http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Task_Force
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Strike_Force
http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Trial
If it's signature (explained in links), it spawns at the level maximum.
If it's not, it spawns at the highest level character.
Currently, TFs/Trials ignore difficulty. Once they've got that figured out, TFs/Trials will add difficulty on top of the level.
edit: Moonfire is a nonsignature task force. It will spawn at the highest level character, not at level 28 (it's maximum level).
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OK there are two types of TF
'Signature TFs' and 'non-signature TFs'
Signature TFs (like the Freedom phalanx ones) alwasy spawn mobs at the top end of the level range (15 for Posi, 20 for Synapse etc)
Moonfire is a non-signature TF, so the level of the highest character is used to set up the TF. So 23s would be fighting level appropriate foes.
As of right now the leaders difficulty doesn't matter at all for a TF.
In addition the level of the TF is locked at the start, so as your characters level you will be exemped back down to that level.
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Also as a slightly interesting note on SSK and TFs. Characters who are below the maximum level are SK'd to the leader's true level before being exemplared down to the TF level.
For example suppose three characters of levels 12, 15 and 20 are running a Positron TF. If the level 15 character leads then the level 12 will be SK'd to him and will be level 14 (the level 20 will of course be exemped to 15 as well). If the level 20 leads however both the level 12 and the level 15 will be SK'd to level 19 before being exemped to level 15 for the TF (making the entire group level 15).
This applies even if the leaders level changes during the TF. So in the first example if the level 15 hits level 16 during the TF the level 12 will stop being level 14 and become level 15.
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What is the practical differance between the two. You've explained the technical differance, but why does it matter?
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Originally Posted by Adeon Hawkwood
Also as a slightly interesting note on SSK and TFs. Characters who are below the maximum level are SK'd to the leader's true level before being exemplared down to the TF level.
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In general it doesn't matter. However if you have a TF leader who exactly on the upper limit for the TF then anyone SK'd to him will be one level below the limit whereas a higher level leader would put everyone on the limit.|
Originally Posted by Mr_Bandwagon
What is the practical differance between the two. You've explained the technical differance, but why does it matter?
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In practice it doesn't matter to much (it just means more XP for the lower level guys) but the mechanics surprised me when I noticed it so I figured I'd point it out.
Another thing worth mentioning (which I *love*) is that characters above the level of the TF continue to earn XP (unless they are level 50, sorry). in this way, my level 49 Defender earned the last 4 bars of XP to get her to level 50 on a Citadel TF last Saturday with our regular Saturday TF group on Infinity.
I know that's really a function of SSK, but the effect on TFs was startling to me the first time it happened.
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Thank you. I stuck a note in the middle of the ParagonWiki Task Force page with a couple of these details. It sounds like my team will be just fine.
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OK there are two types of TF
'Signature TFs' and 'non-signature TFs' |
1. It's just wrong. Signature means 'named' and Moonfire or Imperious are names and have eponymous TFs just like Positron and Synapse. The name 'Signature' came about to differentiate the Freedom Phalanx TFs from the non-named respec trials, which were scalable in level. But since then, 'signature' TFs have been added that are not hard coded levels, but scalable, just like the trials.
2. The name doesn't describe the feature it supposed to refer to. 'Signature' tells one nothing about the level of the TF. Other naming conventions like "Hard Coded" and "Scalable" would be more descriptive names for the leveling mechanic of TFs.
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Had a friend hit 50 while on the Positron Task Force.
Made the half-joking challenge for him to get a character to level 10, and then get to 50 ONLY doing Positron!
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Eh, I view it the same as "freespec" it's no longer technically valid but we've been using it long enough that changing the name now would just confuse people.
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We really need to come up with a better naming convention than signature and non-signature.
