Well I have done this but it took me like about 100 times before I did it. To me it was more luck then a Challenge...I know Nihilii has done it too.
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I guess I'm going for more of a contrast of the RWZ challenge and pylon soloing, where as you see how long it takes you to defeat the pylon, see how long it takes you to be defeated.
I guess you could call this the russian reversal scrapper rwz challenge 
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Originally Posted by Santorican
I guess I'm going for more of a contrast of the RWZ challenge and pylon soloing, where as you see how long it takes you to defeat the pylon, see how long it takes you to be defeated.
I guess you could call this the russian reversal scrapper rwz challenge |
Maybe a different name to differentiate, like "RWZ Pylon Plus Challenge?"
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Yeah, this has been talked about in this forum a number of times before.
It's a lot harder than the standard RWZ Challenge, for sure. My BS/SD scrapper has attempted it a few times without success. I imagine my Katana/WP scrapper will do better once I wrangle the last few purples into his build.
My DM/EA brute, on the other hand, does it reliably every time, and doesn't even come close to dying.
It's definitely a stress test that's a notch or two higher in intensity.
Okay, do it on an SR with nothing but proc'd out Brawl
(I'm actually going to try it when I get my Elec/SR high enough, and softcapped)
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Originally Posted by Eldorado
In a "Een Soviet Russia, comrade, ze pylon pounds on YOU!" kinda way?
Maybe a different name to differentiate, like "RWZ Pylon Plus Challenge?" |
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What if I just accidentally happen to spam shockwave on the Pylon and it manages to keep knocking the 54s away from me. That's not breaking the rules right... it's just an AoE. I have the Pylon targeted-I'M NOT CHEATING... okay I am. I ended up using shockwave on the normal RWZ challenge.
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As others said, talked about and beaten many times. I've never beaten it myself, but my Dark Melee/Super Reflexes did have the pylon down to about 1/4 health on his best run (out of probably a dozen runs). I think it's a good test, and DPS plays more of a role, which is nice.
It's particularly annoying on sets without an aggro aura, as I've so far only found a single place where the enemies are close enough to the pylon to stay on me instead of losing aggro. So when I was seriously trying this, it was mostly an extremely boring waiting game punctuated by short bursts of activity and a trip back from the hospital.
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Just done this on my BS/Regen and I think it's a slightly more efficient stress test than the RWZ Challenge due to the higher amount of damage coming in. Especially including the variety of Swarm Missile (Rikti Plyon's attack) as it's a ranged/lethal power with decent KB.
Not quite clear on wether you're suppose to just have three bosses or an entire group of lvl 54's which contain three bosses, though.
Seems like a good middle ground between the rwz challenge and arcana's challenge
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I'd say a full Rikti War Zone Challenge spawn, so a group of 54s with three bosses in it.
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Not quite clear on wether you're suppose to just have three bosses or an entire group of lvl 54's which contain three bosses, though.
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Did take my Claws/SR for a spin on this.
No Dice
Aidself just kills it off. 10 minutes and the pylon is still at 75%.
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I did mention that it had to contain 3 Rikti Soldiers I guess I should have said Chief Soldiers.
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Originally Posted by BlazingBlue
Just done this on my BS/Regen and I think it's a slightly more efficient stress test than the RWZ Challenge due to the higher amount of damage coming in. Especially including the variety of Swarm Missile (Rikti Plyon's attack) as it's a ranged/lethal power with decent KB.
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So, there's no way I'd ever be able to do this on my Claws/DA Scrapper. The Energy hole is just too readily apparent. Even the vanilla RWZ Challenge, it looks like I'll be able to do on my 9 or 10th attempt but I wish it wasn't so stacked against Dark Armour, whereas an /Elec Scrapper might even be able to do it on just SOs (Ok, a bit of an exagerration.).
Any other ways to test my build that don't include copious amount of energy damage? Haha.
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I'll have to give it a try on my Katana/Dark once I have him leveled up (currently 40) and IO'd out (just started bidding). I think he'll have the survivability to last forever despite the energy hole, which is good, since he'll only do 150 DPS.
