New To the Game - Mind/Kin Build Help
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Posted on: 2009-08-24 09:44 in Controllers
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First welcome to the game and enjoy your stay. |
Originally Posted by Tissuepaper
It has helped a lot but the guild is almost 2 years old. I hope that the game has evolved in those 2 years and was hoping for a more current build and any help/comments on the ins and outs of the Mind/Kin choice. (is it just a bad choice on my part - and not played often?)
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Second, any guide for Mind/Kin will still be applicable to today's gameplay with one major exception - inventions. As far as power picks and slotting go, an older guide will do you just fine as a beginning player, but when you hit a higher level and are looking for better performance, you might want to start taking a look into inventions. The system is somewhat complicated and you can spent a lot of influence on fully putting together an IO build, but it's worth it if you're looking to improve your character once you have a basic grasp of how things work. A good player resource to use is a website called ParagonWiki.Quote:
| Will the lack of a pet for Mind be crippling at higher levels and possibly PvP? |
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| I Think I will just use Hover as my travel power and boost the speed with siphon speed. Is this a decent choice for travel or will I just be lagging behind the group and become a nuisance. |
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| How does a newb level - I have seen many people door sit to level and that either takes high level friends or lots of Influence to pay for the PL. I know no one in the game and have little influence so that will be tough for me to do. |
You should be able to level normally just by running missions from those contacts. Once you're level 10 you can start running task forces (the first is given out by Positron, in the middle of Steel Canyon, and is for levels 10-15), although the Positron task force is notorious for being a pretty poor introduction to task forces in general for lowbies and new players (it's long, grindy, and is actually more difficult with a larger team). In short, just go where your contacts and your radio missions take you.
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Server - I choose the Freedom server because it looked to have a larger population. I am not sure how the server stability is in CoH - Is Freedom a good choice stability and playability wise or should I change servers before I get to a decent level and regret my choice. Any and all comments will be appreciated. |
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"One day we all may see each other elsewhere. In Tyria, in Azeroth. We may pass each other and never know it. And that's sad. But if nothing else, we'll still have Rhode Island."
Mind/Kin is a very "clicky" set once it matures so be prepared for a busy playstyle with it. The good news is the set is quite powerful early as Mind gets most of it's good stuff by level 20. From 1-32 I've found Mind to be one of the most powerful controller sets... once you get into the mid-30's and beyond the other primaries start to catch up and in some cases surpass Mind. Still, it's a solid performer all the way to 50.
I have a Mind/Kin at 50 and it's a competent controller with a ton of zero-aggro control; by that I mean that you have lots of ways to control the mobs without them ever knowing you were there. Confuse, Mass Hypnosis, Mass Confusion all can be used in perfect safety. One of my favorite tricks while solo is to use Mass Hypnosis to sleep a group, fly in and hit Fulcrum Shift, then fly back and hit Terrify.
On a team some of your tricks are somewhat wasted... for example Mass Hypnosis is of highly limited use since it's an AOE sleep and your teammates will, obviously, wake them up when they attack.
The guide you linked is a good foundation for the set and it's still quite valid. It was written after IO's came in so the slotting advise is still valid as well. Some of the newer IO sets could change slotting for the Kinetic side but by the time you're ready to think about that you'll probably have a fair idea of what works and doesn't for you.
COH has just been murdered by NCSoft. http://www.change.org/petitions/ncso...city-of-heroes
Yet another reminder for me to update the guide =)
Everything in the guide should still be valid, except for maybe some of the PvP changes. Nothing about Mind or Kin has been altered at all in the last few years. Some of the infor IS outdated though, I'll need to fix it.... Also, thanks to us getting new boards last month, the formating is mucked up, which may make it harder to read... i'm fixing that as I type this.
Regardless, welcome to the game! If you ever have any questiosn feel free to ask!
-STEELE =)
Allied to all sides so that no matter what, I'll come out on top!
Oh, and Crimson demands you play this arc-> Twisted Knives (MA Arc #397769)
Oh, huh. IOs have been around for more than two years now. Doesn't feel like I've been playing that long... >.<
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"One day we all may see each other elsewhere. In Tyria, in Azeroth. We may pass each other and never know it. And that's sad. But if nothing else, we'll still have Rhode Island."
"One day we all may see each other elsewhere. In Tyria, in Azeroth. We may pass each other and never know it. And that's sad. But if nothing else, we'll still have Rhode Island."
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I'm not sure the game's evolved a WHOLE lot in the last two years. (Wait. Two years ago+ was when we got containment and lost AoEs, right?) I mean, Mind and Kin haven't changed that much.|
Originally Posted by Tissuepaper
I hope that the game has evolved in those 2 years and was hoping for a more current build and any help/comments on the ins and outs of the Mind/Kin choice. (is it just a bad choice on my part - and not played often?)
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An /kin build is extremely powerful IMO, whether team or solo. Teams even moreso. Unless you're just not willing to steadily boost teammates between fights. Kinetics is only rivaled by the bubblers for the tedium of its buffing-- but it's SO good, and not THAT tedious. Kin is awesome.
Mind is a fun small-teaming set-- surgical control, ST damage, low-aggro. It can be fun. It's not the strongest set out there. It's cool looking though, that's for sure.
