Katanas do not go on the back.
ALWAYS the left hip, to be drawn by the right hand. If DB with katana blades, then they are still both on the left hip.
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There is apparently an issue with the anchor point on the back. You can see the issues when using one of the temporary jetpacks on Huge characters. The jetpack seems to melt into the back of the character.|
Originally Posted by Zanthar
I find it odd that this game has been around for as long as it has been without some form of back costuming other than capes/wings. Here is a small list of what I would have thought would have been in the game by now back wise.
Jetpacks: Yes we DO have jet packs but only temp ones, for some reason one of the most basic of 'super hero' travel items is ignored as a costume option for natural or tech origin heroes. Why is that? Its not like we dont see npcs with them all the time so why cant we have it? Even the jump packs would be good for a costume option for super jump. Instead we get rocket boots and tech wings. Weapons on Back Ever wonder where the heck your DB, Mace, axe or katana hero puts their weapons? Even if it dosent show them actually pulling the weapon off i would love it if they just showed the weapons on the back. Backpacks Odd we dont have these either. Military bags, schoolbags, ect. Just seems odd. It just seems odd that these items were never added to the game as options for costuming. Looking over the costume request thread i can seem more than a few posts asking for these things. What i want to know is why after this many years of the game being online havent these been put in? NPCs have them, is there some reason PCs dont get them? Id settle for the ones thay have at least! |
They know we want it, and I'm pretty sure they want to give it to us. They just need to figure out how to do it without breaking something else.
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It's not a matter of having the models for them...it's a matter of having them look good. If you pay attention to the temp jetpacks, they only look good if your toon is regular sized. Create a new toon, and set all sliders to minimum, to make the smallest toon possible. Then, use a jetpack. You'll notice that it's not connected to the toon, but rather hovers off their back. Now, do the same with a Huge toon, and you'll notice the jetpack is embedded in their back.
The reason NPCs can have it is because they're all one size. With all the different sizes we can be, the reason we don't have them right now is because there's no attach point back there to put them on. It's a limitation that's being worked on...but Jay's only one person. Now that he has an assistant, it may come soon, hopefully...but there's no way of telling.
Back costume pieces have been asked for again and again since launch. I think BaB's once commented that there is something in the animation mechanics that at one time prohibited the implementation of said items. I say at one time because I believe his statement was before NCSoft bought the IP for CoX. Now with the money and staffing drastically increased since the buyout, I have a strange feeling that we may see these items in the new GR expansion, especially since the new kid on the block has them. Obviously this is pure speculation on my part, but I really wouldn't be surprised if that is the case. We really will not know until more information is released on GR content and I don't think that we will be getting anymore updates to GR until after i16 goes live.
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Originally Posted by BayushiZero
Katanas do not go on the back.
ALWAYS the left hip, to be drawn by the right hand. If DB with katana blades, then they are still both on the left hip. |
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The No-Dachi, however, was worn across the back, but, due to it's prodigious size, could not be drawn from that position. It was generally unslung, drawn, and the scabbard discarded until the end of the battle.
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This is the case of me watching too many cartoons where they had it on the back, I figured they might be carried on the hip but wasent sure.|
Originally Posted by BayushiZero
Katanas do not go on the back.
ALWAYS the left hip, to be drawn by the right hand. If DB with katana blades, then they are still both on the left hip. |
Either way given the limitations of the character models, animations, ect....they have had years to figure something out. Im not saying its *THAT* simple but after 5 years you would have thought they would have made SOME headway on the problem if that were the case. I'm guessing its just on the very bottom of the 'todo' list. Probably just below the 'Bork PVP' and just above 'Fix Pvp'
EDIT: also i noticed that the 5 buck jet pack from the store works and looks just fine on my huge character....
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1> Tell that to the Tsoo, who often carry their Katanas on theire backs.|
Originally Posted by BayushiZero
Katanas do not go on the back.
ALWAYS the left hip, to be drawn by the right hand. If DB with katana blades, then they are still both on the left hip. |
2> I'm not sure what would look worse: Having the Katana scabbard(s) on the left hip and drawing it from the right hip, using the left hand, or drawing both from the back, over the shoulders, completely ignoring the scabbard in either case.
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Originally Posted by Roderick
1> Tell that to the Tsoo, who often carry their Katanas on theire backs.
2> I'm not sure what would look worse: Having the Katana scabbard(s) on the left hip and drawing it from the right hip, using the left hand, or drawing both from the back, over the shoulders, completely ignoring the scabbard in either case. |
Isn't the reason for this because the Tsoo are fashioned a bit after the Ninja? I was under the impression that the Ninja carried their blades on their back to be more stealthy as much as because it was non-traditional?
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You are correct, they are more like ninjas than samurai. However, the post I replied to stated that katanas are ALWAYS worn on the left, to be drawn by the right hand. Not "always by samurai" or anything of the sort - just a flat out ALWAYS.
