AE Zone

Uh... the tips don't get in there unless they're approved.

I'm sorry, by trying to deny this one simple reality--that MA is designed and meant to be a leveling alternative--you've put yourself right into la la land.

Congratulations.

Okay. So you do not use it. You do not use MA. You have tried it in the past, but then stopped using it. You do not currently use this feature. You are ripping on a feature you do not use.

Irony, thy name is "Gloxina".

I'm afraid you're projecting.

Here's a part of my last response that you apparently failed to read:

"What I wish for is changes to the game that are improvements to the experience for the broadest possible range of players. What I wish for is negative impact of changes and adjustments to be minimized as much as possible. What I wish for is not undercutting one legitimate playstyle for the sake of another. What I wish for is targeting the root of a problem, not a particular manifestation of it. What I wish for is a broader range of options; more choice, not less."

Now, when a person states the above, and then you respond with, "if the game were only about you being able to have it your way, I am sure that everything would please you," it demonstrates a complete lack of acknowledgment of what the person actually said. It's intellectually dishonest. It also suggests that you somehow know the person's intent and point of view better than they do, which is absurd. It's also an ad hominem attack.

Throughout this entire thread, you have been pushing for changes to improve your own situation, while callously dismissing how those changes may negatively impact anyone else, and going as far as to deny reality when it inconveniences your agenda.

In short, I'm not the one trying to have it my way. You are. I have already advocated a solution--suggested in this very thread--that addresses your problem, while not disrupting everyone else.

Which you have completely ignored.

And that reinforces the impression that you don't give a damn about anyone else other than yourself, and are so taken with the novelty of your own ideas, that everyone else simply must embrace them. No, we're not allowed to find fault. No, that would be insulting. No, we can't suggest alternatives. It's your way or no way at all.

That you're now trying to accuse me of this attitude--when I haven't even presented my own view on the subject in this thread--is, in a word: laughable.

And I'll point out again: you've failed, your highness. You will never accomplish that goal by dismissing the legitimate preferences of large swaths of the player base. You will never accomplish that goal by trying to deny facts and realities about the game's design and how it is legitimately played.

This is rich, coming from you. Hypocrisy, thy name is also Gloxina (try to avoid Irony, there might be some confusion).

In your very first response to me, you arrogantly presumed to instruct me on what roleplay and this game are about. By the way, in case you didn't know, that's insulting. You then introduced your first false dichotomy in suggesting that character development and gameplay are somehow mutually exclusive. Congratulations, you just insulted anyone who happens to enjoy both. Then you conflated a behavior (farming) with a feature (MA), insulting another range of players by doing so. And you kicked it all off with a straw man: presuming I was making an argument I was not making (which you then went on to counter), when I was only correcting an inaccuracy. Foisting a viewpoint on a person--and then belittling them with it--doesn't exactly fall into the realm of being considerate.

In your second response, you again try to counter a simple, basic, readily observable, plainly obvious fact. And--here's the part you seem oblivious to--by doing so, you continue to casually dismiss the playing preferences of many other players.

That's insulting. The specific word I used here was: thoughtless.

You apparently didn't like that word. In your third response to me, you start in with the ad hominem attacks. Instead of simply acknowledging your error, you try to spin it as a "point of view" and begin chastising me for having the nerve to call it out for what it is: an error. So now you're going to ignore the actual point and come after me instead.

You continue on this track by assigning a sentiment to me that was in contradiction to the one I had actually expressed. Now, not only are you attacking me, you're ignoring my statements in the process. You've opted not to address me, and instead addressed some alternate version of me you've made up in your head. Hey, guess what! That's insulting.

You then try another straw man and insinuate that I am merely unreasonably resistant to change, like so many other unfortunate people. Oh, poor me. Oh, poor, deluded, backwards me. If only I were more enlightened. Then I could see the rightness and truth in Gloxina's progressive worldview.

