As the devs learned when they did the fifth power addition - outright *replacing* powers is VERY unpopular. Adding to works.
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Out of what game excatly? Doms are very powerful both in pve and pvp. |
Originally Posted by Tokyo
I would really like to see a patron similar to hoarfrost for Doms. Doms currently have no other option for a self heal other than taking med or hibernating, which puts them out of the game. If Doms are the Blasters of villainside, they could really use a patron power similar to hoarfrost. The patron pool most suitable for a hoarfrost like patron power would most likely be Leviathan. Replacing Bile SPray with Hoarfrost or perhaps the pet would be perfect.
Would this be too broken or would it be appropriate? |
And lots of people like both the pet and bile spray so i'm gonna have to not agree with this.Just leave doms how they are they just got a big damage buff outside of domination.
First, I am going to say that yes, a self heal might be a nice thing to make available for doms..
However you just struck on minor nerve with me in your post:
Dominators are not the "blaster" of villain side.
Just like Brutes are not the "tank", and corruptors aren't the "Defender"
There are not direct side comparisons.
Dominators are Dominators, they hover somewhere between a blaster, controller and scrapper.
Every class has a role which they play in the game. There is some bleed over between these classes, both on opposite sides, and the same. But you really can't clear cut say "X is the Y of *side*"
Blaster = raw ranged damage
Brute = melee damage and agro control (w/ soak on a few builds)
controller = mez and party support
corruptor = ranged damage and party support
Defeder = party support and light ranged damage
Dominator = mez and damage
Mastermind = Pets* and support. (*Depending on how they play: damage, agro control, or raw soak)
Scrapper = raw melee damage (w/ agro control on certain builds)
Stalker = Obscene melee damage against one foe.
Tank = Agro control, soak and damage
.... sorry like I said, that's a peeve of mine 
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Considering who the OP is, he is correct in that Doms are the redside Blasters, because with the change to the way mezzes work in PvP that's essentially the case. In terms of PvE that's a different story, except in the Corruptor/Defender comparison - in both PvE and PvP, Corruptors are superior to Defenders in nearly every aspect.
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Originally Posted by ToySoldierZolgar
First, I am going to say that yes, a self heal might be a nice thing to make available for doms..
However you just struck on minor nerve with me in your post: Dominators are not the "blaster" of villain side. Just like Brutes are not the "tank", and corruptors aren't the "Defender" There are not direct side comparisons. Dominators are Dominators, they hover somewhere between a blaster, controller and scrapper. Every class has a role which they play in the game. There is some bleed over between these classes, both on opposite sides, and the same. But you really can't clear cut say "X is the Y of *side*" Blaster = raw ranged damage Brute = melee damage and agro control (w/ soak on a few builds) controller = mez and party support corruptor = ranged damage and party support Defeder = party support and light ranged damage Dominator = mez and damage Mastermind = Pets* and support. (*Depending on how they play: damage, agro control, or raw soak) Scrapper = raw melee damage (w/ agro control on certain builds) Stalker = Obscene melee damage against one foe. Tank = Agro control, soak and damage .... sorry like I said, that's a peeve of mine |
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Originally Posted by macskull
Considering who the OP is, he is correct in that Doms are the redside Blasters, because with the change to the way mezzes work in PvP that's essentially the case. In terms of PvE that's a different story, except in the Corruptor/Defender comparison - in both PvE and PvP, Corruptors are superior to Defenders in nearly every aspect.
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Dominators are Dominators, not Blasters.
If you want to play a blaster, play a damn Blaster. >.>
The line that would have prevented the OP from being blatantly wrong is:
"Since Dominators have a very similar role to Blasters in PvP..."
... I'm ignoring the defender/corruptor thing, since it is not really related to anything that has been brought up, and will derail the thread further >.>
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... which is who?|
Originally Posted by macskull
Considering who the OP is,.
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I'm not being snarky by asking that, but you say this as though everyone should know. With this statement coming from you, I can make the assumption he's a "name" in the PVP community. But with the OP's post just sitting there, I have no idea. (Yes, making the assumption of "he" as well, I know.) And no, I have no expectation anyone would know who I am, either
Are they saying this based on PVP experience? Solely or primarily from a PVP point of view? I have nothing to base their statement on.
However, I do stand by what I said about replacement vs adding. Find somewhere adding to makes sense and it'd be good, instead of replacing which will cause arguments.
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No, the suggestion was not made solely from a PvP point of view, although I did have PvP in mind. While Dominators may not play the same role in PvP as in PvE I still believe PvE Dominators are very similar to blasters in that they are "Glass canons." |
Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
... which is who?
I'm not being snarky by asking that, but you say this as though everyone should know. With this statement coming from you, I can make the assumption he's a "name" in the PVP community. But with the OP's post just sitting there, I have no idea. (Yes, making the assumption of "he" as well, I know.) And no, I have no expectation anyone would know who I am, either Are they saying this based on PVP experience? Solely or primarily from a PVP point of view? I have nothing to base their statement on. However, I do stand by what I said about replacement vs adding. Find somewhere adding to makes sense and it'd be good, instead of replacing which will cause arguments. |
And while some might be irritated with the comparison drawn between the two ATs, I feel the comparison is fairly attributed and to keep in mind the Devs themselves have made such comparisons (Tanks and MMs for instance).
With that said, no I'm not a "name" in the PvP community, by any stretch. I do however like to read the threads and dull out ideas no matter how bad they might be.
I completely agree with the idea of not replacing existing powers. But I still feel Dominators could use a patron power similar to hoarfrost as another means of mitigating damage and keeping themselves alive and "in play" without having to resort to hibernating which can take them out of play for a significant length of time.
Totally like to read other peoples constructive feelings and criticisms towards the idea.
I would really like to see a patron similar to hoarfrost for Doms. Doms currently have no other option for a self heal other than taking med or hibernating, which puts them out of the game. If Doms are the Blasters of villainside, they could really use a patron power similar to hoarfrost. The patron pool most suitable for a hoarfrost like patron power would most likely be Leviathan. Replacing Bile SPray with Hoarfrost or perhaps the pet would be perfect.
Would this be too broken or would it be appropriate?