Will the Gaussian's Chance for BU have multiple chances to proc in Soul Drain?
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ClawsandEffect,
Posted on: 2009-08-02 15:07 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
It would only have a chance to fire once each time you use the power.
Unless you're specifically trying to avoid it, you're better off putting in the 6 piece Obliteration rather than Gaussian's simply because Gaussian's doesn't have +acc nor much +rech, both of which are integral to Soul Drain's effectiveness. Depending on what AT you're taking it on, either go with Tactics or Focused Accuracy/Targetting Drone to get that sweet Gaussian's Set bonus because at least then you'll be getting useful slotting out of it.
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Originally Posted by Combat
Just wandering whether it would be beneficial or not to put the proc in. I'd to do so anyway (for the +3% defense) but I want to know if it would actually work well in the power.
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- Gaussians only offers 2.5% defence to all positions. This, annoyingly, overlaps with both Thunderstrike and Red Fortune.
- The proc checks its chance for each opponent struck. If you therefore fire the a 5% proc in a crowd of 10 guys, you'd have a (.95*.95*.95*.95*.95*.95*.95*.95*.95*.95*) chance of it not firing - about 35%. It's pretty decent, especially if you herd up.
- I am not certain, however, if the proc can fire multiple times in one activation. The odds of it happening twice (if it's a 5% like I remember it being) would be a .25% (not 2.5, but .25), so pretty long shot.
Yeah, I was planning on using Obliteration instead of Gaussian if the proc didn't work quite like I thought.
My thoughts were that it would have a change to proc for each enemy, and it seems like that is true.
I think I was unclear when I said "proc multiple times". I meant have a greater chance to proc because each enemy would give it a chance to proc. Thinking of another, similiar proc (the Force Feedback +recharge), I probably could have guessed that it would be set to not stack.
Thanks for the help!
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If you have Gaussian's proc in Tactics leadership, the game checks once every 10s?
What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
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Yes. All procs in toggles and passive powers check once every 10 seconds.
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Originally Posted by Jibikao
If you have Gaussian's proc in Tactics leadership, the game checks once every 10s?
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Cool thanks. I know the game checks once in 10s for proc damage but not too sure about self-buffs.
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Originally Posted by Umbral_NA
Yes. All procs in toggles and passive powers check once every 10 seconds.
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What's left is to normalize all Assassin Strikes and improve Stalker's old sets (Claw, MA and EM)! You don't need to bring back the missing PbAoE attack. You just need to make the existing ones better! For example, make Slice a WIDER and LONGER cone.
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Slight correction of the math; permutations will come into play here. Assuming the proc can fire multiple times and you land 10 hits on enemies: |
Originally Posted by Talen_Lee
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Triggered procs | Probability | No. of combinations | Final chance
0 0,598736939 1 0,598736939
1 0,03151247 10 0,315124705
2 0,001658551 45 0,074634799
3 8,72922E-05 120 0,010475059
4 4,59432E-06 210 0,000964808
5 2,41807E-07 252 6,09352E-05
6 1,27267E-08 210 2,6726E-06
7 6,69824E-10 120 8,03789E-08
8 3,52539E-11 45 1,58643E-09
9 1,85547E-12 10 1,85547E-11
10 9,76563E-14 1 9,76563E-14
Sum of chance: 1
I.e. - 59.9% chance it doesn't fire at all, 31.5% chance you land one chance for build up, 7.5% chance you land two chances for build up and it just goes downhill fast from there. Firing the proc on all 10 targets would happen roughly once in 10 000 billion attempts.
As pointed out, it's nice in a toggle - or maybe a rapid recharging ToHit-power like Follow up, but that wouldn't net you the 2.5% defence to all unless you disregard slotting it for accuracy, which may have you missing the tohit-check on enemies anyway.
Edit: Can't get the table formatted properly.
Nope, it gets the 5% chance to fire when you activate it...that's it.
It doesn't matter whether you have one enemy in range, 10 enemies, or none.
I asked the same question a while back. Interestingly enough, Soul Drain doesn't have to hit anything at all for the proc to fire.
The Theft of Essence Chance for +End will check on multiple targets, the Chance for BU ony checks once.
My plan was to 5 slot Scirocco's Dervish and the BU proc, but it was made clear that the BU proc would be a waste of a slot in that particular power.
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Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately. |
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That's not how the proc worked when it was introduced in issue 10/11 and I tested it. Nor how it worked when my SG mate tried this despite my warnings in issue 14. |
Originally Posted by Talen_Lee
The proc checks its chance for each opponent struck. If you therefore fire the a 5% proc in a crowd of 10 guys, you'd have a (.95*.95*.95*.95*.95*.95*.95*.95*.95*.95*) chance of it not firing - about 35%.
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I doubt that the proc has changed since then.
EDIT- To be specific, it checks the proc once per click of a skill. This is how a skill like BU, that targets no opponents, can fire it. Making the proc work with BU basically breaks any advantage that SD might have.
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*nods* I was making an assumption based on the way procs in AoE click powers work, conventionally speaking. Thanks for the elucidation.
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Originally Posted by JuliusSeizure
That's not how the proc worked when it was introduced in issue 10/11 and I tested it. Nor how it worked when my SG mate tried this despite my warnings in issue 14.
I doubt that the proc has changed since then. EDIT- To be specific, it procs per Click of a skill. This is how a skill like BU can fire it. By making the proc work with BU, it basically breaks and advantage that SD might have. |
In case anyone is wondering, it also doesn't proc once per affected target per ten seconds in Invincibility, nor in Tactics. More's the pity.
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Just wandering whether it would be beneficial or not to put the proc in. I'd to do so anyway (for the +3% defense) but I want to know if it would actually work well in the power.
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