Bots / Dark or Bots / Pain


Bookkeeper_Jay

 

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Which would be better for general PvE soloing?


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Probably /Dark. Prot bots give +Defence, so -To Hit on foes is nice synergy, and Bots tend to clump enough that Twilight Grasp's heal can hit whatever the Prot bots don't.

Plus Tar Patch with the Assault bot's missiles and burn patches is invaluable. Pain has nothing to compare.


 

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As far as I'm concerned, there's no "probably" to it. Dark, dark, dark, a million times Dark. For MMing, Fearsome Stare and Tar Patch are far superior to anything in /PD. Actually Darkest Night is better than anything in /PD too, especially in the context of solo MM play.

I'm not a /PD hater, for the record, nor a /DM lover. That's just my assessment after having taken one of each of these MMs to 50.


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Do you want to be a massive debuffer or do you wanna "spam teh healz"?

Both will make you nearly invincible in most situations depending upon how you use them, it's just dark will give you a higher damage output against hardy enemies.


 

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Originally Posted by Deacon_NA View Post
As far as I'm concerned, there's no "probably" to it. Dark, dark, dark, a million times Dark. For MMing, Fearsome Stare and Tar Patch are far superior to anything in /PD. Actually Darkest Night is better than anything in /PD too, especially in the context of solo MM play.

I'm not a /PD hater, for the record, nor a /DM lover. That's just my assessment after having taken one of each of these MMs to 50.

World of Pain > Darkest Night


 

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Originally Posted by Bookkeeper_Jay View Post
World of Pain > Darkest Night
That's certainly debatable. WoP maxed for +Res gives 17.8% buff. 7.5% to-hit and 12% damage. Nice.

DN has a -22.5% DMG debuff and -11.3% (unenhanced) ToHit debuff. How you choose to rank those two powers, I really don't care. The main point I was making is that you have to go deep into Dark Miasma to find something comparable to Pain Dom's best power.


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Originally Posted by Deacon_NA View Post
As far as I'm concerned, there's no "probably" to it. Dark, dark, dark, a million times Dark. For MMing, Fearsome Stare and Tar Patch are far superior to anything in /PD. Actually Darkest Night is better than anything in /PD too, especially in the context of solo MM play.

I'm not a /PD hater, for the record, nor a /DM lover. That's just my assessment after having taken one of each of these MMs to 50.
I guess I will call myself the prophet of howling twilight, but it's really a STUNNER when it comes to eating alphas, and it has the lovely debuff of speed and regeneration. Oh, it heals your teammates, too. Don't leave Mercy Island without it.


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I have a Ninja/Dark MM and love Dark...major debuffs and all sorts of fun.

I've almost got my Bots/Dark MM to 50...lingering at 46 right now...

I hate all of the Knockback, but those little toasters sure do pack a punch.

I've tinkered with /Pain, and love the healing and regen, but I really like handicapping the baddies more with Dark...especially since I can heal my local buddies.

Howling Twilight is great for Rikti Mothership Raids, but I don't use it much on 8 player teams.

My preference is dark, but I'm not going to argue that it's better than pain...it just fits my play style a little better.

Good luck out there.


 

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Originally Posted by Deacon_NA View Post
That's certainly debatable. WoP maxed for +Res gives 17.8% buff. 7.5% to-hit and 12% damage. Nice.

DN has a -22.5% DMG debuff and -11.3% (unenhanced) ToHit debuff. How you choose to rank those two powers, I really don't care. The main point I was making is that you have to go deep into Dark Miasma to find something comparable to Pain Dom's best power.

My World of Pain gives 18.37% with mix N' match among resistance sets.

But I do agree each set is unique frome ach other in their roles they provide. In some situations Dark is better, in others Pain Domination outshines Dark. It's all situational.


 

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Originally Posted by Nem74 View Post
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Howling Twilight is great for Rikti Mothership Raids, but I don't use it much on 8 player teams.

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Good luck out there.
[threadjack] Why don't you use it on 8 player teams? The opportunity to stun, slow, and debuff regen is still there with bosses and such. It's a great alpha buster. [/threadjack]

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HelinCarnate:OMG it is so terrible. I have the option to take 3 more powers but no additional slots. Boo F'ing hoo.