Define Survivable and Gimped and I'll give it a go.
Well, near soft capped positional defenses, if possible, would be nice, but I want to do respectable damage for a brute.
EDIT: I guess since it's a resistance based AT, the best bet would probably be resistance cap, right? I really don't know too much about IO'ing builds, I'm still learning! I just want something that can survive and do a lot of damage.
"Iron defenses and a crappy attitude do not, a tanker, make."
Proud Leader and founder of The Gangbusters Super Group and The Madhouse Villain Group: Ask me about becoming a member!
Quote:
Not sure how to do that nothing to work with on a resistance-based build|
Originally Posted by Flarecrow
Well, near soft capped positional defenses, if possible, would be nice,
|
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by Flarecrow
but I want to do respectable damage for a brute.
|
Here is the build I'm trying:
Villain Plan by Mids' Villain Designer 1.401
http://www.cohplanner.com/
Click this DataLink to open the build!
Electric Labrat: Level 50 Magic Brute
Primary Power Set: Electrical Melee
Secondary Power Set: Electric Armor
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Speed
Ancillary Pool: Mu Mastery
Villain Profile:
Level 1: Charged Brawl -- F'dSmite-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg:40(A), F'dSmite-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:40(3), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:40(11), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:40(17), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(42)
Level 1: Charged Armor -- ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx:40(A), ImpArm-ResDam/Rchg:40(5), ImpArm-EndRdx/Rchg:40(11), ImpArm-ResDam:40(19)
Level 2: Havoc Punch -- F'dSmite-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg:40(A), F'dSmite-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:40(3), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:40(7), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:40(17), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(43)
Level 4: Jacobs Ladder -- Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(A), Oblit-Dmg:50(5), Oblit-Acc/Rchg:50(7), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(13), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg:50(15), EndRdx-I:50(40)
Level 6: Swift -- Run(A)
Level 8: Thunder Strike -- Oblit-Dmg:50(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg:50(9), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg:50(9), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(13), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(15), EndRdx-I:50(23)
Level 10: Static Shield -- ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx:40(A), ImpArm-ResPsi:40(23), ImpArm-EndRdx/Rchg:40(39), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:40(40), ImpArm-ResDam:40(48)
Level 12: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(A)
Level 14: Super Jump -- Jump-I:50(A)
Level 16: Grounded -- ResDam-I:50(A)
Level 18: Health -- Heal-I:50(A), Heal-I:50(19), Heal-I:50(43)
Level 20: Stamina -- EndMod-I:50(A), EndMod-I:50(21), EndMod-I:50(21)
Level 22: Lightning Reflexes -- Run-I:50(A)
Level 24: Conductive Shield -- ImpArm-ResDam:40(A), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx:40(25), ImpArm-ResDam/Rchg:40(25), ImpArm-EndRdx/Rchg:40(37)
Level 26: Lightning Field -- Sciroc-Acc/Dmg:50(A), Sciroc-Dmg/EndRdx:50(27), Sciroc-Dmg/Rchg:50(27), Sciroc-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(31), Sciroc-Acc/Rchg:50(34), M'Strk-Acc/EndRdx:50(37)
Level 28: Energize -- Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx:50(A), Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg:50(29), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg:50(29), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg:50(34), Dct'dW-Rchg:50(40)
Level 30: Hasten -- RechRdx-I:50(A), RechRdx-I:50(31), RechRdx-I:50(31)
