Can this play CoX Ultra Mode?
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Posted on: 2010-01-23 17:38 in ALL ACCESS Gameplay Technical Issues Bugs
we don't know yet... and probably not
The Mobile GT240 was basically supposed a die-shrunk, downclocked, rebadged, Geforce 9400. (I wrote in another thread it was equivalent to a 9600... but it's not)
Desktop Nvidia performance: http://www.techarp.com/showarticle.aspx?artno=88&pgno=7
Mobile Nvidia performance: http://www.techarp.com/showarticle.aspx?artno=98&pgno=7
Thing is, we don't know what the resolution scaling of Going Rogue is. If Going Rogue is simply feature limited, than the mobile chip might be able to play the game.
If the game is performance limited and Geforce 9800 is the bare minimum for performance, then no, this card will not be able to run Ultra Mode.
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Originally Posted by je_saist
we don't know yet... and probably not
The Mobile GT240 was basically supposed a die-shrunk, downclocked, rebadged, Geforce 9400. (I wrote in another thread it was equivalent to a 9600... but it's not) Desktop Nvidia performance: http://www.techarp.com/showarticle.aspx?artno=88&pgno=7 Mobile Nvidia performance: http://www.techarp.com/showarticle.aspx?artno=98&pgno=7 Thing is, we don't know what the resolution scaling of Going Rogue is. If Going Rogue is simply feature limited, than the mobile chip might be able to play the game. If the game is performance limited and Geforce 9800 is the bare minimum for performance, then no, this card will not be able to run Ultra Mode. |
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Hardware Requirements In a posting after the Herocon panel, Positron posted the following in response to questions about the hardware requirements for Ultra mode. This is not for the game as a whole, just Ultra mode. After demoing the Ultra-mode at HeroCon, one of the most frequently asked questions we have been receiving is what are the video cards you recommend to get the most out of Ultra-mode? With the holiday season coming up, we asked the programmers in charge of implementing the features of Ultra-mode what they would recommend. We would like to forward this information on to you so you can better work on your holiday shopping lists. If you are looking to spend under US$100, then an NVidia 9800 GT is your best bet. For AMD (ATI/Radeon), we dont have enough of these cards at this price point to get you good data. This would be the minimum card for enabling all the features, only at reduced quality settings. If you are looking to spend between $100 and $200, the Radeon HD 4890 and GeForce GTX 260 will do you well. We dont have numbers from the Radeon 57xx series yet to verify if that is better or worse though. This would end up somewhere in the middle of Ultra-mode quality. Finally if you are going to spend over $200, the GeForce GTX 285 is an excellent choice. We dont have numbers from the Radeon 58xx series yet. This would be able to run Ultra-mode with the quality maxed out (except we have no data on Anti-aliasing, so caveat emptor when it comes to that specific feature). Note: This is based on our current internal testing and might change by the time Going Rogue is released. Also, a video card is not the ONLY thing you should take into consideration. Your PC having a decent processor and memory will also enhance your performance. As we continue to test and get more information available we will update you. I hope this helps, and happy holidays! |
So, my home PC...
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Will be able to or do I need to buy something new? Because yanno, they have already stated its coming, I have the money to buy something right now. But money burns through my pocket.
Nvidia GF100 Fermi < Is that what I need to be able to exp this freaking ultra mode?
And I do not want to spend 4 thousand dollars on a damn lap top. What is the minimum specs needs to play Ultra Mode on a LAPTOP?
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Originally Posted by je_saist
we don't know yet...
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Originally Posted by Perfect_Pain
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... Note: This is based on our current internal testing and might change by the time Going Rogue is released. ... |
Why are you asking us?
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This is a laptop GT 240M not a desktop GT 240. A desktop GT 240 is just shy of a 9600GT in performance.
A laptop GT 240M appears to be a touch slower than a Mobility Radeon HD 4650.
As to the question at hand, we won't know until "we" get to see it in beta.
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Originally Posted by Ironblade
You've already got the full text of Positron's comments.
Why are you asking us? |
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...should be fine as a first approximation.|
Originally Posted by Perfect_Pain
So, my home PC...
