Night Widow vs Fortunata

From what I heard and tested. If you bring in a fort into PVP your mostly gonna be laughed at, since the damage decrease and elustivity decrease, making Forts, and I thinking widows not prime in PvP.

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Between I12 and I13, Forts were one of the top dueling and redside/mixed-team damage/control builds. You hardly ever saw Night Widows around, mostly because of the whole melee-vs-ranged disparity. After I13 the focus shifted to Night Widows because of the change to control powers, and because controlled crits, even in melee, made Night Widows viable as burst damage dealers. When elusivity and SoA damage were nerfed in I14, VEATs kind of took a backseat to the other ATs.

In regards to general PvE, I see a lot more Forts than I do NWs, probably mostly due to the ranged/control aspect. My VEAT was originally going to be a Fort (mixed PvE/PvP hybrid), but then I13 happened and I ended up going NW instead, and in retrospect I'm glad I did. Since the NW version of Mind Link recharges significantly faster than the Fort version, I found it much easier to perma ML and thereby get to the softcap without having to rely heavily on +recharge or +def set bonuses - really, it's much cheaper to make a good Night Widow build than it is to make a good Fort build.

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Thats a very different test; for that test, you'd also have to compare to 8 Defenders, who would win because they are designed to create powerful teams. But it would be a rare defender who could do the RWZ scrapper challenge, because mezz protect would be an issue for any defender with the basic powersets to have a chance of surviving.

My impression of the scrapper challenge rules is that you are allowed to run around to keep them out of melee range, but not kite them out to where they get separated and can't all attack you somehow. But I've never tried it on any character.

I'm hoping you spent more than 2B due to overpricing because otherwise you got robbed. The nice thing about Night Widows is that you do not need to spend a lot to get a great return on them. Spending that much is overkill at its finest.

i think tk blast, subdual, dominate is pretty fast

Indeed I find it a quick three attack myself. My chain usually goes.

Aim -> TK Blast -> Subdual ->Dominate -> follow up ->Repeat with TK

Add in Gloom or Mu Lightning and it's a very solid ST attack chain.

Add in 3 decent ranged AoE attacks (3 with a patron), 2 solid controls (if you can get the recharge down) and Fort's Psychic Wail, which is both, and Forts are just scary when facing a large number of weak enemies.

Night Widows, on the other hand, are extremely strong ST killers due to their high DPA.

Both only suffer from one curse, really: the same curse that any squishy with softcapped defence suffers: it doesn't always work when you need it.

It works a lot more than it doesn't work though so its really not much of an issue.

The main real problem is that since overall VEATs have little to no appreciable DDR, they can easily succumb to defense cascade and become very vulnerable (besides the scaling res that widows have, and crabs have moderate res), and autohit -def (earth thorn casters) are murder.