75 HP regen per second without Instant healing. Good times!

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You got a 34 bs/dark?
I hear great things about swords/dark. Perhaps some more experience darkies could come in and share thier thoughts on this all game content thing
As Werner said, I have no problem with most things in the game....but defense debuffs make my BS/DA curl up into a little ball and hope they go away.

No, not really, he still has his resists and a monster heal to fall back on (812 HP from one target), but when that cascading defense failure starts in he goes from untouchable to very bruised and lacerated pretty quick.

Swords/Dark is a potent combo. I think I softcapped one cheaper than anyone else has, but I can't be sure. Not necessarily better, mind you, just cheaper.

The only things I have trouble with are: Nemesis, because Parry starts missing when they pop vengeance. Cimerorans, defense debuffs up the wazoo, every single Cimeroran you will encounter has a defense debuff of some kind. And last, believe it or not, I have trouble with extremely large groups of Council. When you have 17 guys all firing defense debuffing machine guns at you your defense disappears in a hurry.

I have occasional trouble with Carnies, but only when that end drain they do when they die tags me a few times in a row.

RWZ Challenge...no sweat.

AVs...depends on which one. Black Swan is a pushover, Mother Mayhem and Malaise are both chumps. Siege, Nightstar, and Marauder are a PAIN because of the lethal resistance they have. Oh, and that Chimaira guy? I forgot he was an AV until he didn't drop in a few seconds flat, piece of cake.

ITF.....ummm.....yeah. I can do it, but it gets painful for me if there's no tank to soak up some agro. *I* had to tank it one time...that sucked. TFs are no problem, even though I lose my softcapped defense on all but 4 of them.

PvP? Not even gonna go there, DA is arguably the worst secondary choice for PvP, and I'll just leave it at that.

Not a good farmer, mostly single target damage and I don't have a whole lot of recharge, so it's slow going. Steady, because I rarely die, but slow.


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The only things I have trouble with are: Nemesis, because Parry starts missing when they pop vengeance. Cimerorans, defense debuffs up the wazoo, every single Cimeroran you will encounter has a defense debuff of some kind. And last, believe it or not, I have trouble with extremely large groups of Council. When you have 17 guys all firing defense debuffing machine guns at you your defense disappears in a hurry.
nemesis and cimerorans are ones I love to "farm" (I know bs/dark not a good farmer, but I don't mean the typical "farm") blah! but I think it may be fun, anyway...just because I'm sorta taken with dark armor. I really want a dark/dark, but not sure how I'd enjoy it late game.... :/ really trying to figure out what's going to hold my interest while still being survivable. <3 soo glad you guys are helping me, though!


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I don't think Nemesis and Cimerorans should be a big problem unless you turn the difficulty way up. For Nemesis, it's the usual tactic of saving the lieutenants until last, then killing them all at the same time. For Cimerorans, just be ready to use Divine Avalanche more than you normally would.

Maybe I should go wall farm and see how it goes. I bet it'll be fine...


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I don't think Nemesis and Cimerorans should be a big problem unless you turn the difficulty way up. For Nemesis, it's the usual tactic of saving the lieutenants until last, then killing them all at the same time. For Cimerorans, just be ready to use Divine Avalanche more than you normally would.

Maybe I should go wall farm and see how it goes. I bet it'll be fine...
you go right ahead, mr. gazillionaire... >.> :P

I made a dark/dark just for fun... leveling it up a little and we'll see how it goes. I bet the lack of aoe will bother me... we shall see. =) <3


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Well, ClawsandEffect has a pretty cheap, or at least moderately priced build. Probably has most of the performance of mine. Anyway, ran one circuit. No problems. Didn't need my heal or any inspirations. I think regular Cimerorans are fine. It's just +4x8 that's suicide.


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"Four hours in, and I was no longer making mistakes, no longer detoggling. I was a machine." - Werner
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=D ty, Werner <3 (for testing it)


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