Level 32: Lightning Rod -- Oblit-Dmg:50(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg:50(33), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg:50(33), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(33), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(34)
Level 35: Power Sink -- Efficacy-EndMod:50(A), Efficacy-EndMod/Rchg:50(36), Efficacy-EndMod/Acc/Rchg:50(36), Efficacy-Acc/Rchg:50(36), Efficacy-EndMod/Acc:50(37), Efficacy-EndMod/EndRdx:50(46)
Level 38: Power Surge -- RechRdx-I:50(A), RechRdx-I:50(39), RechRdx-I:50(39)
Level 41: Build Up -- RechRdx-I:50(A), RechRdx-I:50(42), RechRdx-I:50(42)
Level 44: Lightning Clap -- Stpfy-Acc/Rchg:50(A), Stpfy-EndRdx/Stun:50(45), Stpfy-Acc/EndRdx:50(45), Stpfy-Stun/Rng:50(45), Stpfy-Acc/Stun/Rchg:50(46)
Level 47: Taunt -- Insult-Dsrnt%:20(A), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg:50(48), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg/Rng:50(48), Zinger-Dam%:50(50)
Level 49: Electrifying Fences -- Enf'dOp-Acc/Immob/Rchg:50(A), TotHntr-Acc/Immob/Rchg:50(50), TotHntr-Acc/EndRdx:50(50)
------------
Level 1: Brawl -- Acc-I:50(A), T'Death-Dam%:40(43), Mako-Dam%:50(46)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Fury
------------
Set Bonus Totals:
- 11.5% DamageBuff(Smashing)
- 11.5% DamageBuff(Lethal)
- 11.5% DamageBuff(Fire)
- 11.5% DamageBuff(Cold)
- 11.5% DamageBuff(Energy)
- 11.5% DamageBuff(Negative)
- 11.5% DamageBuff(Toxic)
- 11.5% DamageBuff(Psionic)
- 1.56% Defense(Fire)
- 1.56% Defense(Cold)
- 5.63% Defense(Psionic)
- 3.13% Defense(AoE)
- 8.55% Max End
- 3% Enhancement(Stun)
- 4% Enhancement(Heal)
- 36% Enhancement(Accuracy)
- 5% Enhancement(Immobilize)
- 38.8% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
- 45 HP (3%) HitPoints
- MezResist(Held) 2.75%
- MezResist(Immobilize) 8.8%
- MezResist(Stun) 6.6%
- MezResist(Terrorized) 2.2%
- 11.5% (0.19 End/sec) Recovery
- 20% (1.25 HP/sec) Regeneration
- 1.26% Resistance(Fire)
- 1.26% Resistance(Cold)
- 3.13% Resistance(Negative)
- 2.25% Resistance(Psionic)
Code:
| Copy & Paste this data into Mids' Hero Designer to view the build | |-------------------------------------------------------------------| |MxDz;1416;687;1374;HEX;| |78DAA5935B4F134114C767DB5D0A6DA194DA7297167B055AE0CDCB83518184D81A0| |C31E28DBAD411176B697617045F447DC55BE28331F1C9BB7C03FD680AF55CA6257D| |76D3FE7F3B67FE7366CECE4C69672E28C4DE79A1052E554DC7295FB4B75C6994CC7| |5AB129AAFCA8A6B5B9578D15CB34DD7278418A1FE724956A52C34FBCD2A0754E79C| |BC2F6BCE7177F982FD68D30E2FD61E485BD6DC42F325B8B4B9592D2C586E4D3A0E3| |78AD2AC5BB5753F3596EB52DE0BD3EB626DDB72AC35AB6AB9BBD1F9BA5529A8756C| |954BA6E34A7B7700169783FFA1683E0D5DAC0032C27383E0BF43E85D25E43600B3E| |2133A35B27B4552C31E3D45F0A7097D59C251D30669B5B6B41D6D6927386D03D4CB| |76C3DBF06048FF43E8F84B081E117A0E0999048D32E00B1BBC18614400BA5768D0F| |6A94C3E4ED1C9293A796C90D3F770C21867FA0ADAC599F42E2E2B9623A4B9AC4C86| |30CDD5C56086809A3810D530433F84BA795ED19DA5A4DF4043CA159AA2900F5C610| |E79C2490AF53126189D60882843244EA1136DF80E1A5549A3790A7D01ED577BD2CF| |0B1CE01A06786B925CC367700CB2CF18DCA6A1438F193B84934F08895D42D221FC0| |01D569F66F832D53A52649408892B84CC12611C0A1855058C4E72DA36E0868DA993| |31C61B14E70D8AF306C5796712BC4F3FC1384E47A9618CEF53E8D44BC62BC66B42F| |20D21FF967000FE144FE249F1BCE93660C6AC326439946B830E8649B5CCC9A754DA| |D41EE319E33921FF82E0012DB0DD5B58873544C4B4454B99DE20CC3A84BB70CA67D| |4BC33EF68E8EC07C67BFEA87AEB3E7AC4101F8D325D95FC436A158F0DF083472CE9| |ADBB26348A2CE8AD5BFA5FCFAF6073AEAEAB7ED065946B28D75156506EA2DC42B98| |DB28A524669FC6E8D0E9DC6059D41398B720E651F4DBE0048002588D28DD2831242| |E94589A0C45086503EA234FE018419FFAE| |-------------------------------------------------------------------|
Quote:
While it is possible to soft-cap a resistance set, you will have gimped yourself in the process, sacrificing attacks and efficient slotting for unique set bonuses.|
Originally Posted by Flarecrow
Well, near soft capped positional defenses, if possible, would be nice, but I want to do respectable damage for a brute.