[dripping sarcasm] Oh, no. That's not insulting. [/dripping sarcasm]

In your next response, you try to paint my "viewpoint" (read: acknowledgment of a fact) as aberrant. This would be an appeal to the people, except that the people you're attempting to appeal to don't actually exist. You then go on to once again condescend to me, by way of ascribing a view to me that I've not once espoused. Not here or anywhere else. Pretty much because I don't subscribe to it.

So, Gloxina... from where I'm standing, you've been outrageously insulting from the word go. And, given that little red dot 'neath your post count, it would appear that I'm not alone in that assessment. I point this out, because you seem to still be operating under the assumption that you speak for some silent mass of players.

You don't.

So, I'd say: get off the high horse. I'd say: you have no business up there, and at this point, chastising anyone else for being "insulting" is the height of hypocrisy. You've been nothing but insulting to me since before I even posted in this thread.

Ignorant: lacking in knowledge or information; unlearned.

You just essentially stated, 'no, I'm not ignorant of the game. I'm ignorant of the game.'

Okeedokee.

Neither do I.

You're welcome to that opinion. You've not demonstrated any "wish to learn" that I can see. Only a wish to shove your agenda down everyone else's throat.

Correction: my lack of concern begins and ends with you in particular. Not "others". Again, that was made abundantly clear in my previous post. The statement: "What I wish for is changes to the game that are improvements to the experience for the broadest possible range of players" directly contradicts a "lack of concern of others that play the game".

So either you did not read that statement (and the others that accompanied it), or you ignored it. Either way, it's just a continuation of your inconsiderate, intellectually dishonest routine.

My lack of concern for your issues in particular is a reciprocal response to your consistent demonstration of total disregard for large segments of the player base that, in certain instances, include me.

You want concern from me, but refuse to demonstrate any in return. Again, I ask: if you don't give a damn about anyone else, why should they give a damn about you?

If all those negatively impacted by your draconian solutions are turned off by them and leave the game, will not the game in general suffer?

It goes both ways.

Again, you refuse to acknowledge that anyone's experience, outside of your own and the minority who might share your issue, matters.

I would rather not see anyone driven away by an issue that can be readily mitigated, or fixed outright, by a change that has minimal impact on the player base as a whole.

Such a change has been suggested in this thread, by Eva.

However, some of the responsibility does still lie with you. If large numbers of people aren't experiencing lag to the extent that you're contending with, maybe--just maybe--the problem is, at least in part, on your end.

Or maybe you need to adjust a setting somewhere.

Or maybe the problem is not AE, but the behavior it promotes.

In which case, it wouldn't necessarily be MA that needs to be changed, if there are less disruptive ways to address that behavior.

See Eva's suggestion up-thread.

If the problem were widely experienced to the extent you describe, these boards and the global channels would be buried with complaints about it, and I'd be seeing it first hand in game.

Neither has occurred. So I'm afraid I have to conclude that the extent if your issue has not been widely experienced.

That said, player congestion does cause lag issues for a not insignificant number of people, even if they happen to be a minority, and AE has obviously brought about more extreme cases of that phenomenon.

I tend to agree that it would be a good idea for the developers to recognize this and take the most unobtrusive steps possible to address it.

What you've suggested is far from unobtrusive.

What Eva has suggested is much less disruptive.


In any event, Gloxina, I'm done with you and this interchange. I'm sure you'll proceed to dismiss, disregard, or distort everything I've presented here, and try to make yourself out to be a victim. It's my firm impression at this point that you're not looking for a dialogue, you're looking for an audience of nodding sycophants.

I'm very confident in the belief that you won't find that here.

Good luck.

I have never played the Red side but I do not get lag in Cimerora at all. I think it might be ISP releated too depending on where their servers are located and the banwidth/filters they have in place.

Lag in general is bandwith related not system relaed, provided that you are running with at least 1 gb of ram and 256 vid on an xp system and 2 gb ram w/ 512 gb vid on vista. never ran a Mac so I could not give you the hard ware specs for the minimum reqs there. have the network monitor that Coh provides up when you are experiencing lag. I see so much red that its silly. Red=high xit times. When I near a AE building its almost totally red.