within the fire aura primary, there is no defense. none, zero.
to build def on fire tanks, you need to start with cj, weave, then plan to spend a bunch on IOs
Dark Armor is like that kid you knew in school that didn't know when to shut up, and no matter how bad he got beaten down, he got right back up again and kept on talking.
With mine, I went for about 22-23% defense to Melee, AOE, Ranged, and Psychic, to cover all my bases. It works pretty well. Defense debuffs erase that quickly, of course, but it does help... anything reducing the amount of damage and debuffs hitting you is a win.
I know some others focus on getting their Melee or Smashing and Lethal defense as high as possible. I'd have to fiddle with Mid's a bit, but my guess is that getting in the 30% range to those wouldn't be THAT hard (it'd cost a fair amount in IOs, but might not break the bank), but would be tougher the higher you went.
I prefer my approach, of course, so I have pretty much the same defense no matter what I'm facing, and I can count on that whether it's Carnies, crazy creatures in FBZ, or Cimerorans. Recharge is the other nice thing to have, for Healing Flames. It does well for me, but nothing wrong with trying for a bunch of Smashing/Lethal, as that's so common.
Guide: Tanking, Wall of Fire Style (Updated for I19!), and the Four Rules of Tanking
Story Arc: Belated Justice, #88003
Synopsis: Explore the fine line between justice and vengeance as you help a hero of Talos Island bring his friend's murderer to justice.
Grey Pilgrim: Fire/Fire Tanker (50), Victory
One of the IOs you'll want to look for is Steadfast Protection: Resistance/Defense. It adds a global +3% Defense to everything (all positions, all types). It's generally fairly inexpensive, compared to some of the IO stuff out there (by which I mean, it's probably only a million or so Inf).
If you build for melee defence, you can do something stupid like this, runs at 44% melee defence and could be capped in several ways, the PvP IO being the only one that wouldn't require undue sacrifices other than a lot of cash.
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It's true. This game is NOT rocket surgery. - BillZBubba
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You can soft capped melee defense and get around 30% or so ranged without breaking the bank (depending on what you consider breaking the bank is of course). I tend not to worry about AOE defense all that much (which can come back to bite in certain circumstances).|
Originally Posted by Furburger
I'm building my fire tank for +def. Just a question out there for all you fire tankers out there. What are your Def numbers???
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Having built for both typed and positional, a smarter way to go on a Fire Tanker would be to pony up the bucks for Kinetic Combats and soft cap S/L defense instead. That will cover all positions for 90%+ of the content in the game ... but it's a lot more expensive and you'll lose a ton of recharge.
Right on thanks for the input guys.
I have capped S/L and just under 25% for ranged.
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Nice. I got a bit over S/L cap, but only around 20% for ranged. I should work on that a little more.|
Originally Posted by jthig32
I have capped S/L and just under 25% for ranged.
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Edit: Is that build using the PvP IO? Even though I can afford it, I refuse to pay 500M for the stupid thing, or whatever it's going for these days.
An Offensive Guide to Ice Melee
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No. I've kicked around picking it up, but haven't yet.|
Originally Posted by dave_p
Nice. I got a bit over S/L cap, but only around 20% for ranged. I should work on that a little more.
Edit: Is that build using the PvP IO? Even though I can afford it, I refuse to pay 500M for the stupid thing, or whatever it's going for these days. |
Now that I looked at my actual build, my Ranged is actually 22.8%, so not quite "just under 25%".
I currently run a Firetank without Stamina and without Fight Pool. No defense 
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Edit: And no she is not a lowbie
(Rebel)Edit: And no she is not a lowbie
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
I have an offensive alternative build that isn't grabbing the Fighting Pool. Just slotted with common IOs at the moment, but the goal there is +damage and +recharge. Not sure I'd want to main tank with it on the new TFs, but it'd be fine against most content.
Guide: Tanking, Wall of Fire Style (Updated for I19!), and the Four Rules of Tanking
Story Arc: Belated Justice, #88003
Synopsis: Explore the fine line between justice and vengeance as you help a hero of Talos Island bring his friend's murderer to justice.
Grey Pilgrim: Fire/Fire Tanker (50), Victory
my fire Tank has 46% melee defense
I use Steath instead of maneuvers
I love tanking on him more then I do my Granite brute
Bruce-lee,scrapper,MA/SR 50 (H) Pinnacle
Fire-d Star,tanker, Fire/fire 50 (H) Pinnacle
Something Ugly, Brute, Elec/stone 50 (V) Pinnacle
I know a lot of us have touched upon this in other various threads, but you're really not giving up *that* much offense on these def-capped builds. The only thing I'm *really* missing on my S/L capped build is Hasten, which is big considering Fire's reliance on HF, but w/a high def, you usually don't need it so much either. All the big attacks are there, capped for ED and recharging a bit slower than w/Hasten, but not a ton. Personally, I'm much, much happier w/my Fire tank at cap than before when he was more of a scranker.
