Would you slot Char for Damage?


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Char from Pyre Mastery. It's a really simple question that I'll try not to make more complicated than it needs to be.

Char is a hold, from what I see a hold first and foremost. However, what I hadn't noticed was that it did damage. Decent damage, too, about as much as Flares, which is cool. It's not efficient, it doesn't have good DPS, but I'm going to use the power and I'm going to use it a lot, so does it make sense to slot damage into it? I'm already slotting damage into Fire Cage, though that has a lot more damage to offer.

I'm asking because I don't have enough slots to go around, and doing so will require a bit of a re-evaluation of my plans, so I'd like to know in advance.


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damage/mez HOs


 

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Outside of Hamidon enhancements which I can't even use for another 5 levels, and outside of Sets, if that's possible.


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2 acc 2 hold 2 dam? nice balance there. or drop an acc and add a recharge.


 

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Drop an accuracy is easy, since I play lower level enemies and one is enough to cap against most things. Recharge also shouldn't be a problem since I picked up Hasten on a whim and I can rely on that in a pinch. I'll think about adding a second duration enhancement in there. I try not to let fights last long enough for it to come to that, though, as long as it stacks with itself.

I'm not sure damage slots in there are merited, though. On the one hand, I know I'll be using it and I know it might as well do damage, but on the other hand I'm not sure if that damage is actually worth it. The power does about as much damage as Flares, and while that isn't TOO little, the only way Flares is useful is via continuous use, e.i. firing it over and over again since it recharges so fast. Char doesn't recharge even remotely as fast, so its overall DPS contrubution is slim, and even its shock DPA isn't all that great. It's worthwhile as just a little added damage, but at the cost of so many extra slots... I don't know.

Fire Cage I ended up slotting for damage as I'll be using it while held, so it's good to have that, but by and large I have a hard time figuring out what to do with control power damage. I had the same problem on my Dom, but he's gone now, so I never got around to solving it.


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I wouldn't add damage to it unless you've reached the upper 40's and have slotted all your other powers first.

Also keep in mind that Char is damage over time. It's only 4.2 seconds, but given how little damage it deals to start with, there's bound to be somewhere else for you to put the slots that will have a bigger impact for you.


 

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A single Acc should be sufficient. Char has a base accuracy of 90% instead of the usual 75%.


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I wouldn't add damage to it unless you've reached the upper 40's and have slotted all your other powers first.

Also keep in mind that Char is damage over time. It's only 4.2 seconds, but given how little damage it deals to start with, there's bound to be somewhere else for you to put the slots that will have a bigger impact for you.
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I agree. A blaster gets a hold, should use it as a hold. I can't imagine trying to kill something with char. Quite inefficient, when you have all these other powers to click that do more damage faster.


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On my Archery/Nrg/Fire I have Char 4-slotted with 2 Devastation, one is the hold proc, and then 2 Lockdown, one is the mag proc. I think it comes out to having a 33% change to hold a boss in one shot. Not sure if that number is right, but I have one-shot held bosses with it on occasion.


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slot for acc/hold/recharge, its not a power you slot for damage at all. With the good bonuses from sets there should be no room to slot for damage reasonably for what you'll want to go for set-wise and to get the hold stats for the power.


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No


 

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IMO as far as SO/Generic IO I would go 2/2/2 Acc/Hold/Rech. if you're looking for Sets, I would suggest going with either Lockdown Full set, or 5 Ghost Widow Embrace (including Proc) and the Lockdown Proc. Unless you're Frankenslotting


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IMO as far as SO/Generic IO I would go 2/2/2 Acc/Hold/Rech. if you're looking for Sets, I would suggest going with either Lockdown Full set, or 5 Ghost Widow Embrace (including Proc) and the Lockdown Proc. Unless you're Frankenslotting
Char has a base accuracy of 90% instead of the usual 75%.

The Best SO slotting for Char would be:

1 Acc
2 Hold
2 Rech
1 End Red

This gives values of:

Acc - 124%
Hold - 25.2 seconds (base is 14.3)
Rech - 9.09 seconds (base is 16)
End Cost - 7.71 (base is 10.7)

(which is still kinda end hungry for a power you could potentially use every 10 seconds)


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