Warshade Newbie

This isn't just the Kheld forums. People don't write guides anymore. I can remember the day when every second person to hit 50 (being a big deal at the time) celebrated with writing a guide. I did the elec/eng blast guide back in Issue 2 (long deprecated by ED). Go to any AT forum now and you won't find build guides much newer then I11.

I asked a friend who is a prolific guide writer why he stopped. "Too much board drama" he said. "You make a target of yourself and everyone with a different opinion tries to rip you down."

I've spent the last couple of weeks grinding Ouroboros badges. Some of the debuff conditions for the badges are pretty nasty. "Enhancements have no effect" or "Character is under debuff" which is the equivalent of doing an entire arc with Vahzilok wasting disease minus the flies. Dwarf, which I otherwise don't use much, has been a godsend. Double Mire has compensated for floored accuracy and gotten me through Rikti Magus fights where inspirations were disabled.

Check my sig for an i16 guide on human-form Warshading.

"Alien"

Originally Posted by Infernus_Hades The way you play changes your IO slotting..

Not to cause an arguement or anything but you used the phrase "I think it's faster" and that begs correction.

I have had quite a bit of practice on the Roman wall and Nova is definately the best form to use (Assuming speed is the goal), and here is why:

I don't really find a need to use any kind of stun because firstly if you are a bit slow they will get in a [Shout] and shrug it off, and secondly because after Eclipse you don't really need anything else since you wont take much damage and can heal it up afterwards anyway.

I use a recharge build too (Perma-Hasten) and Unchain Essence is up every ~60 seconds (Or would be if I had it) and there is no way I would be able to use that on anything other than 1 group in 3 (At most), plus the KB will scatter the mobs to prevent you making the best use of AoE, and might even knock a few over the side.

The way I do it is to target the Surgeon and fly up to to furthest away roman and open with Emination, then Detonation and maybe a single target attack if I still need to finish the Surgeon (Depends if he heals himself just before or just after my first attack). Then I would back up and AoE until the group is dead, before dropping to human for a pet.

I can't think there is any way a Warshade could be faster without using Nova (Accounting for slotting of course), because after Eclipse it is all about damage, and Nova causes the most damage outside of the odd few powers like Unchain Essence that cannot be used every spawn.

I worked it out somewhere in another thread but I am pretty sure that without accounting for misses it only takes ~12 seconds to clear up to 15 minions and 1 lt (The AoE cap being 16). The Roman groups usually only have 1 lt and 9 minions so almost always fall in that time, you can add 3 seconds on to that if they are +1's or +2's, but again you will be taking time off that considering the pets. After the mob is down you can add in a few seconds for Stygian Circle, back to Nova and move on.

I know those times seem a bit fast, but I summon a pet every 3 spawns on average and that is including stopping to target a Surgeon and line up (I hardly race along at farming speed), and the pets recharge every ~65 seconds so it does work out about that.

Edit: If you can use Unchain Essence 2 out of every 3 mobs that sounds like you are taking ~40 seconds to kill a group, which is about half the speed it can be done in Nova.
Pre-i13 (I think it was 13?) I had Black Dwarf, but slotted it mainly for recharge bonus' and tanking, as soon as Black Dwarf Mire was changed I did a respec to get more slots in it and have never looked back, Black Dwarf Mire is the new PSW

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Originally Posted by Aggelakis PrincessDarkstar: "RAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHH SOMEONE IS *WRONG* ON THE INTERNET!"

I don't believe you have a complete understanding of Unchain Essence. Using it will not KB more than 1 (maybe 2) enemies in the group (if that), unless the entire group cons grey to you. It has a "chance" to KB, just like all the other attacks. It's not like Quasar.

On top of that, you're fighting Romans. How often do you see them flying back on any attack other than Nova attacks?

In fact, even using Dark Detonation on them only winds up knocking them down most of the time, not back.

I have proof of all my statements on video, if you'd like to see it, so you don't think I'm pulling some random statements out my butt, as some might think.

"Alien"

*EDIT*
I just went on Test Server and timed myself with my human form on a few of the mobs up at the top of the wall in Cimerora....

My fastest time was 11 seconds.

And Unchain Essence didn't KB a single foe. in fact, it didn't even knock them down.

And Quasar isn't even in my build.

Originally Posted by Infernus_Hades The way you play changes your IO slotting..

Yeah you are right, I haven't used Unchain Essence for a long time so actually had to look at mids for the numbers, I assumed the chance to KB was 100% since it didn't mention otherwise.

It is a power I will be respeccing into for i16 though.

I have learned to trust you when you say things like this so I believe what you say, and that is about what I would have guessed a good human time is with a few pets (I assume you had pets out?), I tend to ignore the pets when doing my calculations, but remember one glorious time when me and 3 pets wiped out the Romans in the first attack (I assume their chance to build up proc had gone off on some nearby wanderers we killed before attacking the spawn).

In general though I would think in this particular case Nova is still going to be faster since damage is all this is about really.

Edit: Tomorrow if I get time before I go out I will check out the proper maths (Exluding pets) for both human only and Nova using similar slotting. They won't be far apart though, human isn't bad, its just not Nova

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Originally Posted by Aggelakis PrincessDarkstar: "RAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHH SOMEONE IS *WRONG* ON THE INTERNET!"

Originally Posted by Infernus_Hades The way you play changes your IO slotting..

Romans are the worst mobs when they start to outlevel you, going up against +2's my accuracy starts dropping dramatically.

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Originally Posted by Aggelakis PrincessDarkstar: "RAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHH SOMEONE IS *WRONG* ON THE INTERNET!"