Better than Willpower's, about the same as Fire's, a little bit behind Invuln and Stone, and behind Ice Armor and Dark (since they have multiple).
It's about on par with all of the pure damage Taunt Auras, like Blazing Aura and Icicles.
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I had it running on my electric/ice tanker while fighting Babbage during the Synapse TF. It, combined with my tanker's other attacks, could not pull the aggro from the scrapper fighting beside him. But I think the scrapper had a taunt slotted in an attack or something, and I did not yet have a taunt enhancement slotted in Lightning Field.
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Did you or the Scrapper start attacking first?
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Originally Posted by Flarstux
I had it running on my electric/ice tanker while fighting Babbage during the Synapse TF. It, combined with my tanker's other attacks, could not pull the aggro from the scrapper fighting beside him. But I think the scrapper had a taunt slotted in an attack or something, and I did not yet have a taunt enhancement slotted in Lightning Field.
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I'm trying to compare my WP/SS to my Elec/Dark for holding agro.
My WP/SS uses RttC, Footstomp, Taunt and Gaunlet to hold agro.
My Elec/Dark will only be using Lightning Field, Taunt and Gaunlet (my only AoE attack being Lightning Field).
Which one would hold agro easier?
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I don't remember for sure, and can't tell from the screenshots, but I think I did. The scrapper was BS/SD.
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Originally Posted by Aett_Thorn
Did you or the Scrapper start attacking first?
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First off, why aren't you taking Soul Drain or Dark Consumption on your Elec/Dark Tanker? Both of those are good powers to have. And at least take Soul Drain, if you don't feel like you need Dark Consumption to help with Endurance. The AoE effect, plus the damage boost on it, will help hold aggro, too.|
Originally Posted by Vitality
I'm trying to compare my WP/SS to my Elec/Dark for holding agro.
My WP/SS uses RttC, Footstomp, Taunt and Gaunlet to hold agro. My Elec/Dark will only be using Lightning Field, Taunt and Gaunlet (my only AoE attack being Lightning Field). Which one would hold agro easier? |
WP/ has a very weak Taunt Aura, such that anything that you wander away from for more than a second or two is likely to forget about you. Elec/'s is much longer lasting (13.5 seconds at level 50 compared to WP's 1.25 seconds), and does damage, which does help to keep aggro.
Foot Stomp is a great way to get aggro, for sure, but Lightning Field is a continuous power, and as such should hold aggro a bit better.
As such, Id say that your Elec/ Tanker will hold aggro better, but why not take your /Dark AoEs?
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The Scrapper might just have been pumping out so much more damage than you that he stole aggro. What levels were the two of you? What attacks did you have? There's a lot more to getting aggro than just letting the aggro aura work.|
Originally Posted by Flarstux
I don't remember for sure, and can't tell from the screenshots, but I think I did. The scrapper was BS/SD.
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Remember that the Threat formula is this:
Threat = Damage * DebuffMod * AI Mod * RangeMod * AT Mod * (TauntDurationRemaing * 1,000)
So, if the BS/SD Scrapper is putting out more damage, and you're a lower level Tanker (your Taunt effects, except Taunt, have a scaling duration on them as you level), then it might have been easier for the Scrapper to steal the aggro.
If the Scrapper went in first, this would make even more sense, though, as, from Castle, you need to have twice as much Threat as the current target in order to steal aggro from them.
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Well I can't really fit them in to begin with.|
Originally Posted by Aett_Thorn
First off, why aren't you taking Soul Drain or Dark Consumption on your Elec/Dark Tanker? Both of those are good powers to have. And at least take Soul Drain, if you don't feel like you need Dark Consumption to help with Endurance. The AoE effect, plus the damage boost on it, will help hold aggro, too.
WP/ has a very weak Taunt Aura, such that anything that you wander away from for more than a second or two is likely to forget about you. Elec/'s is much longer lasting (13.5 seconds at level 50 compared to WP's 1.25 seconds), and does damage, which does help to keep aggro. Foot Stomp is a great way to get aggro, for sure, but Lightning Field is a continuous power, and as such should hold aggro a bit better. As such, Id say that your Elec/ Tanker will hold aggro better, but why not take your /Dark AoEs? |
I don't need Dark Consumption for endurance issues.
I don't care as much for damage on Tankers...the only build up type power I ever take with a Tank is Rage.
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Not sure of the scrapper's level, it very well could have been much higher. My tanker went from level 16 to level 21 on that TF (and it was the weekend before the double xp weekend). My attacks were Frozen Fists, Frost, Ghost Slaying Axe, Brawl, and the Nemi Staff. I had LF slotted for damage, with maybe one end mod - I don't remember.|
Originally Posted by Aett_Thorn
The Scrapper might just have been pumping out so much more damage than you that he stole aggro. What levels were the two of you? What attacks did you have? There's a lot more to getting aggro than just letting the aggro aura work.
