Well BS/WP can get the job done with the right build. You have Parry to soft capped you Melee Def so all you need to build for is Def and regen. Other combos can solo better some worst. Here are just some quick view on other combos.
DM/SD-If you have the Inf like 2 bill that it is the best. It will have soft capped defense and a heal and does crazy damage. The damage is also not a common Resisted type so you can solo a lot of AVs.
DM/Sr while doesn't do as good as damage as a Dm/SD it can get to the soft capped a lot easyer. It doesn't cost as much as DM/SD but it is still not cheap. It as the same reason as DM/SD why it is good soft capped Defense with a heal, and a damage that is not common resisted so you can solo a lot of AVs.
Fire/SR- This is the cheap man AV solo. With Fire/SR you can get a great attack chain with little help. /SR is not hard to soft capped too. So that doesn't take a lot of inf to do. Again it is a damage that is not resisted a lot so you can solo more AVs.
those are 3 of the best IMO, there are other that can do it too. These ones just the one I like the most.
All can be made with Soft capped Defense, high regen and High recharge if you put the inf into the build. SJ works great too because like said CJ is used to help soft capped the defense.
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Originally Posted by Shazaym
Been playing around with scrappers a lot recently, which is something new and refreshing for me because I've mainly played controllers in the past.
I'm at a point where I have my farming toons sorted and slotted, but I still don't have a viable AV killer. Obvious choice for this role would be a scrapper, like duh no kidding Sherlock. I've got a BS/WP sitting at 50, but it's so end heavy that I'm not sure if it could do the job easily. I'm open to rolling another toon (yes I have altitis, and yes this will give me another excuse to feed that addiction). The criteria that I have is as follows: 1. The only primary that I don't want to use is Spines, and I say that because the pulsing sound effects of the spines really drive me crazy, and I just don't like it graphically. I like blades (kat, bs and db), but I'm still open to claws, dm, fm, and even ma (although from what I can gather ma wouldn't be the best choice). 2. I want something that can soft cap the defenses (melee, aoe, and ranged) 3. I would prefer a secondary of SD, SR, or WP. Kinda like the idea of a sword wielding SD purely from a visual standpoint, but I'm really open to any of those three secondaries. 4. In addition to the soft cap defense I would also like high regen, and enough recharge to make the build AV viable. 5. Finally, I want super jump as a travel power - which probably plays out well for wanting soft cap defense given that CJ is the pre-req for it. What I really mean here is that I don't really want to sacrifice a travel power to get all of the above. Is this viable? If not what do I have to sacrifice and still be a viable AV killer? Anybody have any suggestions with possible builds? I'm not too concerned with build costs, because I have toons that I can farm with -especially with i16 just around the corner, so purple builds don't worry me too much. Appreciate any help. |
1.) I also can't stand the animations for Spines, so...I hear you.
2.) Super Reflexes and then Shield Defense are going to be the easiest to Soft Cap, obviously, but...
3.) Any of those are good, but I personally prefer Willpower. It's a tough secondary and Quick Recovery+Stamina is a big help when it comes to soloing AV's.
4.) Well, as for this, all I can say is, plan to spend some Influence on IO's. Personally, I like to buy as many things as I can with Merits so I run Task Forces as much as possible. Plus, running the core TF's gets you the TF Commander Accolade, which will add to your Hit Points--a must for AV soloing.
5.) Combat Jumping should fit seamlessly into your build. It's practically endurance free and just an all around great power to have.
6.) I'd also like to add that, unless you're gonna go with Willpower or Regeneration, Endurance will be a concern. /Shield might not be the most Endurance intensive secondary out there, but you're going to have to compensate for how long some of these AV fights can take. I would highly reccomend investing in a Miracle +Recovery as well as a Numina's +Regeneration, +Recovery for starters.
Also, I wouldn't rule out some other sets. I was just mentioning /Shield based on your criteria. Dark Melee is another favorite for AV soloing what with having an attack that heals as well as decent DPS. My personal favorite AV soloing toon is my Dark Melee/Willpower Scrapper.
I'm sure some others will give you some more detailed, useful advice, but there's my two cents.
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Wow, yeah. I had no idea. I thought it was only Dual Blades that wouldn't work with Shields. Huh.
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Really? How come? Do the animations not fit? I'm not arguing, I just didn't know.
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Really? How come? Do the animations not fit? I'm not arguing, I just didn't know.
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Appreciate the response, thank you. What AV's would give me trouble with DM/SD or Fire/SR? Which of the two would be capable of soloing the most AV's. Probably leaning more towards the fire/sr of the two, more because while I dont have 2 bil inf right now, its something that would be attainable over time. In the mean time, and as you pointed out, fire/sr would be up and running a lot quicker.|
Originally Posted by BrokenPrey
DM/SD-If you have the Inf like 2 bill that it is the best. It will have soft capped defense and a heal and does crazy damage. The damage is also not a common Resisted type so you can solo a lot of AVs. DM/Sr while doesn't do as good as damage as a Dm/SD it can get to the soft capped a lot easyer. It doesn't cost as much as DM/SD but it is still not cheap. It as the same reason as DM/SD why it is good soft capped Defense with a heal, and a damage that is not common resisted so you can solo a lot of AVs. Fire/SR- This is the cheap man AV solo. With Fire/SR you can get a great attack chain with little help. /SR is not hard to soft capped too. So that doesn't take a lot of inf to do. Again it is a damage that is not resisted a lot so you can solo more AVs. |
Guess I will search around to see if I can find builds for both DM/SD and Fire/SR.