|
Instead of seeking to softcap, aim for about half of that so that you can softcap your defense with a single inspiration when you need it.
Quote:
| EDIT: I guess since it's a resistance based AT, the best bet would probably be resistance cap, right? I really don't know too much about IO'ing builds, I'm still learning! I just want something that can survive and do a lot of damage. |
1) Layered defense by adding S/L or Melee defense. This works great until you run into defense debuffs. Just track it with the combat attributes monitor and know when to run.
2) Significant HP and Regen bonuses. If you have enough health and regen, you can last a bit longer - hopefully long enough for teammates to help.
3) Significant recharge. If you have attacks that are good for mitigation, such as footstomp, you can reduce the incoming damage by being able to fire your attacks more frequently.
For your powerset combination, the third option is not a good option.
Here is a build done in my modified version of mids (so it probably won't open properly). It's designed for a tremendous amount of AoE capability. It sports 31.4% melee defense, which will be safely soft-capped with a single luck. What makes this build highly unusual is I have chosen to drop stamina in favor of energize and powersink. Power Surge is there for fun at times, and I usually never bother with it. I suppose you could switch it out for taunt if you wanted.
You want that Knockback IO in grounded if you like firing lightning rod and jumping.
Villain Plan by Mids' Villain Designer 1.401
http://www.cohplanner.com/
Click this DataLink to open the build!
Level 50 Magic Brute
Primary Power Set: Electrical Melee
Secondary Power Set: Electric Armor
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Mu Mastery
Villain Profile:
Level 1: Charged Brawl
- (A) Touch of Death - Accuracy/Damage
- (3) Touch of Death - Damage/Endurance
- (7) Touch of Death - Damage/Recharge
- (17) Touch of Death - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
- (19) Touch of Death - Damage/Endurance/Recharge
- (46) Touch of Death - Chance of Damage(Negative)
- (A) Titanium Coating - Endurance
- (5) Titanium Coating - Resistance
- (15) Titanium Coating - Resistance/Endurance
- (37) Titanium Coating - Resistance/Recharge
- (40) Titanium Coating - Endurance/Recharge
- (43) Titanium Coating - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge
- (A) Obliteration - Damage
- (3) Obliteration - Accuracy/Recharge
- (7) Obliteration - Damage/Recharge
- (13) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
- (19) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
- (21) Obliteration - Chance for Smashing Damage
- (A) Titanium Coating - Resistance/Endurance
- (5) Titanium Coating - Resistance/Recharge
- (15) Titanium Coating - Endurance/Recharge
- (37) Titanium Coating - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge
- (40) Titanium Coating - Resistance
- (43) Titanium Coating - Endurance
- (A) Jumping IO
- (A) Obliteration - Chance for Smashing Damage
- (9) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
- (9) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
- (13) Obliteration - Damage/Recharge
- (17) Obliteration - Accuracy/Recharge
- (21) Obliteration - Damage
- (A) Recharge Reduction IO
- (11) Recharge Reduction IO
- (11) Recharge Reduction IO
- (A) HamiO:Nucleolus Exposure
- (A) Endurance Reduction IO
- (A) Numina's Convalescence - +Regeneration/+Recovery
- (50) Miracle - +Recovery
- (50) Numina's Convalescence - Heal
- (50) Numina's Convalescence - Heal/Endurance
- (A) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%
- (48) Steadfast Protection - Knockback Protection
- (A) HamiO:Ribosome Exposure
- (A) Crushing Impact - Damage/Endurance/Recharge
- (23) Crushing Impact - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
- (23) Crushing Impact - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
- (25) Crushing Impact - Damage/Recharge
- (25) Crushing Impact - Damage/Endurance