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Originally Posted by BayBlast
Okay I'm wading into unfamiliar waters here so feel free to correct me..
Isn't the reason for this because the Tsoo are fashioned a bit after the Ninja? I was under the impression that the Ninja carried their blades on their back to be more stealthy as much as because it was non-traditional? |
O yes the classic back items request :P
You should go take a look at the costume request thread this is in it like a billion times but as many have said it comes down to a tech issue.
Good News is like other tech issues power customizing is an example this may change in this era of the game, the Dev's of today have allot more power to work on things in game then they used to more man power more money exc, exc, so i would not be serprized if the issue is not fixed at some point soon(tm)
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This is ONLY true for Japanese Samurai. Okinawan "Samurais" carried katanas in left hand which made them generally better at sword fighting. Okinawans trained to use scabbard and sword simultaneously (scabbard in left hand and sword in right) unlike Japanese Samurai who depended on two hands using sword.|
Originally Posted by BayushiZero
Katanas do not go on the back.
ALWAYS the left hip, to be drawn by the right hand. If DB with katana blades, then they are still both on the left hip. |
Also, you forget that Ninjas would often use Samurai weapons against Samurais, so Ninjas did not carry Katanas on left hip (as you state) rather on backs.
Be careful of being pretentious...doesn't look good.
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As I understand it, the issue with the anchor point on the back is that there isn't one. So they have to stick the jetpack at a fixed point from the "center of mass" of the character skeleton, which means that it doesn't meet properly with the character's surface. It gets stuck in the back of Huge characters like you say, and floats a bit away from the back of some smaller characters.
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Originally Posted by Lightfoot
There is apparently an issue with the anchor point on the back. You can see the issues when using one of the temporary jetpacks on Huge characters. The jetpack seems to melt into the back of the character.
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The Ninja comment is irrelevant. Ninjas didn't (and don't) carry katanas. They carried a ninja-to, which is a slightly shorter, single edged, straight-bladed sword. Any time you see a ninja carrying a katana the person doing so failed in their research. The ninja-to was designed to punch through armor in a stabbing motion from concealment, hence the shorter, relatively thick-spined blade and long hilt. The shorter straight blade was also easier to use to slice a jugular with than a katana. It was worn over the right shoulder to facilitate stealth (hard to be sneaky when your scabbard is bouncing off of things in the dark) and the shorter blade made it possible to draw from that position. |
Originally Posted by HwaRang
This is ONLY true for Japanese Samurai. Okinawan "Samurais" carried katanas in left hand which made them generally better at sword fighting. Okinawans trained to use scabbard and sword simultaneously (scabbard in left hand and sword in right) unlike Japanese Samurai who depended on two hands using sword.
Also, you forget that Ninjas would often use Samurai weapons against Samurais, so Ninjas did not carry Katanas on left hip (as you state) rather on backs. Be careful of being pretentious...doesn't look good. |
The katana required much more space to use effectively than a ninja-to, which was also designed to use in confined spaces. A ninja-to did not have the same power in a slashing motion as a katana, the longer curved blade added power by slicing and drawing the entire edge along the target. Since ninjas relied on stealth, such an attack was impractical and would draw too much attention should they carry their slash all the way through a target and strike something else, making more noise than necessary. A stabbing motion was more easily controllable, so their weapon was designed with that in mind.
Edit: The stalker's Ninja Blade is actually a good example of the ninja-to, the color tintable version's dimensions are actually more realistic than the Legacy version, which was slightly too large. People who call that weapon a katana are mistaken.
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What you stated is correct about the Ninja-To.|
Originally Posted by ClawsandEffect
The Ninja comment is irrelevant. Ninjas didn't (and don't) carry katanas. They carried a ninja-to, which is a slightly shorter, single edged, straight-bladed sword. Any time you see a ninja carrying a katana the person doing so failed in their research. The ninja-to was designed to punch through armor in a stabbing motion from concealment, hence the shorter, relatively thick-spined blade and long hilt. The shorter straight blade was also easier to use to slice a jugular with than a katana. It was worn over the right shoulder to facilitate stealth (hard to be sneaky when your scabbard is bouncing off of things in the dark) and the shorter blade made it possible to draw from that position.
The katana required much more space to use effectively than a ninja-to, which was also designed to use in confined spaces. A ninja-to did not have the same power in a slashing motion as a katana, the longer curved blade added power by slicing and drawing the entire edge along the target. Since ninjas relied on stealth, such an attack was impractical and would draw too much attention should they carry their slash all the way through a target and strike something else, making more noise than necessary. A stabbing motion was more easily controllable, so their weapon was designed with that in mind. Edit: The stalker's Ninja Blade is actually a good example of the ninja-to, the color tintable version's dimensions are actually more realistic than the Legacy version, which was slightly too large. People who call that weapon a katana are mistaken. |
However, you are not correct about interpreting what I had written. You assumed that I (somehow) wrote/stated that Katanas ARE Ninja swords. I stated that Ninjas often used Samurai weapons against Samurais; hence, never did I state that Ninja swords WERE Katanas. I was implying that they (Ninjas) carried them (Katanas) on their backs, if, and when retrieved. Sure, drawing a Katana from one's back is not at all tactically sound. I did not elaborate because of time constraints.