I'd stick with Broad Sword/Willpower unless you just want to level something new up. It's easy to get Willpower to sustainable endurance. You'll be at the lowish end of the damage scale, but still enough to take out AVs.
If you want to start something new, I agree with BrokenPrey's recommendations.
Dark Melee/Shield Defense could probably solo the most AVs. The incredible single target DPS gives you access to the 50% resistant ones, and also gives you the speed to take out Ghost Widow before she lands her death hold.
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I looked around on the forums for a BS/WP build for soloing AV's, but couldn't seem to find one. Looked to me like BS wasn't too popular for that line of work for some reason. If anybody has a BS/WP build saved on mids I would certainly be willing to look at that more. I like the character, and I like willpower.
Hey Werner,
More questions.
I'm confused, I thought BS was High damage.
Isn't the sight of BIG orange numbers the reason (aside from concept) that people take BS.
A previous post said BS has high burst damage and Katana has high DPS.
What gives?
I know you build to the optimal attack chain so wouldnt your attack chain be basically perma burst damage?
So assuming high recharge and enough recovery, wouldnt BS be at the higher end of the damage scale?
Or was the low end of the damage scale statement taking into account SL being heavily resisted and thus reducing the amount of actual damage taken to BS attacks verses the amount of Fire or Dark resistance lessening the amount of actual damage taken when an AV is hit by those attacks?
Feel The Burn
Broad Sword DOES have high burst damage and spits out really big orange numbers, but that won't matter for AVs. For AVs, you're talking about sustained damage per second. And Broad Sword isn't as impressive for DPS, particularly if you're spamming Parry to keep your defenses high, as you would when soloing AVs. It's ENOUGH, but it's nothing impressive. You're not going to have perma burst, because Build Up is part of the burst, and it isn't perma. And yeah, Fire and Dark will also be a little less resisted, probably.
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BS is high damage, but also slow activation, in high end IO builds you're limited by activation times, also being lethal damage it's big orange numbers are going to be neutered somewhat.
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Hey Werner,
More questions. I'm confused, I thought BS was High damage. Isn't the sight of BIG orange numbers the reason (aside from concept) that people take BS. A previous post said BS has high burst damage and Katana has high DPS. What gives? |
So between
DB and Katana for AV soloing
Which one is better DPS?
Which one is better EPS?
Assuming WP as the secondary would Katana be more surviveable because of DA or would having DAs melee DEF allow different slotting choices that open up other options?
Or is it a 6 of one 1/2 a dozen of the other type of thing.
Or perhaps a "How fast can it go? That depends, how much money you got?" type of deal?
Feel The Burn
For DPS and EPS, it does depend on budget. At the absolute top end, they put out comparable DPS for comparable EPS with the nod going to Katana on both scores by a very small margin. But Katana can get there at significantly lower recharge than Dual Blades, so I would suggest it even if it weren't for Divine Avalanche. And Divine Avalanche is very useful. So between the two, I would definitely recommend Katana/Willpower.
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between Katana and DB, I'd say Katana, because you'll want to put the Achilles Heel proc in, (it makes a huge diff) and I'm not sure DB takes it (may be wrong, never fully IOed a DB)
On a brief side note - Broadsword is a beautiful thing, but it's not a cheap option to get the best from, it takes a lot of recharge to get the optimum attack chain. (& it also takes the AH proc) I think it gets a bum rap, but stick with it, it's awesome
And hey, Us Scrappers are soon to be getting Pyre mastery, which means Melt Armor (presumably)
Which is going to put us WAY ahead in the AV killing landscape, which is as it should be, Boss killing is what our AT does right?
(At least it will for any build that doesn't need Conserve Power,and WP definitely doesn't)
Been playing around with scrappers a lot recently, which is something new and refreshing for me because I've mainly played controllers in the past.
I'm at a point where I have my farming toons sorted and slotted, but I still don't have a viable AV killer. Obvious choice for this role would be a scrapper, like duh no kidding Sherlock. I've got a BS/WP sitting at 50, but it's so end heavy that I'm not sure if it could do the job easily.
I'm open to rolling another toon (yes I have altitis, and yes this will give me another excuse to feed that addiction). The criteria that I have is as follows:
1. The only primary that I don't want to use is Spines, and I say that because the pulsing sound effects of the spines really drive me crazy, and I just don't like it graphically. I like blades (kat, bs and db), but I'm still open to claws, dm, fm, and even ma (although from what I can gather ma wouldn't be the best choice).
2. I want something that can soft cap the defenses (melee, aoe, and ranged)
3. I would prefer a secondary of SD, SR, or WP. Kinda like the idea of a sword wielding SD purely from a visual standpoint, but I'm really open to any of those three secondaries.
4. In addition to the soft cap defense I would also like high regen, and enough recharge to make the build AV viable.
5. Finally, I want super jump as a travel power - which probably plays out well for wanting soft cap defense given that CJ is the pre-req for it. What I really mean here is that I don't really want to sacrifice a travel power to get all of the above.
Is this viable? If not what do I have to sacrifice and still be a viable AV killer? Anybody have any suggestions with possible builds?
I'm not too concerned with build costs, because I have toons that I can farm with -especially with i16 just around the corner, so purple builds don't worry me too much.
Appreciate any help.