- (A) Run Speed IO
- (A) Titanium Coating - Resistance/Endurance
- (27) Titanium Coating - Resistance/Recharge
- (27) Titanium Coating - Endurance/Recharge
- (37) Titanium Coating - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge
- (40) Titanium Coating - Resistance
- (46) Titanium Coating - Endurance
- (A) Doctored Wounds - Recharge
- (29) Doctored Wounds - Heal
- (29) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Endurance/Recharge
- (31) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Recharge
- (34) Doctored Wounds - Endurance/Recharge
- (A) Adjusted Targeting - Recharge
- (31) Adjusted Targeting - To Hit Buff/Recharge
- (31) Recharge Reduction IO
- (A) Obliteration - Chance for Smashing Damage
- (33) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
- (33) Obliteration - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
- (33) Obliteration - Damage/Recharge
- (34) Obliteration - Accuracy/Recharge
- (34) Obliteration - Damage
- (A) Performance Shifter - EndMod/Recharge
- (36) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod/Recharge
- (36) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod/Endurance
- (36) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod/Accuracy/Recharge
- (A) Scirocco's Dervish - Damage/Endurance
- (39) Scirocco's Dervish - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
- (39) Multi Strike - Damage/Endurance
- (39) Multi Strike - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
- (A) Positron's Blast - Chance of Damage(Energy)
- (42) Positron's Blast - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
- (42) Positron's Blast - Accuracy/Damage
- (42) Positron's Blast - Damage/Endurance
- (43) Positron's Blast - Damage/Recharge
- (A) Positron's Blast - Chance of Damage(Energy)
- (45) Positron's Blast - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance
- (45) Positron's Blast - Damage/Recharge
- (45) Positron's Blast - Damage/Endurance
- (46) Positron's Blast - Accuracy/Damage
- (A) HamiO:Cytoskeleton Exposure
- (48) HamiO:Cytoskeleton Exposure
- (48) HamiO:Cytoskeleton Exposure
- (A) Recharge Reduction IO
Level 1: Brawl
- (A) HamiO:Nucleolus Exposure
- (A) Celerity - +Stealth
- (A) Recharge Reduction IO
I like the suggestions put forth here. I've got a few /Elec characters and have been tooling around trying to come up with good builds for them (my Stone/Elec Brute is used for Hami raids and so needs enough KB protection to stop the KB from a yellow mito while I'm off the ground, and needs enough extra HP to keep me alive when things go bad. I built for +HP, +recharge, and +melee defense: his I16 build has somewhere around 1800 HP before accolades, 50% recharge including the 20% from Lightning Reflexes, and roughly 25% melee defense. Factoring in Hasten cycles, Energize should be up every 45 seconds or so.
@macskull, @Not Mac | XBL: macskull | Steam: macskull | Skype: macskull
"One day we all may see each other elsewhere. In Tyria, in Azeroth. We may pass each other and never know it. And that's sad. But if nothing else, we'll still have Rhode Island."
"One day we all may see each other elsewhere. In Tyria, in Azeroth. We may pass each other and never know it. And that's sad. But if nothing else, we'll still have Rhode Island."
This is what I am gonna go with, there are a few other ways of going about this, and I may try out one that I put together when I was building an Elec/Elec Tanker.
If you have the cash, grab the pvp 3% def IO as well.
*Edit: Reworked my build, made it a bit closer to my tanker build. Damage should not be an issue. Oh, and yeah, with those recharge IOs in Thunderstruck and Lighning Rod, you won't quite get the recharge listed in Mid's, but it should be close. Have one of those in Tremor on my SM/WP, and with just that and the recharge in Hasten, Hasten is only down for a little bit, with the LoTGs, it will be perma.
and ignore the levels, this is not a build for Malefactoring down. I will eventually rework it with that in mind.