Mind/Kin is an OK combo-- there's nothing that really makes the synergy especially strong or weak. The fact that Mind's an almost entirely ranged set, and that you'll often want to be near foes using Kinetics, doesn't help particularly, but it's not like this is a big bummer. Also, if you like slinging lots of AoE hard control, a Mind/Kin with siphon speed and hasten will be abel to throw out a lot of Total Dom and Mass Confusion.
Mind/Kin can be very strong and very fun.
>>Will the lack of a pet for Mind be crippling at higher levels and possibly PvP?<<
I don't PvP, but I suspect Mind's ST damage, and other features of Lift, Mes, Dom, probably stand it in good stead in PvP. Lack of a pet will mean you do *relatively* less damage single-target than many sets. I don't think that's the end of the world.
Hover + siphon speed should be fine. You could always take inertial reduction, too. I mean, I wouldn't hover when you're just trying to make ground time, but a pair of siphons up, and you'll be trucking right along, and hovering for vertical should be fine too.
>>How does a newb level
My only advice here is: 1) do your first eight levels on a "Sewer Team" in Atlas Park, if you don't have a regular group. (Ask for it by name in broadcast), 2) hit King's row, do the first police scanner sequence to a safeguard, if you want the flight pack. 3) try and get on mid-sized teams when possible. They should LOVE you after 20. And 4) don't forget that you can always pseudo-stealth solo missions with dom, mes, and mass hypnosis.
Also, I can set you up on Justice, Freedom, or Virtue if you're cash strapped. I'm @enantiodromos. As far as that goes, watch your common and rare salvage and any recipes that drop for IOs that say "chance to" etc. Learn a bit about how to sell on the market and do so regularly, and cash shouldn't be a big problem.
I wouldn't grind mobs until X level for any reason, except to prove to myself I can do it (q.v., Plant/Kin Boomtown Nazis!) You can contribute PLENTY on any team before speedboost, especially since you'll get it before most controllers would get their pet.
I don't think any server has HUGE stability issues, but Freedom and even Virtue can be a teeny bit cranky on like, new-issue double-XP weekend scenarios. Which I think we have one of those coming up.
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What server are you playing on? I might be able to give you a boost inf wise ... not sure if I should actually PL you, but I'll be happy to drag you around on a few lowbie missions to show you the different zones.
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Originally Posted by Tissuepaper
Hello all,
I just came to the game from "WoW" and after 1 week of CoH I am having more fun then the last year of "WoW". But I do have a few questions that I am hoping to get some help with. I have decided on a Mind/Kin Controller. He is only level 14 and he is my highest level character, yeah a long way to go I know. I do have a few questions on the Main and Secondary that I have Chosen. I have only found one guide to this build type (mind/kin) http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=122388 It has helped a lot but the guide is almost 2 years old. I hope that the game has evolved in those 2 years and was hoping for a more current build and any help/comments on the ins and outs of the Mind/Kin choice. (is it just a bad choice on my part - and not played often?) Will the lack of a pet for Mind be crippling at higher levels and possibly PvP? I Think I will just use Hover as my travel power and boost the speed with siphon speed. Is this a decent choice for travel or will I just be lagging behind the group and become a nuisance. How does a newb level - I have seen many people door sit to level and that either takes high level friends or lots of Influence to pay for the PL. I know no one in the game and have little influence so that will be tough for me to do. Do I just go grind mobs until 20 or so until I get speed boost? (which seems everyone wants for groups) Server - I choose the Freedom server because it looked to have a larger population. I am not sure how the server stability is in CoH - Is Freedom a good choice stability and playability wise or should I change servers before I get to a decent level and regret my choice. Any and all comments will be appreciated. |
Thank you all so much for the answers.
I will be on the Freedom server either on Tissuepaper or Talcum Powder.
Learning the ropes so to speak.
Hello all,
I just came to the game from "WoW" and after 1 week of CoH I am having more fun then the last year of "WoW".
But I do have a few questions that I am hoping to get some help with.
I have decided on a Mind/Kin Controller. He is only level 14 and he is my highest level character, yeah a long way to go I know. I do have a few questions on the Main and Secondary that I have Chosen.
I have only found one guide to this build type (mind/kin)
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=122388
It has helped a lot but the guide is almost 2 years old. I hope that the game has evolved in those 2 years and was hoping for a more current build and any help/comments on the ins and outs of the Mind/Kin choice. (is it just a bad choice on my part - and not played often?)
Will the lack of a pet for Mind be crippling at higher levels and possibly PvP?
I Think I will just use Hover as my travel power and boost the speed with siphon speed. Is this a decent choice for travel or will I just be lagging behind the group and become a nuisance.
How does a newb level - I have seen many people door sit to level and that either takes high level friends or lots of Influence to pay for the PL. I know no one in the game and have little influence so that will be tough for me to do.
Do I just go grind mobs until 20 or so until I get speed boost? (which seems everyone wants for groups)
Server - I choose the Freedom server because it looked to have a larger population. I am not sure how the server stability is in CoH - Is Freedom a good choice stability and playability wise or should I change servers before I get to a decent level and regret my choice.
Any and all comments will be appreciated.