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I remember reading in web of arachnos that when statesman and recluse drank from the well of furies that some sort fo power was spread around the world. I seem to remember them mentioning pandoras box but I could be wrong

But I can't seem to find anything about it on paragon wiki. I just wanted to make sure I had the info right.


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From what I remember (it was years ago when I read that novel and water damage destroyed it), Pandora's Box is credited with the origin of many modern superpowers in various forms. It's the primary reason why superheroes only really started appearing around the same time as Statesman and Recluse. I don't remember the specifics of it being opened, however.

Also of note is that the furies mentioned Paragon City itself being on a leyline of fate of some sort, which is why so many powerful individuals gather there.

Again, it's been years since I read it, so if someone still has an in-tact copy or has read it recently, feel free to correct me here.


 

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Also of note is that the furies mentioned Paragon City itself being on a leyline of fate of some sort, which is why so many powerful individuals gather there.
Not to mention Oranbega.


 

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States and Recluse both drank from teh well of furies, gaining the power of ancient gods, and opened pandoras box, creating the power behind almost all metahuman activities now. The only real problem I see here is that Cimerora clearly has superpowered beings there and not to mention there have been mages long before then. Perhaps opening it in the future opened it to the world regardless of time. Theoretically, travelling through time could pass the effect of pandoras box into the past, thereby allowing magic and such to exist at all. That would explain why mages existed before the Box was actually opened, because in the future, it had already been opened and transferred to the past through recless time travel.

Pardon me, I'm just ranting about how many loopholes CoH lore tends to have.


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The opening of Pandora's Box by Cole and Richter did basically spark the most recent surge of meta-human activity, at least from the book's standpoint. From what I remember of the book the box had been opened at least once before around the time the Furies were born/created leading to the monsters and myths from that time also.

Just speculating here but Pandora's Box seemed to have been a kind collection or filtering agent that collected and stored an unknown type of energy that allowed meta-abilities to florish. The real question is since the box was apparently destroyed by Stefan in the most recent opening will the "energies" be able to recollect and spawn a distant future generation of meta-mythology or is the present the last great age of the unusual.


 

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Stephan and Marcus drank from the Well of the Furies triggering their transformation into what we call Incarnates. Marcus was curious as to the source of the Well's power and followed the stream feeding the Well to an antechamber. Therein he discovered the box (thought to be the box of Pandora from myth). Upon opening that the collected energy was distributed throughout the world.

In Web it was related that this was not the only time the box had been opened. (As Dragon Shadow says.)

My reading of Web states that the box had been moved (or otherwise disappeared) before Stephan or Marcus could retrieve it. So it's possible that it is still out there, somewhere, starting to collect its energy for release at a future time.


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States and Recluse both drank from teh well of furies, gaining the power of ancient gods, and opened pandoras box, creating the power behind almost all metahuman activities now. The only real problem I see here is that Cimerora clearly has superpowered beings there and not to mention there have been mages long before then. Perhaps opening it in the future opened it to the world regardless of time. Theoretically, travelling through time could pass the effect of pandoras box into the past, thereby allowing magic and such to exist at all. That would explain why mages existed before the Box was actually opened, because in the future, it had already been opened and transferred to the past through recless time travel.

Pardon me, I'm just ranting about how many loopholes CoH lore tends to have.
That's not a loophole. The Furies and Pandora's box would have come from the era of Cimerora. It's the age of the greek/roman gods and they're in full swing. Imperious was blessed with power by the Gods, the Sybils are their prophets of a sort, the minotaurs and cyclopses are all over the place, and it's commonly referred to as The Cradle of Power. Cimerora is the age where all the power STARTED. It had all of this going on before Marcus and Stefan opened the box and would have even if they didn't. If anything we're riding on power from their time, as Pandora's box collected all that energy (I seem to recall reading on the site somewhere a long while back that it was actually all the creative energy of the human race for centuries) from the time it was created until it was opened.


 

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thakns for the info guys.

I'm sorta of working on a character that is a ms. liberty to his grandfather Statesman. Statesman uses Zeus the leader of the gods in greek mythology. I decided to go with Tyr who was likely the head of the gods in Europe before Odin became popular. My character grandfather was gifted with the power of Tyr (second in strength only to thor) and that power was passed onto his son and grandson. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T%C4%ABw

still a bit of a WIP but I just wanted to make sure that I was right that pandoras box opened and released some form of power.

It's either this or have the power just come from random energy from the box instead of attaching it to a god. I'm trying to get this character to have stronger ties to the mythology of the world


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Pardon me, I'm just ranting about how many loopholes CoH lore tends to have.
That's pretty much in the genre for Superheroes. As time pass, the writters always have to find something even big and more powerfull then those show in the last issue.

Namor is said to be the first mutant in Marvel, yet Selene and Apocalypse are both older then him and mutants as well.

Just like science gets "upgraded" un the real world, history and facts are upgraded in comics.


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Remember the Greek heroes of legend? That's the time when Pandora's box was opened before the most recent time (when Statesman did it).


 

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Do you have to use Pandora's Box and the Well of the Furies?

In Norse mythology there is a place called Mimisbrunnr, or Mimir's Well, located beneath the World Tree Yggdrasil where Odin sacrificed one of his eyes for great wisdom.

You could, if you wish, say that Mimir's Well and the Well of the Furies are linked to the same water source that grants divine power, only one grants the power of the Greek pantheon while the other from the Nordic pantheon; implying that Odin was the Statesman of his day.

This would, in my opinion, tie in with real world mythology while not actively going against the canon of the game.

As for the apparent loopholes in CoH lore I personally believe that the Well of the Furies and Pandora's Box are not the only sources of metahuman abilities. That is to say Pandora's Box started the heroes of Greek legend, while, for example, the Cauldron of Ceridwen, started the Arthurian era and, to use my previous example, Mimir's Well could have sourced the Norse heroes.

Of course I could be completely mistaken as, alas, I have not read the Web of Arachnos novel so could have missed some facts. If so I hereby apologise and implore you ignore this as irrelevant nonsense.