Villain Plan by Mids' Villain Designer 1.401
http://www.cohplanner.com/
Click this DataLink to open the build!
chromatic deth: Level 50 Magic Brute
Primary Power Set: Electrical Melee
Secondary Power Set: Electric Armor
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Mu Mastery
Villain Profile:
Level 1: Havoc Punch -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg:35(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg:35(13), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:35(13), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx:35(25), P'ngS'Fest-Acc/Dmg:30(29), P'ngS'Fest-Dmg/Rchg:30(31)
Level 1: Charged Armor -- RctvArm-ResDam:40(A), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx:40(3), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg:40(3), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:40(7)
Level 2: Lightning Field -- P'Shift-EndMod/Acc:50(A), P'Shift-End%:50(23), P'Shift-EndMod:50(34)
Level 4: Conductive Shield -- RctvArm-ResDam:40(A), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg:40(5), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx:40(5), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:40(7)
Level 6: Maneuvers -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(A), HO:Cyto(15), HO:Cyto(19)
Level 8: Thunder Strike -- Oblit-%Dam:50(A), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg:50(9), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(9), Oblit-Acc/Rchg:50(15), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(19), FrcFbk-Rechg%:50(23)
Level 10: Static Shield -- RctvArm-ResDam:40(A), RctvArm-EndRdx:40(11), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx:40(11), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:40(17)
Level 12: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(A)
Level 14: Super Jump -- Jump-I:50(A)
Level 16: Grounded -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+:30(A), S'fstPrt-ResKB:30(17)
Level 18: Hasten -- RechRdx-I:50(A), RechRdx-I:50(45), RechRdx-I:50(46)
Level 20: Charged Brawl -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg:35(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx:35(21), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg:35(21), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:35(45)
Level 22: Assault -- EndRdx-I:50(A)
Level 24: Chain Induction -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg:35(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg:35(25), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:35(34), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx:35(37), P'ngS'Fest-Acc/Dmg:30(37), P'ngS'Fest-Dmg/Rchg:30(46)
Level 26: Boxing -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg:35(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx:35(27), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg:35(27), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:35(31)
Level 28: Energize -- Numna-Regen/Rcvry+:50(A), Numna-Heal/Rchg:50(29), Numna-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg:50(31), Numna-Heal:50(36), Mrcl-Heal/Rchg:40(46), Mrcl-Rcvry+:40(50)
Level 30: Tough -- RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg:40(A), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx:40(39), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:40(40), RctvArm-ResDam:40(45)
Level 32: Lightning Rod -- Oblit-%Dam:50(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg:50(33), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg:50(33), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(33), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(34), FrcFbk-Rechg%:50(37)
Level 35: Power Sink -- Efficacy-EndMod/Acc:50(A), Efficacy-Acc/Rchg:50(36), Efficacy-EndMod/Acc/Rchg:50(36), Efficacy-EndMod:50(39), Efficacy-EndMod/EndRdx:50(43), Efficacy-EndMod/Rchg:50(50)
Level 38: Taunt -- Mocking-Taunt:50(A), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg:50(39), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg/Rng:50(40), Mocking-Acc/Rchg:50(40), Mocking-Taunt/Rng:50(48), Mocking-Rchg:50(48)
Level 41: Electrifying Fences -- Enf'dOp-Acc/Rchg:50(A), Enf'dOp-EndRdx/Immob:50(42), Enf'dOp-Acc/EndRdx:50(42), Enf'dOp-Immob/Rng:50(42), Enf'dOp-Acc/Immob/Rchg:50(43), Enf'dOp-Acc/Immob:50(43)
Level 44: Lightning Reflexes -- Run-I:50(A)
Level 47: Build Up -- Rec'dRet-ToHit/Rchg:20(A), Rec'dRet-ToHit:20(48)
Level 49: Weave -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(A), LkGmblr-Def:50(50)
------------
Level 1: Brawl -- Mako-Dam%:35(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Fury
Dark Armor is like that kid you knew in school that didn't know when to shut up, and no matter how bad he got beaten down, he got right back up again and kept on talking.
I would take tough and then go for as much +recharge as you can get. Getting Energize close to 30 seconds as you can get it. Other than that, inspirations will get you through pretty much anything normal PvE can throw at you.
