Well you need 8 people to start the SF. It is not that hard to find people to join and quit sometimes...so people might say it is hard some might not YMMV. Now can a team of 6 beat it sure but I will always say it depends on the players. If noone know what they are doing(ie can't play their toon) then it is going to be hard. To me it is not that hard of a SF but to others they said it is too hard again YMMV.
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A lot of players want this but Castle said that they will not do this because it is more of a warning for new plays.
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Originally Posted by BizarroJ
no minimum size for TFs/SFs!
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As long as there is a clear warning (e.g. this TF might be very difficult without X players), I don't see any disadvantage.
If you're going to try with 6 and one isn't a Mind/* dominator with permadom, I suggest doing this ASAP to take advantage of the -1 setting and get an idea of how to complete it.
I'd tend to say that a 6 man team would just lose outright on the last mission thanks to AV-level auto-hit debuffs.
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I would love to see the minimum sizes removed I just don't think it will happen...but one can hope.
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The warning without a limit precedent has already been set. You can solo the SFs/TFs in Obo (non-crystal arcs) although they do give you a warning that they are hard and would be easier on a team. Just saying.
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My friend and I are working on duoing this, no temps, standard difficulty settings. (We're setting the last mission to +3 so that they spawn as 53s).
The Task Force is VERY hard. Probably the most difficult single team content in the game. A quick measuring stick for you and your friends may be the Ourobors Mender Silos Strike Force. If you can't handle that one with the smaller amount you'd have no chance at the Lord Recluse Strike Force.
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I see his point, but it would be nice if the game was more flexible. There are other ways to tell new players that something should be done with X players that doesn't involve messing with other people. Right now it's totally possible to do any TF with just one person. It just requires extra steps. Extra steps that really shouldn't be necessary.|
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I would love to see the minimum sizes removed I just don't think it will happen...but one can hope. |
The number should still exist. There should just be a popup that has to be acknowledged that says "This TF may not be possible with less than X people." And not just text in the window, I mean an actual popup so that people pay attention to it. If that's not enough to deter newbies, that's not the devs' fault.
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Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.
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Er.. who's the one person who can solo the last fight of LRSF?
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Right now it's totally possible to do any TF with just one person.
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I didn't mean to imply you could complete them all solo, just that nothing is stopping anyone from trying.
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Er.. who's the one person who can solo the last fight of LRSF?
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Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.
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There is minimum size to start for every TF, but as soon as TF started, there is "Hard" minimum limit of 2 people to keep TF from autodisbanding (1 person can be logged off, so you can essentialy solo TF, spawned for 2)
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Originally Posted by BizarroJ
Is the 8-person minimum a hard limit for the Lord Recluse Strike Force? I ask because I play with a group of friends that's rarely more than 6 online, but we think it'd be fun to try the LRSF with fewer than 8 people. If it is a hard limit, anyone have a feel how easy/hard it is to get a couple people just to help you create the TF then quit, which I assume works?
BTW if 8 people is a hard limit, let this be a feature request: no minimum size for TFs/SFs! You can always form and then have some people quit, so it's not like there's a hard prohibition against running a TF/SF with fewer than the "required" number of people, so why put in artificial barriers to challenging yourself (esp. when a theme of I16 seemed to be removing several such barriers!). |
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Can't remember the post, but one gent did it using a mind/psi permadom. He did much of it via temps/confuses, though. I believe it took him six hours or so.
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Er.. who's the one person who can solo the last fight of LRSF?
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Except those are only story arcs. They are NOT task forces / strike forces. For one thing, the AV's will scale down to EB's.
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Originally Posted by enderbean
The warning without a limit precedent has already been set. You can solo the SFs/TFs in Obo (non-crystal arcs) although they do give you a warning that they are hard and would be easier on a team. Just saying.
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Can't remember the post, but one gent did it using a mind/psi permadom. He did much of it via temps/confuses, though. I believe it took him six hours or so.
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yep, 6:34. was tedious
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Any documentation anywhere on how to do it, or video of the process? Sounds like you basically permasleep 'em and Mesmerize them to death one at a time.
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Except those are only story arcs. They are NOT task forces / strike forces. For one thing, the AV's will scale down to EB's.
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Are you trying to say that they behave more like story arcs than "signature" TFs/SFs? If that's where you were going, then I think I follow you.
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They're called task forces, but they don't give the same rewards, and the AVs will scale down.
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Are you referring to the three Ouroboros TFs/SFs, Ironblade? When you say "They are NOT task forces / strike forces" you confuse me, because they are CALLED TFs and SFs within the game (i.e., "Mender Silos Task Force").
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Dispari has more than enough credability, and certainly doesn't need to borrow any from you.
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They're called task forces, but they don't give the same rewards, and the AVs will scale down.
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And in any case, they are called "Task Forces" and "Strike Forces", so that's what they are as far as I'm concerned. (The thing that's most telling, IMO, is the fact that they can actually be soloed (unlike "signature" TFs which have a minimum team size of 2), so that and the AV scaling really sets them apart, so I think I see where you guys are coming from.)
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Just a bump here - can anyone point me in the direction of the person who soloed the 8 heros at the end of LRSF?
I've got a 50 Mind/Psi dom, and I figure it I do this I can finally say I beat CoX.
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Feel free to PM me any questions you have. The general strategy is to have a huge amount of recharge so that you can keep an AV perma-confused. This allows you to have them kill eachother. There are a lot of difficulties you will encounter, and I highly recommend getting shivs/nukes beforehand (I had to use both). Kronos in particular is a pain due to the huge psi resistance.
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Just a bump here - can anyone point me in the direction of the person who soloed the 8 heros at the end of LRSF?
I've got a 50 Mind/Psi dom, and I figure it I do this I can finally say I beat CoX. |
Is the 8-person minimum a hard limit for the Lord Recluse Strike Force? I ask because I play with a group of friends that's rarely more than 6 online, but we think it'd be fun to try the LRSF with fewer than 8 people. If it is a hard limit, anyone have a feel how easy/hard it is to get a couple people just to help you create the TF then quit, which I assume works?
BTW if 8 people is a hard limit, let this be a feature request: no minimum size for TFs/SFs! You can always form and then have some people quit, so it's not like there's a hard prohibition against running a TF/SF with fewer than the "required" number of people, so why put in artificial barriers to challenging yourself (esp. when a theme of I16 seemed to be removing several such barriers!).