Help me understand threat

I have been doing attempts against GM´s and something is not right.

I understand that defenders have a 0.5 threat modifier.
But.. i´m running a chain of Shriek, Scream, Challenge to establish a decent amount of threat. As soon as i plant Acid Mortar the go haywire and start running around like headless chickens.


Only behavor like this i have experienced is Req(runs away and deaggros) and Vandal as he is hard to hit in overload and starts t run away from the mortar. Even though he finds time to run up and hit me with total focus when i press challenge.

What am i doing wrong?

It's easy to send AVs/GMs running around like headless chickens. I just think that, it's a shame I am not on an all blaster team doing something similar to fear kiting.

Try testing combinations of effects by leaving different powers out so you can narrow things down. I believe you do know what all your powers do so I won't go down the road of looking into them myself.

I have no doubts that you have seen this page:

http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Threat

The thing is i have been reading up on traps corrs and mm´s but i havent seen any of them talk about this problem.
Its the mortar. they are happy to stand in the poison gas cloud but as soon as i drop a mortar and it lobs it first grenade things go bad, fast.

Its kind of like it has an afraid effect.

EDIT2: I sent a pm to castle 1 month ago but he hasnt replied yet.

If you use the mortar on its own are you getting the same thing? I'm doubtful but I haven't got a 50 "Hero" Traps yet to test it.

It was the mortar on its own when i first tested a month ago against kraken. I just tested eochai(kraken wasnt in perez) again and its eeems the combination of my sonic atttacks and mortar made him run.

I dunno anymore. I´m gonna see if i can fit a GM into the Chumbucket.

Acid Mortar does have a pretty strong scatter/afraid component, but on my Corr/MM that's usually solved by a heavily slotted Provoke (or with an immobilize against AVs)

-10000.00% taunt on self Ignores buffs and enhancements unresistable -200.00% threat level on self Ignores buffs and enhancements unresistable

I got this detail from Acid Mortar. I am testing right now for a no run effect.

I think its a bit sensible that the NPCs move from it. It's an aoe debuff. It's like the NPC says "I am a target of a debuff AoE, so I best stay away and/or clear of my friends".

I´m in the other camp that GM´s should stop being wusses and running around SQUEEEK SQUEEK. Seriously i hit Deathsurge with boxing on my brute and he started running towards a drone.

I could agree with GMs, they don't have to behave like puny NPCs, especially if they have no buddies anyway.

I think its AI or it could be AI. I like it. Watching a GM run when you are trying to solo it may well be a pita and conceptually a ?. A GM should look at TRTs Mortar and laugh at its weak debuffs as one person attacks it. In teams it's unlikely to happen as someones presence would keep the GM there. I'll find one and test it.

Numbers are nice and everything and I'm sure you must be very good with theory, but in practice Acid Mortar has a pretty strong scatter component. Wether it be a result of directly applying the afraid effect OR scattering indirectly through DoTs and debuffs is irrelevant, the end result is still the same.

Anyways like I said before, with a well slotted Provoke you should be able to keep them from running away.

Thanks for the advice Silverado. Slotted more taunt and tested against the de granite monster and the grass monster and it seems to be wrking,

You're welcome.