I totally agree with the above post. Ive been toying around with my ss/ela build with a view to changes coming in i16 and i am inclined to the opinion that slotting for defense bonus' on your /ela build will be something of a wasted effort.
I started doing my build in mids with a view to getting the rechg up as high as poss and then trying to get as much melee def as i could fit in around the rechg bonus'. But after i got hasten to almost perma levels i only really had room for about 20% def to melee...which considering the amount of slots it took to obtain i decided wasn't really going to be worth it. So, i did the build again and forgot about defense completely slotting for as much +rechg and +regen as i can get (with some a few +dmg res sprinkled here and there) and i am alot happier with how the build now looks on paper, in addition to that (and aside from the obvious benefits perma haste will have on energize and powersink) i recon with foorstomp rechg'ing every 5 or 6 seconds that will provide enough dmg mitigation that willl far outweigh the benefit of a meagre +20% to melee def.
Ofcourse you could sacrifice in other areas to gain a higher def, say around the 30% mark for a significant benefit. And in the past thats been a perfectley viable option as it was one of the scant few ways of increasing survivability on your /ela (one of the reasons it's being fixed i guess). But, with the changes in i16 slotting for +def is no longer the only way to beef yourself up. So i would urge you to look for ways to better enhance what you've already got in your trick bag before looking to incorperate completely new things to it.
To surmise..slot for recharge, recharge, recharge..... And if you got room to slot some extra defense, forget about it and slot more recharge xD
Just my two english pence 
Okay, I finally got around to toying with a potential build that I liked and this is what I came up with.
I hate hasten, therefore I skipped Hasten. I went the Melee Defense route, took Power Surge for those "Oh noes!" moments, and Managed to get a pretty decent build, in my opinion. Questions, comments, critiques? Also planning on using a similar build for a EA/WM Tanker, but, that's later.
Villain Plan by Mids' Villain Designer 1.401
http://www.cohplanner.com/
Click this DataLink to open the build!
Red Voltier: Level 50 Science Brute
Primary Power Set: Electrical Melee
Secondary Power Set: Electric Armor
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Fighting
Villain Profile:
Level 1: Havoc Punch -- T'Death-Acc/Dmg:40(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx:40(3), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg:40(3), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:40(5), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:40(5), T'Death-Dam%:40(7)
Level 1: Charged Armor -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx:40(A), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg:40(42), RctvArm-EndRdx/Rchg:40(42), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:40(42)
Level 2: Lightning Field -- M'Strk-Acc/Dmg:50(A), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx:50(7), M'Strk-Dmg/Rchg:50(9), M'Strk-Acc/EndRdx:50(9), M'Strk-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(11), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(11)
Level 4: Jacobs Ladder -- Oblit-Dmg:50(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg:50(17), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg:50(19), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(19), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(21), Oblit-%Dam:50(21)
Level 6: Conductive Shield -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx:40(A), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg:40(37), RctvArm-EndRdx/Rchg:40(46), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:40(50)
Level 8: Thunder Strike -- Oblit-Dmg:50(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg:50(13), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg:50(13), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(15), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(15), Oblit-%Dam:50(17)
Level 10: Static Shield -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx:40(A), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg:40(39), RctvArm-EndRdx/Rchg:40(40), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:40(50)
