Gloxina

I have never played the Red side but I do not get lag in Cimerora at all. I think it might be ISP releated too depending on where their servers are located and the banwidth/filters they have in place.

Lag in general is bandwith related not system relaed, provided that you are running with at least 1 gb of ram and 256 vid on an xp system and 2 gb ram w/ 512 gb vid on vista. never ran a Mac so I could not give you the hard ware specs for the minimum reqs there. have the network monitor that Coh provides up when you are experiencing lag. I see so much red that its silly. Red=high xit times. When I near a AE building its almost totally red.

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There for the information contained therein is not the representation of the Devs. but the users

No I have used it and probably would have continued to use it if it were not for the lag generated within AE. I have played others stories and created a few of my own. They still need refining but with the lag there is not much incentive to do so.

If the game were only about you being able to have it your way, I am sure that everything would please you and even the forums would do nothing more than paise you. However it is about everyone not just you.

Coming up with a solution that fits everyone is what we are trying to accomplish here. Not simply insult everyones oppinion merely because you dont like it. Insulting something or some one does not make you or your view point seem any better. It only points out that you are insulting

Ignorant, no, I perhaps lack knowledge of certain areas because I have been attemtping to learn all I can about the areas I have discovered and I have found that I do know more than most I have encountered here. What I have not seen or do not know I freely admit. I ask questions so that I may in fact learn. I do not insult some one for their lack of knowledge. The only true ignorance is the refuting of those that wish to learn.

Your lack of concern of others that play the game is disconcerning. If all those that are experiencing lag and are turned by it leave the game. Will not the the game in general suffer? Will it come to the point that the Devs and/or owners say "Its been a good ride but its time to cut our losses and close CoH/CoV"? No profits, no game. this is a commercial enterprise. But Lag is one of the biggest enemies of a MMORPG. It will Drive players away very quickly. I for one would not like to see that happen.

But by your own admission, you dont care if anyone else has lag or not.
But for the record I generally did not have hardly any lag till the advent of AE.
Since my system and my connection did not change, the cause must be the only other thing that did change. the addition of AE. Ergo, it needs tweeking, repairing. or even a redesign. Chose what ever term you wish, but AE is the cause and it does need to be fixed. If I were to be the only one effected by the AE Lag event horizon, then I would agree with you and just shutup and color and go my merry way. However I am not the only one. For everyone that expresses an issue with a problem there are generally hundreds more. I have been in the IT profession for quite some time now and I know this to be the general rule of thumb. Complainin customers are like the tip of the preverbial iceburg. What you see is only a small portion of the problem at hand. I would like to fix the problem before the ship hits the iceburg.

If each AE had its own Zone I think that might be a bit much but what would probably would be feasible is that if you had the zones that are hardly ever used, for instance Boomtown, have an actual AE building and place a link to it in all the other zones for CoH and do the same for the CoV side in a simularly idle zone. (Forgive my ignorance I have not yet played in CoV.)

One could even be placed in one of the PVP zones to allow heroe and Villian join missions. Any of the AE buildings in a PVP zone would link to the master AE building for PVP or Heroe/Villian Coop battles.

I remember reading something very simular in the preludes to the AE release. Only the article did not deal with any issues of PLing or Farming. I believe that was a result that was not forseen.

Perhaps you are right we did get a bit off topic.

The uses of AE can't be totally controlled by the Dvs as much as we wish they could. if they did then it would not give you much latitude in design.

But, however, what they can do is help us when it comes to lag. Initial concept or not. If Henry Ford had only stuck to his initial concept of the automobile ONLY then progress would have been very lacking. And that is what we really want here is progress.

Thanks Eva 8o)

You are a life saver.

Actually you may not have noticed but no one else seems to hold your point of view of either the litteral or percieved litteral "facts".

What is more important? Protecting the initial concept of AE ( and we do refer to it by AE not MA) or keeping the game actually fluid and playable. I for one will not be here for long after my contract with CoH expires. I prepaid for a year way before AE was even thought of. And now with this lag fest disguised as an improvement will more than likely drive me away. I like the game but I will not endure a laggy esperience and struggle to try to enjoy it and end up hating the game.

The sole purpose in starting this discussion was to try to come up with a concept that would rid COH of the lag and bring back some of the playability of the game.

If this means offending your purist concepts then so be it. I would rather have the game enjoyable that keep it true to the original concepts.

If all you wish to do is keep the game pure to its initial concepts then there is no use discussing anything with you at all. For there is nothing of any intellectual value to be gained by it.

Well, at least you have an opinion. But insulting some oneleses point of view verses giving inteligent counter point does not make your own point but merely become insulting.