But my comment was made in response to OP saying that:
"Katanas do not go on the back.
ALWAYS the left hip, to be drawn by the right hand. If DB with katana blades, then they are still both on the left hip."
Thus, this person is shooting down someone else's suggestion for Jetpacks and such because it would not "seem" realistic to him/her. It's a freaking game we play. It's meant to be "fun" not so "realistic". If Superhero costumes were meant to be soooo serious than we should rethink Superman, Batman and so on (who run in tights) because they pratically never rip their "suits" from intense physical combat.
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You know, I'm not seeing this. No one has come in and said that back items are unrealistic or unwanted.|
Originally Posted by HwaRang
Thus, this person is shooting down someone else's suggestion for Jetpacks and such because it would not "seem" realistic to him/her. It's a freaking game we play. It's meant to be "fun" not so "realistic". If Superhero costumes were meant to be soooo serious than we should rethink Superman, Batman and so on (who run in tights) because they pratically never rip their "suits" from intense physical combat.
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We've explained the technical hurdles, as we understand them, and put forth our hopes that those technical hurdles may be overcome in the near future.
The only "argument" in the thread is in regards to how realistic it would be to draw a Katana off the back. The "correct way" to wear a Katana is on the left hip, blade up. If one holds enough rank to wear daisho, the Wakizashi is worn also on the left hip, blade up, underneath the Katana. This is the way taught by traditional Kenjutsu / Kendo schools, and those choosing to honor their traditions will do so. Wearing the swords in a different manner shows that either your school was not traditional, that you do not respect the tradition, or that you are untrained or self-trained in the use of the weapon.
I also disagree that a Ninja, in a position to use a Katana against a Samurai, will wear the Katana across the back. When infiltrating a household in the guise of a Samurai, the Ninja will wear the blades in the correct manner so as not to arouse suspicion. If called upon to fight because their identity is compromised, the Ninja would be more likely to draw and use the Wakizashi, as the shorter, somewhat straighter, blade is more suited to their style of combat. Theoretically, if the Ninja is on a quick in and out wearing the mythical black garb, the Ninja would only have the Ninja-to, and therefore have no need to wear a Katana in the first place. ("Mythical black garb" only because there is no historical basis for the black ninja outfit. It is a modern conceit thanks to the way ninja were depicted in Japanese drama. Japanese audiences are trained to ignore people garbed in black on stage, as these are stage hands moving props and scenery. Ninja in Japanese drama were garbed in black to take advantage of this "invisibility." Modern "ninja" have allowed this conceit to grow and spread as it causes people to underestimate their skills at disguise and is another layer of disinformation about them. Those in the film industries who know the difference will still use the conceit because it makes the character instantly identifiable as ninja. I have several ninja characters who all use the black garb as their first costume slot for the same reason.)
Note that the draw animation for the Katana is from the left hip. Alas, the draw animation for Dual Blades while using the Katana and Wakizashi is from both hips. I fully accept this, as I have no desire to see Back Alley Brawler change the draw animation for Dual Blades just to accomodate the Niten style of sword fighting.
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Originally Posted by Lightfoot
[b]Note that the draw animation for the Katana is from the left hip. Alas, the draw animation for Dual Blades while using the Katana and Wakizashi is from both hips.[b] I fully accept this, as I have no desire to see Back Alley Brawler change the draw animation for Dual Blades just to accomodate the Niten style of sword fighting.
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The Katana is held in the left hand, and drawn from the right hip.
Dual blades are drawn from over the shoulders (on the back). This looks particularly bad on DB characters who (like mine) use daggers instead of swords. I wish there was a "from hip" draw animation.
@Roderick
I find it odd that this game has been around for as long as it has been without some form of back costuming other than capes/wings. Here is a small list of what I would have thought would have been in the game by now back wise.
Jetpacks:
Yes we DO have jet packs but only temp ones, for some reason one of the most basic of 'super hero' travel items is ignored as a costume option for natural or tech origin heroes. Why is that? Its not like we dont see npcs with them all the time so why cant we have it? Even the jump packs would be good for a costume option for super jump. Instead we get rocket boots and tech wings.
Weapons on Back
Ever wonder where the heck your DB, Mace, axe or katana hero puts their weapons? Even if it dosent show them actually pulling the weapon off i would love it if they just showed the weapons on the back.
Backpacks
Odd we dont have these either. Military bags, schoolbags, ect. Just seems odd.
It just seems odd that these items were never added to the game as options for costuming. Looking over the costume request thread i can seem more than a few posts asking for these things. What i want to know is why after this many years of the game being online havent these been put in? NPCs have them, is there some reason PCs dont get them? Id settle for the ones thay have at least!