Level 12: Combat Jumping -- Zephyr-Travel:50(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx:50(23), Zephyr-ResKB:50(23)
Level 14: Super Jump -- Zephyr-Travel:50(A), Zephyr-Travel/EndRdx:50(25), Zephyr-ResKB:50(25)
Level 16: Swift -- Run-I:50(A)
Level 18: Health -- Heal-I:50(A)
Level 20: Stamina -- EndMod-I:50(A), EndMod-I:50(36), P'Shift-End%:50(37)
Level 22: Grounded -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx:40(A), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg:40(43), RctvArm-EndRdx/Rchg:40(43), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:40(43)
Level 24: Taunt -- Mocking-Taunt:50(A), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg:50(40), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg/Rng:50(46), Mocking-Acc/Rchg:50(46)
Level 26: Chain Induction -- T'Death-Acc/Dmg:40(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx:40(27), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg:40(27), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:40(34), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:40(36), T'Death-Dam%:40(36)
Level 28: Energize -- Numna-Heal:50(A), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+:50(29), Mrcl-Heal:40(29), Mrcl-Rcvry+:40(31), H'zdH-Heal/EndRdx:40(31), H'zdH-Heal:40(31)
Level 30: Build Up -- RechRdx-I:50(A), RechRdx-I:50(40)
Level 32: Lightning Rod -- Oblit-Dmg:50(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg:50(33), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg:50(33), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(33), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(34), Oblit-%Dam:50(34)
Level 35: Power Sink -- P'Shift-EndMod:50(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg:50(37), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc/Rchg:50(39), P'Shift-End%:50(39)
Level 38: Power Surge -- S'fstPrt-ResKB:30(A)
Level 41: Boxing -- Acc-I:50(A)
Level 44: Tough -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx:40(A), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg:40(45), RctvArm-EndRdx/Rchg:40(45), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:40(45)
Level 47: Weave -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx:50(A), LkGmblr-Def/Rchg:50(48), LkGmblr-EndRdx/Rchg:50(48), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg:50(48), LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(50)
Level 49: Lightning Reflexes -- Run-I:50(A)
------------
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Fury
| Copy & Paste this data into Mids' Hero Designer to view the build |
|-------------------------------------------------------------------|
|MxDz;1415;689;1378;HEX;|
|78DAA593DB4E13511486F7F44085B6B4A502A51468A1508E9 5DE79B820CA21C1408|
|212D000D234654B47EBB44E07A3773E80576AE295579EF50D F44DD43751A96BAD7F|
|83315E3A29FFC7ACBD66ED7FD6DAB3FE7029A2D4E30565851 7EB9556AB7CC53DF27|
|468B36A6BA7AAC3D7F54176BB51F76CED86945219592DAFEB BAD6C5E5BAAE7AAE5D|
|ADD411308B4BFAB6765A7F96CB97DD7B0D37B1EAD4B4AB1DA F78F24F64A3D1A817D|
|774A5693B87B859B13D47B75A51737358F368A94BEE369B5A 1F64969B76B5886DD6|
|F403BBE2D52A4E79BDD2F2B4FB2845FEA6E8EF589D5CEDA0D A2114946F17D813046|
|E01FB828EB2E0153F60C9537E356C71686A04C80239C16B4E 435ED06A124AAAE3BE|
|E08C0BB4045D1E70246893FA8D27FF0F1F87E23F053DBF806 3C1D936C0C925F586F|
|283C653109EF2F034074F2578623F21533D84EA11548FA07A 37AA77A37A1CD5DF52|
|7EA7A9DE89EA13A85EF8AB7A1F950E23CF17FE2A15FABE01D F05FD9410C5F6BE281|
|252484821214809315450B1396948884209134AE4D1380A25 CD3EC9AC84C680FC0B|
|29F38E6E7A8DE15E189E86E169189E86611F693FFCF8FB6BF 268C116CCDD01EE0AF|
|C943760DA36808392C64149E3A0E47050C67050C670503E90 0E9A0330B86571A1CC|
|36B02ADB0F5F05168045011FAD21EC650DCDC85B15001EF08 8713182E16531BC2C8|
|697C5F072185E0EC3FB48F9A3725EDBFED1A7B2927F269878 0EA0679F28631CD5D5|
|784A4C58D4E749139A4C8B073F85664CC766D0D9597476169 D9D4567039457C4BB0|
|78A7179E97309A007480A4ABD82F794386F863C8FB96702A7 1F27FDE8526BFF4436|
|02E64BA488259195C0E9C7F95FD7E7C8C95E9DD7BA483759B 6586EB0DC64D961D96|
|5D963D96729B3B4BF9C3E1D3BCF862EB05C64B9C4F2849342 6192304B8425CAD2CD|
|126389B32459FA58D22C2F59DABF0180CF0174|
|-------------------------------------------------------------------|
"Iron defenses and a crappy attitude do not, a tanker, make."
Proud Leader and founder of The Gangbusters Super Group and The Madhouse Villain Group: Ask me about becoming a member!