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There should be absolutely nothing wrong with your CPU; that's plenty. With what we've been told in the Ultra Mode Shopping Guide thread, the GTX 260 should run Ultra Mode at some resolution. If it turns out that it doesn't run Ultra Mode at the screen resolution *you most want*, then the only component you should have to upgrade is the video card - and possibly the power supply depending on what you want to install.
But incendiary currency or not, I wouldn't spend any money to alter that system at the moment.
EDIT: Oh, and the GTX 260 you have is about three capability-tiers more powerful than the 240-mobile you're looking to buy.
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To point out the obvious: the information we have available to us is contained right in the text YOU posted.
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Originally Posted by Perfect_Pain
If you don't know the answer, then why are your posting at all?
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Allow me to say this. I am currently trying to purchase a laptop that is better than the POS laptop I have right now. I was hoping that one of these tech guru's would know the laptop equivilants for what Positron posted about normal GFX cards. |
Originally Posted by Ironblade
To point out the obvious: the information we have available to us is contained right in the text YOU posted.
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According to the nerds online a laptop with a Nvidia 260M GTX can play games like Crisis on Medium High settings, or even the Nvidia 360M GTS can play every single game that is out to date including a graphicswhore like Age of Conan.
I have been continuing my research to a better Laptop, I was just hoping someone on here might know what I was talking about.
I purchased my current laptop from a well know store in Columbus, and they literally told me to my face that it could play a game like City of Heroes. They ******* lied. So this time I am trying to do enough research that I wont get ripped off this time. Let me be honest with you, the laptop I have right now can not even play crappy Zynga games on facebook without stuttering and coughing up a lung to do it.
P_P, that's why I linked you to the page at Notebookcheck that listed the details on the GT 240M. If you notice on that right side of the page the links under Class 1, Class 2, etc. which ranks the general performance of each laptop video GPU.
If you want a direct comparison between a laptop GPU and a desktop model, the GTX 260M is about the same strength as the desktop 9800GT. Actually it's more like a slightly underclocked 9800GT but the point being that the GTX 260M is considered to be a fairly powerful laptop chip where the desktop 9800GT is totally outclassed by the desktop GTX 260.
nVidia's marketing department is evil with their naming convention, plain and simple.
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I appreciated the link. I have been doin some crazy research on this, only to have Positron shatter all my hopes in twitter this morning. He said NO Laptop will be able to play UM on high settings. (or atleast he doesnt think it will be possible).|
Originally Posted by Father Xmas
P_P, that's why I linked you to the page at Notebookcheck that listed the details on the GT 240M. If you notice on that right side of the page the links under Class 1, Class 2, etc. which ranks the general performance of each laptop video GPU.
If you want a direct comparison between a laptop GPU and a desktop model, the GTX 260M is about the same strength as the desktop 9800GT. Actually it's more like a slightly underclocked 9800GT but the point being that the GTX 260M is considered to be a fairly powerful laptop chip where the desktop 9800GT is totally outclassed by the desktop GTX 260. nVidia's marketing department is evil with their naming convention, plain and simple. |
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@Perfect_Pain A bit diff. We are adding FX to existing art, not re-doing all art. Makes the game look tons better, w/o taking 5 years to do. 33 minutes ago from TweetDeck in reply to Perfect_Pain Reply Retweet @Perfect_Pain I don't think ANY mobile graphics chip is going to be able to push ALL the features of UM on High with an acceptable FR. about 2 hours ago from TweetDeck in reply to Perfect_Pain |
Well I imagine an uber gamer laptop with two top of the line mobile GPUs (in SLi or Crossfire) may be able to run UltraMode but we're talking top shelf, $$$ laptop with a sub hour battery life that'll burn your lap off and have a power brick the size of an XBox 360's.
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My guy said the way Posi makes it sound is that UM on high would just melt the laptop.|
Originally Posted by Father Xmas
Well I imagine an uber gamer laptop with two top of the line mobile GPUs (in SLi or Crossfire) may be able to run UltraMode but we're talking top shelf, $$$ laptop with a sub hour battery life that'll burn your lap off and have a power brick the size of an XBox 360's.