An Offensive Guide to Ice Melee
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Is that 46% after the def from Stealth suppresses? I can't remember what the pool power suppresses to, but I know SI from Illusion suppresses to half (others like Steamy Mist don't suppress at all, which is great for my Stormies and Colds |
Originally Posted by scraps_ifound
my fire Tank has 46% melee defense
I use Steath instead of maneuvers |
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An Offensive Guide to Ice Melee
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Originally Posted by dave_p
Is that 46% after the def from Stealth suppresses? I can't remember what the pool power suppresses to, but I know SI from Illusion suppresses to half (others like Steamy Mist don't suppress at all, which is great for my Stormies and Colds
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ya it does I just checked..
oh well I guess I'll go with maneuvers
Bruce-lee,scrapper,MA/SR 50 (H) Pinnacle
Fire-d Star,tanker, Fire/fire 50 (H) Pinnacle
Something Ugly, Brute, Elec/stone 50 (V) Pinnacle
it goes down to 44.47%
so if I took Blazing Aura and slotted it with mulitistrike I could get to 45% but I don't notice the difference
Bruce-lee,scrapper,MA/SR 50 (H) Pinnacle
Fire-d Star,tanker, Fire/fire 50 (H) Pinnacle
Something Ugly, Brute, Elec/stone 50 (V) Pinnacle
I'm sure how to use mid's hero builder so if this comes out as nonsense I'm sorry
Hero Plan by Mids' Hero Designer 1.401
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Level 50 Technology Tanker
Primary Power Set: Fiery Aura
Secondary Power Set: Fiery Melee
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Ancillary Pool: Energy Mastery
Hero Profile:
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Level 1: Fire Shield TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx(A), TtmC'tng-ResDam/Rchg(7), TtmC'tng-EndRdx/Rchg(7), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(19), TtmC'tng-ResDam(19), TtmC'tng-EndRdx(34)
Level 1: Scorch Acc-I(A)
Level 2: Healing Flames Numna-Heal/Rchg(A), Numna-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(3), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(3), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(42)
Level 4: Combustion Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(5), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(5), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(9), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(9), Oblit-%Dam(43)
Level 6: Hurdle Jump(A)
Level 8: Combat Jumping DefBuff-I(A)
Level 10: Consume Efficacy-EndMod(A), Efficacy-EndMod/Rchg(11), Efficacy-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(11), Efficacy-Acc/Rchg(46), Efficacy-EndMod/Acc(48), Efficacy-EndMod/EndRdx(50)
Level 12: Plasma Shield TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx(A), TtmC'tng-ResDam/Rchg(13), TtmC'tng-EndRdx/Rchg(13), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(15), TtmC'tng-ResDam(15), TtmC'tng-EndRdx(46)
Level 14: Blazing Aura M'Strk-Acc/Dmg(A), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx(17), M'Strk-Dmg/Rchg(17), M'Strk-Acc/EndRdx(42), M'Strk-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(45), M'Strk-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(46)
Level 16: Super Jump SprngFt-EndRdx/Jump(A)
Level 18: Health Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(A)
Level 20: Stamina EndMod-I(A), EndMod-I(21), EndMod-I(21)
Level 22: Build Up GSFC-ToHit(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg(23), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(23), GSFC-Rchg/EndRdx(25), GSFC-ToHit/EndRdx(25), GSFC-Build%(45)
Level 24: Boxing Acc-I(A)
Level 26: Maneuvers DefBuff-I(A), DefBuff-I(27), DefBuff-I(27)
Level 28: Fire Sword Circle Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(29), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(29), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(37), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(40), Oblit-%Dam(43)
Level 30: Tough S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), S'fstPrt-ResKB(31), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx(31), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(31), TtmC'tng-ResDam(37)
Level 32: Rise of the Phoenix Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(33), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(33), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(33), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(34), Oblit-%Dam(34)
Level 35: Weave RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(A), RedFtn-Def/Rchg(36), RedFtn-EndRdx/Rchg(36), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(36), RedFtn-EndRdx(37)
Level 38: Greater Fire Sword T'Death-Acc/Dmg(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx(39), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg(39), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(39), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(40), T'Death-Dam%(40)