I find it interesting that, in a discussion related to optimizing Elec/Elec survivability, nobody has mentioned endurance drain. I've found that Power Sink, Lightning Field, and Ball Lightning can sap out minions quite quickly, greatly reducing incoming damage. It's also effective at dropping toggles on certain problem enemies, particularly Cimerorans who lose their mez protection when drained and thus become vulnerable to KD. Is this no longer considered a viable survival tool for some reason?
@SPTrashcan
Avatar by Toxic_Shia
Why MA ratings should be changed from stars to "like" or "dislike"
A better algorithm for ordering MA arcs
Quote:
Probably because saps are mostly ineffective against higher levels, and lets be honest, even a SO build doesn't have too much trouble with equal level minions to have to rely on sap; not to mention after Lightning Rod, Thunderstrike and Ball Lightning, all the minions should be dead and you should be left with just the boss/lt. Power Sink doesn't recharge fast enough to use it as a full draining tool and LF and BL drains aren't enough by themselves to drain mobs fully (although they are good enough to take care of recovery in order to keep the mobs low on end). In addition, sapping doesn't do anything to help you deal with the alpha any better in group situations, so.. umm.. it's nice slotting it for PvP.
|
Originally Posted by SpittingTrashcan
I find it interesting that, in a discussion related to optimizing Elec/Elec survivability, nobody has mentioned endurance drain. I've found that Power Sink, Lightning Field, and Ball Lightning can sap out minions quite quickly, greatly reducing incoming damage. It's also effective at dropping toggles on certain problem enemies, particularly Cimerorans who lose their mez protection when drained and thus become vulnerable to KD. Is this no longer considered a viable survival tool for some reason?
|
Weird. That hasn't been my experience at all.
Well, carry on.
@SPTrashcan
Avatar by Toxic_Shia
Why MA ratings should be changed from stars to "like" or "dislike"
A better algorithm for ordering MA arcs
Quote:
What level of difficulty do you run your elec at? If you're fighting +2 or +3's, you will not be able to easily sap enemies in one application.
|
Originally Posted by SpittingTrashcan
Weird. That hasn't been my experience at all.
Well, carry on. |
Quote:
This is what my Elec/Elec does, and it works fine in big mobs, but against single EBs or AVs, not so much. With Power Sink, Ball Lightning, Lightning Field and Elec Fences all slotted with at least 1 End Mod I can keep almost everything without END. I also slot Stun Procs in Lightning Field and Power Sink, and it makes tanking large mobs a Breeze. I plan on slotting for +HP and +Regen with +Recharge and +Recovery as a backseat objective. I doubt I'll even bother with Defense besides taking Weave.
|
Originally Posted by SpittingTrashcan
I find it interesting that, in a discussion related to optimizing Elec/Elec survivability, nobody has mentioned endurance drain. I've found that Power Sink, Lightning Field, and Ball Lightning can sap out minions quite quickly, greatly reducing incoming damage. It's also effective at dropping toggles on certain problem enemies, particularly Cimerorans who lose their mez protection when drained and thus become vulnerable to KD. Is this no longer considered a viable survival tool for some reason?
|
@Mazzo Grave
Webmaster Grave, Virtueverse!
Energy/Energy Blaster Guide
Quote:
|
Originally Posted by BackAlleyBrawler
you *******!!!!
|
When VEAT's were getting ready to come out, I hauled *** to hit 50 on my then-Level 35 Elec/Elec Brute. He was an awesome toon and I love him dearly, but the way i built him was horrendous. He had terrible survivability, and was just a PitA t play. now that i:16 is coming and I can ditch Red Lightning for something a little more natural-looking, plus the addition to Energize to Electric Armor, i'm feeling like breathing a little life into the poor guy.
Using the 'unofficial' Mid's Update for Issue 16 (http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=188393) I was attempting to work on a build, but, I became frustrated and eventually gave it up.
Is there anyone out there that has an Elec/Elec build that is both survivable, and not gimped in the Damage department?
"Iron defenses and a crappy attitude do not, a tanker, make."
Proud Leader and founder of The Gangbusters Super Group and The Madhouse Villain Group: Ask me about becoming a member!