1. It's just wrong. Signature means 'named' and Moonfire or Imperious are names and have eponymous TFs just like Positron and Synapse. The name 'Signature' came about to differentiate the Freedom Phalanx TFs from the non-named respec trials, which were scalable in level. But since then, 'signature' TFs have been added that are not hard coded levels, but scalable, just like the trials. 2. The name doesn't describe the feature it supposed to refer to. 'Signature' tells one nothing about the level of the TF. Other naming conventions like "Hard Coded" and "Scalable" would be more descriptive names for the leveling mechanic of TFs. |
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Made the half-joking challenge for him to get a character to level 10, and then get to 50 ONLY doing Positron! |
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hm, I think you're making up this origin story. My impression was that "signature" did not refer to "named", but referred to the task forces identified with the SIGNATURE CHARACTERS. Moonfire is a nobody. Synapse is a major character but Mynx is his sidekick so she's only a trainer. Statesman is the preeminent hero of the era but Imperious is an obscure historical figure.
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Originally Posted by Zombie Man
1. It's just wrong. Signature means 'named' and Moonfire or Imperious are names and have eponymous TFs just like Positron and Synapse. The name 'Signature' came about to differentiate the Freedom Phalanx TFs from the non-named respec trials, which were scalable in level.
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Yeah, not so much of a challenge. I don't know how many runs it would take but, since the introduction of merits I've been tracking the TF's I do with my main character, and he's done Positron 35 times.
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Had a friend hit 50 while on the Positron Task Force.
Made the half-joking challenge for him to get a character to level 10, and then get to 50 ONLY doing Positron! |
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Except KHTF is also signature and she's on pretty much the same notoriety level as Moonfire and Hess
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hm, I think you're making up this origin story. My impression was that "signature" did not refer to "named", but referred to the task forces identified with the SIGNATURE CHARACTERS. Moonfire is a nobody. Synapse is a major character but Mynx is his sidekick so she's only a trainer. Statesman is the preeminent hero of the era but Imperious is an obscure historical figure.
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That might be a artifact of people farming Katie though, and it would be the only non-TF commander TF that does so, outside of Statesman's TF, who is the bum on the front of the box.
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Lady Grey and Khan are also Signature TFs
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Originally Posted by Rajani Isa
That might be a artifact of people farming Katie though, and it would be the only non-TF commander TF that does so, outside of Statesman's TF, who is the bum on the front of the box.
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There are 7 non-Signature TFs available right now.
Moonfire, Hess, Imperious and all 4 Shard TFs
The respec trials if you want to Force them into this listing are also non-signature.
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Technically Statesman and Lady Grey are the only two characters that have eponymous task forces. The Moonfire TF is actually named "The Kheldian War" and the ITF is named "Time's Arrow". The STF is actually named "The Statesman Task Force". I don't believe it has any other name. Same with Lady Grey. | Signature means 'named' and Moonfire or Imperious are names and have eponymous TFs just like Positron and Synapse. |
I hadn't realized that Katie and Khan and the LGTF and the STF were all considered "signature" task forces in the way they spawn. Now that I know, I agree we need some other name for them. Or some other mechanic. All TF's could work that way, or none of them. Having some do that and some not seems odd to me. If they are going to keep it the way it is, then I think it would be good to have some other terminology. The word "signature" really doesn't have anything to do with either the game mechanic under discussion or the TF's that use it.
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Well, they can't all work that way, or anyone wanting to do an ITF and not need to be min-maxed to the gills and can't find at least a 46 to start it is screwed.
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Originally Posted by peterpeter
Technically Statesman and Lady Grey are the only two characters that have eponymous task forces. The Moonfire TF is actually named "The Kheldian War" and the ITF is named "Time's Arrow". The STF is actually named "The Statesman Task Force". I don't believe it has any other name. Same with Lady Grey.
I hadn't realized that Katie and Khan and the LGTF and the STF were all considered "signature" task forces in the way they spawn. Now that I know, I agree we need some other name for them. Or some other mechanic. All TF's could work that way, or none of them. Having some do that and some not seems odd to me. If they are going to keep it the way it is, then I think it would be good to have some other terminology. The word "signature" really doesn't have anything to do with either the game mechanic under discussion or the TF's that use it. |
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They keep changing the way TF's and levels work, and I don't run them often enough to keep track. What's the current deal?
Specifically, what happens if a bunch of level 23 characters run a TF (Moonfire) which goes from 23-28 or so? What level enemies will we face? How will that change as we gain levels during the TF? How do the leader's difficulty settings affect that?
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