I am sorry if you have found the discussions here to be ever so droll and repetitive. However this should allow you tp speed through the articles if you do not wish to read them in their entirity. Although some points do need restating to make their full point. At some point merely quoting the quote of the quote does not get the point accross.

Some people are drastically opposed to change no matter how minor or how much it is needed. I am glad you are enjoying things as is. I would just like to see things made better.

That AE is being used as it was intended, if even only by a few, is good to hear actually. I probably would have if it were not for the horrible lag and the lack of a map editor.

Abjects get moved all the time in the game, just look at the sg portal in Talos. it has moved behind the trainer. and it happens to be between the train and AE and Wents is right behind the train. I do believe this was an attempt to make a super lag hole of galatic purportions. One that would create a force strong enought that the more lag it generated the more lag it attracted until all lag would be drawn in the this ever spanning casim of doom. I am sorry I digress. must have ran one too missions with a grav troller.

but more on point the vangard buildings are in atlas and have been for some time. they lead to the rwz, why not have the AE buildings all lead to the ae zone. no major rewrite needed, just a simplification of the code to port everyone to one zone instead of allocating a portion of every server to AE and its an active connection to the ae database. one server, one connection. you would have simplicity and greater throughput. resulting in faster response times and higher player satisfaction and an over all decrease in lag even with ae itself. it would in fact be a win win. I believe that the current configuration was done of of the desire to reduce the initial cost of resources and to reduce cost as well. and a Rezoning of ae might have been planned all along as it progressed. It would have been logical. Could you imagine if they had spent the resources and funds on an entirely new zone/servers routers and so forth and ae was used only a much as pocket D in the off season? That would have been a huge loss. But as it turned out it is in huge demand for what ever reason and moving it to its own zone like the rwz are only makes too much sense now.

for could you imagine if instead of just one zone for the rikti they had crashed ships in every zone? and were running amuck constantly within a certain range? and to have sucha ship near the train wents/black market or trainers? yes, now that would pose some serious issues indeed. no giving the rikti their own zone was prudent and establishing ae initially as they did was so as well. but it it time for ae to grow to the next step. Change is good, at least thats what the politicians say.

That is exactly the problem when any one portion of the game over shadows and hampers the rest it diminishes the overall enjoyment of the game.

I have flown by the AE building on my way to pay the SG rent in Atlas and was put through a sucession of Map Serves and finally DC'd reconnected and repeated again. Now I am not the brightest bulb in the package but when you have to re-log over 5 times just to get away from a simple building just so you can pay your rent, there is a problem. ( and why we cant set up auto bill pay from our local paragon bank I dont know. If the water company can figure out how to autopay the bill then youwuld think that a Hero or Villian of our caliber would be able to.)

Yes that is semi off topic but if you have to pay the bill at a speciffic location and said location is infested with lag and activities you would rather not subjugate to. The it is Semi on topic. Having an Auto bill pay would negate the need to go to atlas except for a cape mission or to get to the hollows if you are not a member of a SG. You can enter in Galaxy City and do anything else you need to else where but why should we have to give up something that is an intragl part of the game?

You can simply have an AE building right where it is and let it port you wherever to be on the inside. it does not need to have the pretty windows to be functional. maybe a nice feature but after 5 minutes of that do you keep on looking out the window in an online game? and even that can be simulated so as to preserve the look of AE.

Many things turned out to be what was not initially intended. I believe an famous author one said "good intentions line the stairway to hell". Firts and foremost CoX is a RPG, Role Playing Game. not an arcade where you see how high you can score. how much role playing can be had just running the same mission over and over. not much charater development can come from that. I have found several high level characters that did not know where basic points were, like Striga Isle. I have actually brought farmers along in a mission who whined that it was going to be boring and they had the time of their life. Even stating that "This is not boring like my friends said it was this is fun." And this was even with a few deaths. An almost instant res by our healer might have helped somewhat. but the over all reation was one that the "real" game was more entertaining than AE.

I do hope you are right on that count. The amount of farming is attrocious. People lagging down the game in an attempt to make a profit of the lazy are not very heroic. Villianous perhaps, but not heroic. No offense to any villians out there.

Actually the Devs do have a problem with farming. Why would they will take actions against you if you get caught buying a pl or inf, if farming were ok with them.

Actually how do you know that what you are seeing is actually outside the building? you don't. if you are talking about a player flying up and then entering the door. that can be a programed entrance visual. But then again how many people go to AE to look out the windows?

AE may be an alternate means of playing the game but it makes it more out to be an arcade game and trying to get the high score than anything else.