SuperDuperMan Tank

Greetings Tankers,
Im just getting back into playing after a long Hiatus. Ive kept my account just wasnt playing for a while.
Anyway I thought I'd like to try for the Holy Grail (for me) of Tanking.
SuperMan.
What are the current thoughts on how best to make him.
WP or INV?
Is SS still the best candidate for a secondary?
Rules are he has to be fun to play and since this will be an Homage I'm going to taking laser beam eyes when the time comes.

There are some (admittedly pretty old) old guides to doing exactly that in the guides section:

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=117797

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=114246

Secondary wise, EMs punches minus their pom pom effects or perhaps they can be toned down to the point of being mild glows might have been a possibility.
I never cared for SS's Pro Wrestler looking (to me) attack animations, but I just remembered they gave us different animations to choose from so I'll have to take a peek and see what the new ones look like.
For me SS attacks were Hulk like, very SMASH, I always thought of Superman as having more finesse and restraint, he didn't always unleash all his power, only when it was really necessary did he do the double handed stuff.
Regarding your WP/SS Is your hi level IO'd or SO'd out of curiosity.
I will be taking a look at Call Me Awesome's guide regarding INV and soft capping, but Its gonna be a while before I get to a level and funds suitable for IOing and he has to be fun along the way.
Oh forgot to add in the Rules: He cant bring shame onto the Tanker class by not being able to tank well!
I have heard that WP can be a bit problematic with aggro holding but have never seen it in person.
So thoughts there would be appreciated.

Don't forget also that you have new punching attacks in Super Strength that are different from the originals. You may find they fit your concept better.

I know many people say Willpower is a better invulnerability than Invulnerability, but I find that between the lower defense numbers, which result in you taking more damage before healing it back up with RTTC, and the lack of strong taunt effect, it doesn't fit what I think of as that Superman feel. Invincibility, to me, fits the idea of him being fast and agile as well as bulletproof, while the Psi hole is kind of like Supes' weakness to magic. I do wonder what it is Superman would ever be afraid of, but you can get some Fear resistance IOs so at least it doesn't last that long.

And I've found the Slow resistance and Energy Drain resistance do make for a closer concept too. I'm not as much immovable as unstoppable.

Then again, my Superman clone has strong doses of The Thing and The Hulk as well, so the more "brawny" punches fit him.

You know, Superman's known just as well for his strength as his toughness. If you don't mind trading off a bit of one for the other, it's fairly easy to softcap a Scrapper's S/L defense. You can take MA (switch to punching animations) with Invuln... playing in mids, i got "him" to 53% s/l defense (8% more than you need for the soft-cap) and 67.3 s/l resist (with other resists hanging around the 20s, which isn't THAT much worse than an invuln tank). It should be noted though that i skipped build up, taunt, and health/stamina and had to IO out for recovery. There's probably plenty of other ways to go about making the build.

Just offering an alternative =)

Very Nice Jade,
I appreciate the input.
Thanks for the link too, it was a fun read.
I'm Currently thinking WP/SS with INV/SS as a possibility as well.
My thinking on WP is that since it gives a hefty boost to end, It captures the aspect of Supes never getting tired, I was playing my INV SS hes only 16 at the moment but he was sucking more blue than he had in fighting Tsoo groups in Steel.
But then again I had forgotten about INVs slow resists, its gonna suck when my WP goes up against the Knives and slows to a crawl!
Hmmm more thought.

You just need to grab stamina and maybe get some IO sets that give you extra recovery. Tanks are meant to be slow moving, so losing endurance helps maintain that "slow" feeling. Also, Tanks are team players: get a kin and/or a rad on your team and they'll take care of your endurance blues (pun not intended) while you handle the agro! You're never more powerful than when you have a good defender backing you up!

I agree with Steel that Supes is not necessarily a tank. Though if I were to make him one, WP/SS would have to be it.

To make and AT into [yet another] Superman clone, cap defense. With WP/ I think it's easier to do it with S/L, though Melee/Lethal is possibly what it is. I don't recall.

Tanks don't dish enough damage to be Supes. No AT in the game does.

Hmm, I'd have to think of him as a kheld for a while...hmm.

The thing is, Supes is beyond the scope of this game's ATs. He can do more damage than anything in this game, and can take harder hits. But a lot of the time he cherry-taps everything on purpose and has no KB protection when he isn't expecting to get hit. However, at peak strength, he can shrug off a nuclear blast and can move a whole planet-sized being that's actively thrusting against him. He's always -just- as strong, tough, or intelligent as he HAS to be.

This is why i mentioned scrappers. Very few Tanks have the damage to take down an AV solo, but scrapper-level damage combined with capped defenses should easily do the trick.