Level 41: Incinerate T'Death-Acc/Dmg(A), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx(43), T'Death-Dmg/Rchg(48), T'Death-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(48), T'Death-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(50), T'Death-Dam%(50)
Level 44: Fiery Embrace RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(45)
Level 47: Conserve Power RechRdx-I(A)
Level 49: Taunt Empty(A)
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Level 1: Brawl Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Rest Empty(A)
Level 1: Gauntlet
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Set Bonus Totals:
21% DamageBuff(Smashing)
21% DamageBuff(Lethal)
21% DamageBuff(Fire)
21% DamageBuff(Cold)
21% DamageBuff(Energy)
21% DamageBuff(Negative)
21% DamageBuff(Toxic)
21% DamageBuff(Psionic)
17.1% Defense(Smashing)
17.1% Defense(Lethal)
5.19% Defense(Fire)
5.19% Defense(Cold)
4.25% Defense(Energy)
4.25% Defense(Negative)
3% Defense(Psionic)
31.1% Defense(Melee)
5.5% Defense(Ranged)
7.38% Defense(AoE)
25% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
27% Enhancement(Accuracy)
5% FlySpeed
196.8 HP (10.5%) HitPoints
5% JumpHeight
5% JumpSpeed
Knockback (Mag -4)
Knockup (Mag -4)
MezResist(Held) 11%
MezResist(Immobilize) 7.7%
MezResist(Sleep) 8.25%
MezResist(Stun) 12.7%
MezResist(Terrorized) 2.2%
5.5% (0.09 End/sec) Recovery
22% (1.72 HP/sec) Regeneration
2.21% Resistance(Fire)
2.21% Resistance(Cold)
5% RunSpeed
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Set Bonuses:
Titanium Coating
(Fire Shield)
MezResist(Sleep) 2.2%
28.1 HP (1.5%) HitPoints
MezResist(Stun) 2.2%
MezResist(Held) 2.75%
2.5% Defense(Melee), 1.25% Defense(Lethal), 1.25% Defense(Smashing)
Numina's Convalescence
(Healing Flames)
12% (0.94 HP/sec) Regeneration
Doctored Wounds
(Healing Flames)
MezResist(Terrorized) 2.2%
Obliteration
(Combustion)
MezResist(Stun) 2.2%
3% DamageBuff(All)
9% Enhancement(Accuracy)
5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
3.75% Defense(Melee), 1.88% Defense(Lethal), 1.88% Defense(Smashing)
Efficacy Adaptor
(Consume)
21.1 HP (1.13%) HitPoints
1.5% (0.03 End/sec) Recovery
10% (0.78 HP/sec) Regeneration
2.5% DamageBuff(All)
5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
Titanium Coating
(Plasma Shield)
MezResist(Sleep) 2.2%
28.1 HP (1.5%) HitPoints
MezResist(Stun) 2.2%
MezResist(Held) 2.75%
2.5% Defense(Melee), 1.25% Defense(Lethal), 1.25% Defense(Smashing)
Multi Strike
(Blazing Aura)
MezResist(Sleep) 1.65%
0.95% Resistance(Fire,Cold)
MezResist(Stun) 1.65%
1.88% Defense(AoE), 0.94% Defense(Fire), 0.94% Defense(Cold)
1.88% Defense(Melee), 0.94% Defense(Lethal), 0.94% Defense(Smashing)
Gaussian's Synchronized Fire-Control
(Build Up)
5% JumpSpeed, 5% JumpHeight, 5% FlySpeed, 5% RunSpeed
35.1 HP (1.88%) HitPoints
2.5% (0.04 End/sec) Recovery
2.5% DamageBuff(All)
2.5% Defense(Melee), 1.25% Defense(Lethal), 1.25% Defense(Smashing), 2.5% Defense(Ranged), 1.25% Defense(Energy), 1.25% Defense(Negative), 2.5% Defense(AoE), 1.25% Defense(Fire), 1.25% Defense(Cold)
Obliteration
(Fire Sword Circle)
MezResist(Stun) 2.2%
3% DamageBuff(All)
9% Enhancement(Accuracy)
5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
3.75% Defense(Melee), 1.88% Defense(Lethal), 1.88% Defense(Smashing)
Steadfast Protection
(Tough)
1.5% (0.03 End/sec) Recovery
3% Defense(All)
Knockback Protection (Mag -4)
Titanium Coating
(Tough)
MezResist(Sleep) 2.2%
28.1 HP (1.5%) HitPoints
Obliteration
(Rise of the Phoenix)
MezResist(Stun) 2.2%
3% DamageBuff(All)
9% Enhancement(Accuracy)
5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
3.75% Defense(Melee), 1.88% Defense(Lethal), 1.88% Defense(Smashing)
Red Fortune
(Weave)
MezResist(Immobilize) 2.2%
1.26% Resistance(Fire,Cold)
2% DamageBuff(All)
5% Enhancement(RechargeTime)
Touch of Death
(Greater Fire Sword)
MezResist(Immobilize) 2.75%
28.1 HP (1.5%) HitPoints
2.5% DamageBuff(All)
MezResist(Held) 2.75%
3.75% Defense(Melee), 1.88% Defense(Lethal), 1.88% Defense(Smashing)
Touch of Death
(Incinerate)
MezResist(Immobilize) 2.75%
28.1 HP (1.5%) HitPoints
2.5% DamageBuff(All)
MezResist(Held) 2.75%
3.75% Defense(Melee), 1.88% Defense(Lethal), 1.88% Defense(Smashing)
Bruce-lee,scrapper,MA/SR 50 (H) Pinnacle
Fire-d Star,tanker, Fire/fire 50 (H) Pinnacle
Something Ugly, Brute, Elec/stone 50 (V) Pinnacle
What I'm doing on my fire/ tank is CJ, Hover, and Weave with the +defense Steadfast global in temp protection. It works rather nicely, I have 13% just from those alone unslotted, approaching 20% slotted. With sets, I'll be capping ranged defense (blastank concept, don't question the concept, just replace ranged with melee and you're gold.)
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Weatherby_Goode - "Heck, Carrion Creepers negates the knockdown from Carrion Creepers."
I'm building my fire tank for +def. Just a question out there for all you fire tankers out there. What are your Def numbers???