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Originally Posted by Aett_Thorn
The Scrapper might just have been pumping out so much more damage than you that he stole aggro. What levels were the two of you? What attacks did you have? There's a lot more to getting aggro than just letting the aggro aura work.
Remember that the Threat formula is this: Threat = Damage * DebuffMod * AI Mod * RangeMod * AT Mod * (TauntDurationRemaing * 1,000) So, if the BS/SD Scrapper is putting out more damage, and you're a lower level Tanker (your Taunt effects, except Taunt, have a scaling duration on them as you level), then it might have been easier for the Scrapper to steal the aggro. If the Scrapper went in first, this would make even more sense, though, as, from Castle, you need to have twice as much Threat as the current target in order to steal aggro from them. |
Don't forget AAO for Scrapper Shield Defense is also a mag 3 taunt aura(at least according to City of Data) and probably had a great deal (possibly the primary reason) for the Scrapper holding the aggro over the tank.
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Originally Posted by PapaSlade
Rangle's right....this is fun.
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Ummm...okay. For tankers, it's mag 4, like most of the other Taunt auras. Though, it does seem to have a longer Taunt duration than most taunt auras (minus Invincibility), so that could have had something to do with it.
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Originally Posted by Rangle M. Down
Don't forget AAO for Scrapper Shield Defense is also a mag 3 taunt aura(at least according to City of Data) and probably had a great deal (possibly the primary reason) for the Scrapper holding the aggro over the tank.
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Originally Posted by Aett_Thorn
Ummm...okay. For tankers, it's mag 4, like most of the other Taunt auras. Though, it does seem to have a longer Taunt duration than most taunt auras (minus Invincibility), so that could have had something to do with it.
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Maybe I stated it wrong. I suspect that the AAO taunt aura put the scrapper over the proverbial aggro bar on top of the other threat level adjustments. Since the taunt aura hadn't been mentioned in the conversation yet, I just wanted to add that into the mix as to possibly why the scrapper kept aggro.
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Originally Posted by PapaSlade
Rangle's right....this is fun.
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I can't do as much verifying as I normally do (posting from my iPhone), but I believe that AAO is one of the most powerful taunt auras in the game (beaten only by Chilling Embrace). Consider that AAO has a 1s pulse time (vs EF's 2s), longer duration of ~16.875s (vs EF's 13.5s), and has a dmg debuff as well. Couple that with the fact that the Scrapper inherently does more damage than Tanks and it is very easy for me to see a Shield Scrapper out threat a Tank. Heck, I knew something was wrong with the dev's old explanation of how threat worked because my Invuln Scrapper would routinely out threat Invuln Tanks who didn't Taunt, and that's with both charaters having the same aura.
If you want to hold aggro on AVs over a Scrapper with a Taunt aura, you pretty much have to take Taunt and use it liberally. (If the Scrapper starts attacking first, or somehow steals aggro from you, keep in mind it may take more than one Taunt to regain aggro.) Personally, since playing a WP Tank with a 5 slotted Taunt, I don't think that I could play without it so well slotted anymore - even with a better aura. Taunt aura Scrappers are nowhere near as rare as they used to be (not to mention teaming with Brutes) and being able to routinely hold aggro over them is invaluable.
[edit: Oh, and when I was playing my Invuln Scrapper I would steal aggro mod fight, even if the Tank initiated combat. If they didn't Taunt, I would just build more threat over time than a Tank could.]
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How much Acc in LF had you as well? It's not a strong magnet aura and due to much notes being on an old dead computer I'd just say that in a virtual sense especially some Scrappers can easily achieve what you saw but they can't slot an attack for taunt.
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Originally Posted by Flarstux
I had it running on my electric/ice tanker while fighting Babbage during the Synapse TF. It, combined with my tanker's other attacks, could not pull the aggro from the scrapper fighting beside him. But I think the scrapper had a taunt slotted in an attack or something, and I did not yet have a taunt enhancement slotted in Lightning Field.
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It would have been one Dual Origin Accuracy enhancement. I believe at the time I had 1 acc, 2 damage, and an end reduction. I don't remember if I'd put an end mod there yet. Some or all of them may have been out-leveled at that point. |
Originally Posted by New Dawn
How much Acc in LF had you as well?
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I'm pretty sure we were all at level '20' - it was during a Synapse TF - if that makes any difference.
How does Lightning Field compare to other Tanker taunt auras?