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Originally Posted by BlackBellatrix
So, there's no way I'd ever be able to do this on my Claws/DA Scrapper. The Energy hole is just too readily apparent. Even the vanilla RWZ Challenge, it looks like I'll be able to do on my 9 or 10th attempt but I wish it wasn't so stacked against Dark Armour, whereas an /Elec Scrapper might even be able to do it on just SOs (Ok, a bit of an exagerration.).
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Yeah, I'm wishing I had originally rolled Katana/Dark to pick up DA. The layered mitigation is the best. My build is not 100% complete, due to lack of funds, so I only have around 30% melee defense with less thant 20% Ranged/AoE.
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I'll have to give it a try on my Katana/Dark once I have him leveled up (currently 40) and IO'd out (just started bidding). I think he'll have the survivability to last forever despite the energy hole, which is good, since he'll only do 150 DPS.
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Originally Posted by BlackBellatrix
So, there's no way I'd ever be able to do this on my Claws/DA Scrapper. The Energy hole is just too readily apparent. Even the vanilla RWZ Challenge, it looks like I'll be able to do on my 9 or 10th attempt but I wish it wasn't so stacked against Dark Armour, whereas an /Elec Scrapper might even be able to do it on just SOs (Ok, a bit of an exagerration.).
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My BS/DA pulled it off (regular RWZ Challenge) on his first serious attempt after finishing his build. Probably harder on a Claws/DA though, not sure if it's possible to softcap one of those.
My ranged defense is softcapped, my AoE is at about 35%, and I am beyond softcapped to melee with 2 applications of Parry, which I can keep up consistently.
I have yet to try the Pylon/Spawn challenge with him, I'll let you know how it goes.
Edit: Do Pylons debuff defense?
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I didn't say it was impossible on a Claws/DA but, especially upon adding a Pylon there, you're playing against its weaknesses. I will be able to do it on my Claws/DA once my build is complete and my recharge and defense are both slightly better. I bet I could do it now if I tried enough times.|
Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
It's not stacked against DA at all.
My BS/DA pulled it off (regular RWZ Challenge) on his first serious attempt after finishing his build. Probably harder on a Claws/DA though, not sure if it's possible to softcap one of those. My ranged defense is softcapped, my AoE is at about 35%, and I am beyond softcapped to melee with 2 applications of Parry, which I can keep up consistently. I have yet to try the Pylon/Spawn challenge with him, I'll let you know how it goes. Edit: Do Pylons debuff defense? |
However, with no built in -KB and one KB IO not being enough to stop the KD of a Pylon, I'd have to add in another one or two of those. As well, I can't ignore slotting for melee bonuses in lieu of Ranged/AoE because I have Divine Avalanche or Parry to make up for the weakness in Melee. Now, I'm experimenting with a build that will soft-cap S/L and E/N as a second build and might actually use that as my second build.
I don't believe Pylons debuff defense.
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However, with no built in -KB and one KB IO not being enough to stop the KD of a Pylon, I'd have to add in another one or two of those.
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8 pts KB prot is not enough.
On my Fire/ tank had to put 3x 4pts KB prot ( 12 pts KB prot in total ) before I could stand toe-to-toe and take out Pylon with Burn etc. (couldn't pull it with Hover before ofc)
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If you built your scrappers exclusively for this challenge, maybe try */Fire armor on your next scrapper.
Burn is very strong against pylons since they can't flee (not sure if Burn can crit but I think it "should" since it's nerfed so much in all other aspects but then it's a pseudo pet so maybe no crit).
Probably DM/Fire for double heals and to-hit debuffs if you build for defense. But /Fire for sure if you want to do it very fast.
DM/ has a immob move too so Burn may even work for you on mobs who normally flee (get Darkness epic too for tentacles to help make Burn better).
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Figured I'd try and come up with a new Scrapper RWZ Challenge. The purpose isn't really to out right win but rather see how long you can survive but if you do happen to get to defeat the Pylon before you are whacked then you are a bamf.
Stipulations
-Grab a group of L54 Rikti with 3 Rikti Chief Soldiers Bosses
-Tow them to a Pylon and start whacking away at the Pylon
-Try to defeat the Pylon before you die
-Defeat group AFTER you've defeated the Pylon
Rules: Can't use inspirations, temporary powers, outside buffs from teammates, other heroes/villians.
Sound like a challenge or what? Any improvements?
Edit: Specifically Chief Soldiers because I find that they do more damage then Chief Mentalists.
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