Lord Winter Spawn Camps
By
Azurakna,
Posted on: 2009-12-22 01:17 in ALL ACCESS Gameplay Technical Issues Bugs
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I bet a million influence that most, if not all, of you just laid there dead until everyone wiped hoping someone would rez you. So, once you're all dead and it's obvious no one will rez you and you can't use your Awaken right next to Lord Winter, then you all go to the hospital all at once. |
Originally Posted by Azurakna
My team went to go take on Lord Winter.
We knew that we might only be the one team and therefor face some difficulty. So for the first few minutes we sit about and try to damage Lord Winter to little avail. We just didn't have enough DPS and -regen. Then, all of a sudden, out pop at least a dozen Northern Lights and we wipe. We wipe hard. But still, not totally unexpected. Except the lights follow us to the hospital... ... And so does Lord Winter. As you may imagine, this causes considerable problems as you can't even full stand up before you're dead again... Just so you know Rednames, while this is rather hilarious, it's just as annoying. We had a 0% chance of winning this. In fact, I'd say, judging by the debt we collected, we had a negative chance of winning. I collected at least 433k debt in the space of a few minutes, but then again, I thought that dying before fully standing was hilarious, and kept hosping even though LW was standing right on top of me. |
Now, that you're all at the hospital station, the Northern Lights and Lord Winter come to you and you've created your own hospital spawn camp.
So, what to do about it?
1. When you are defeated, go immediately to the hospital and run immediately away from the hospital so you don't bring agro there. Let the other teammates keep LW's agro where he is. Even if they soon follow you to the hospital, you're now away from the hospital drawing agro away from it.
2. When you die, you have the option of going to your base as well as hospital. No one on the team had a base with a rez-ring?
3. Giant Monsters were designed to be content for more than one team. Can some single teams defeat a GM? Yes. If a single team can't defeat a GM, is that a bug or design flaw? No. In other words, there's nothing to complain about here.
If you had two full teams and you're all wiping at exactly the same time (yes, 16 simultaneous deaths) and you all simultaneously go to the field hospital which drags GM agro to it... then I'd say there was something wrong. But if you only have one team, and they all decide to wait for each other to go to the hospital at once, then, this is a strategy you should change. Not an AI problem the Devs need to fix.
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Uhm...Still not fully up to speed on the Lord Winter mini-zone bit, but...
Surely a Hospital is meant to be a safe zone?
That sounds broken to me. Very much so.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
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No, it's not a 'real' hospital. There are no police drones and it is not an enclosed area. It's just intended to keep you from having to zone twice AND/OR let you stay in the zone since the present/portal may not be around any more.
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Surely an Awaken or a teammate's rez would leave you invulnerable for 10 seconds as you toggle up or seek safety.
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Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha
Uhm...Still not fully up to speed on the Lord Winter mini-zone bit, but...
Surely a Hospital is meant to be a safe zone? That sounds broken to me. Very much so. |
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Only a few self rezzes grant 10 second immunity. Awakens sure as hell don't, and while some rezzes have a built in damage or stun element, its not enough to stop whatever stomped you the first time doing so again.
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Surely an Awaken or a teammate's rez would leave you invulnerable for 10 seconds as you toggle up or seek safety.
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Originally Posted by Zwillinger
GG, I would tell you that "I am killing you with my mind", but I couldn't find an emoticon to properly express my sentiment.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Photon
NOTE: The Incarnate System is basically farming for IOs on a larger scale, and with more obtrusive lore.
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Most do not.|
Originally Posted by Zombie Man
Surely an Awaken or a teammate's rez would leave you invulnerable for 10 seconds as you toggle up or seek safety.
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What most of them *DO* offer is protection from debt for a short duration.
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
I bet a million influence that most, if not all, of you just laid there dead until everyone wiped hoping someone would rez you. So, once you're all dead and it's obvious no one will rez you and you can't use your Awaken right next to Lord Winter, then you all go to the hospital all at once.
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No, we did not just lay there making snow angels.
People did well and hosp'd if I couldn't rez them.
But I was the main healer, and when I went down, things quickly went downhill.
Which, as I said before, was not unexpected.
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Now, that you're all at the hospital station, the Northern Lights and Lord Winter come to you and you've created your own hospital spawn camp. So, what to do about it? 1. When you are defeated, go immediately to the hospital and run immediately away from the hospital so you don't bring agro there. Let the other teammates keep LW's agro where he is. Even if they soon follow you to the hospital, you're now away from the hospital drawing agro away from it. |
And when the healer/shielder snuffs it, and the whole team ends up in the hospital, there is nobody to keep LW's aggro away from the hospital.
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| 2. When you die, you have the option of going to your base as well as hospital. No one on the team had a base with a rez-ring? |
Obviously by the time LW was spawn killing us, we knew we had no chance and rezzed more for the giggles of the situation than to honestly try and get up and away.
Like I said, I ended up with so much debt just because I found it so amusing.
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| 3. Giant Monsters were designed to be content for more than one team. Can some single teams defeat a GM? Yes. If a single team can't defeat a GM, is that a bug or design flaw? No. In other words, there's nothing to complain about here. |
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| If you had two full teams and you're all wiping at exactly the same time (yes, 16 simultaneous deaths) and you all simultaneously go to the field hospital which drags GM agro to it... then I'd say there was something wrong. But if you only have one team, and they all decide to wait for each other to go to the hospital at once, then, this is a strategy you should change. Not an AI problem the Devs need to fix. |
Just because one team had high hopes of taking on a GM?
So what if we were the only team.
In my mind, the hospital is supposed to be a safe area, where a person can gather their wits without having to worry about being stepped on by a gigantic snowman.
Am I so wrong in thinking this?
Oh, and by the way, thanks for not being overly aggressive and treating me like I had half a brain... (And just so you know, and can't read into it wrong, that last statement is dripping with passive-aggressive sarcasm.)
My team went to go take on Lord Winter.
We knew that we might only be the one team and therefor face some difficulty.
So for the first few minutes we sit about and try to damage Lord Winter to little avail. We just didn't have enough DPS and -regen.
Then, all of a sudden, out pop at least a dozen Northern Lights and we wipe.
We wipe hard.
But still, not totally unexpected.
Except the lights follow us to the hospital...
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And so does Lord Winter.
As you may imagine, this causes considerable problems as you can't even full stand up before you're dead again...
Just so you know Rednames, while this is rather hilarious, it's just as annoying.
We had a 0% chance of winning this. In fact, I'd say, judging by the debt we collected, we had a negative chance of winning.
I collected at least 433k debt in the space of a few minutes, but then again, I thought that dying before fully standing was hilarious, and kept hosping even though LW was standing right on top of me.