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I was willing to spend up to 1500.00$ on a sweeeeeeeeeeeeeet laptop... which would be an enormously better laptop than I have now. But, with the way he makes it sound I would have to wait til Nvidia comes out with a FERMI series 100ish? for laptops >.<
Was a real downer for me.
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You'd be waiting until Spring 2011 then... From what we know out of TSMC, Nvidia hasn't even placed orders for anything other than the 3billion transistor mega-chip top-end Fermi GPU. We also know from Thermaltake that Fermi is HOT. Getting the Fermi architecture to run at appreciable clock-rates and performance levels without playing the part of oven-roaster is probably going to require another die shrink... and that means cuddling up to either GlobalFoundaries or Intel for something smaller than 40nm. |
Originally Posted by Perfect_Pain
My guy said the way Posi makes it sound is that UM on high would just melt the laptop.
I was willing to spend up to 1500.00$ on a sweeeeeeeeeeeeeet laptop... which would be an enormously better laptop than I have now. But, with the way he makes it sound I would have to wait til Nvidia comes out with a FERMI series 100ish? for laptops >.< Was a real downer for me. |
While Fermi might indeed be a performance monster, from the information given to us by the companies working with Nvidia, Nvidia's pretty much knocked itself out of the mid-range and mobile segment for at least another hardware generation.
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Honestly, I wouldn't waste the time or money going after a laptop to play UM. While it may be super-schmexy and all, the return is relatively small for the massive cash-outlay it would require.|
Originally Posted by Perfect_Pain
My guy said the way Posi makes it sound is that UM on high would just melt the laptop.
I was willing to spend up to 1500.00$ on a sweeeeeeeeeeeeeet laptop... which would be an enormously better laptop than I have now. But, with the way he makes it sound I would have to wait til Nvidia comes out with a FERMI series 100ish? for laptops >.< Was a real downer for me. |
Now, if you want a laptop that'll run maxed in REGULAR mode, that would be well within your budget and eminently doable by a large number of laptops out there.
If you want portable play, go for a laptop and to hell with top-end graphics.
If you want top-end graphics, get a desktop.
Clicking on the linked image above will take you off the City of Heroes site. However, the guides will be linked back here.
PP, I was able to find a laptop here that includes a ATI Mobility 5870, that is supposed to be based on the desktop 5770 card. It's a DirectX 11 card with GDDR5 Video Ram.
According to what I saw, it's scheduled to be by late February. That might be worth a look, but will probably be higher priced than you were looking for. This may be the best you can hope for at this time for an Ultra mode type laptop.
I would imagine this would be one of those systems where you'd end up running it mostly plugged in as opposed to battery power, and you'd definitely want a cooling pad, similar to the one I have, listed here.
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Originally Posted by DarkEther
PP, I was able to find a laptop here that includes a ATI Mobility 5870, that is supposed to be based on the desktop 5770 card. It's a DirectX 11 card with GDDR5 Video Ram.
According to what I saw, it's scheduled to be by late February. That might be worth a look, but will probably be higher priced than you were looking for. This may be the best you can hope for at this time for an Ultra mode type laptop. I would imagine this would be one of those systems where you'd end up running it mostly plugged in as opposed to battery power, and you'd definitely want a cooling pad, similar to the one I have, listed here. |
Yeah, it seems like a good deal. I paid more for my current machine with a GeForce 7950 GTX 512 Mb in it. If I hadn't convinced myself to try to sell my older laptop and get a desktop, I'd certainly be looking at this one pretty hard.
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To put these fancy new laptop CPUs into perspective.
The i7-720QM runs at 1.6GHz, can turbo boost to 2.8GHz and beats out the 2.0GHz Core 2 Q9000 mobile processor by a smidge. Actually it falls between that and the 2.26GHz Q9100 (which has twice the L2 cache of the Q9000).
What you really are paying for is the video card, 8GB of DDR3, a TB of fast hard drive space and a Blu-ray player coupled to a 1080P screen. Not bad for $1650, assuming those specs are correct.
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