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Ah in that case my response is why not yes there are other good power sets but why should that stop me suggesting ice?
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Suggestion: proliferate all powers to all ATs.
Right, now that's done we can shut down the Suggestions forum.
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Pfft once they've done that they can move on to making more new power sets there can never be to many sets IMO
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The point is, when they first started power proliferation, they said it was thier eventual intention to proliferate all powersets (with two exceptions, Empathy and Poison).
So Ice for Brutes is going to happen. Eventualy.
But by going on about it in the suggestions forum, you imply that Ice for Brutes should be a priority, when there are quite a few sets that would add more to brutes, and, more importantly, other ATs which could really do with a few more decient sets.
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1.Frozen Armour
2.Hoarfrost
3.Icicles
4.Wet Ice
5.Permafrost
6.Energy Absorption
7.Glacial Armour
8.Chilling Embrace
9.Hibernate
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1. Do you really think it is a good idea to put the end recovery power ahead of the E/NE Shield, pushing that back to level 28?
2. CE is a set defining power (along with Hibernate), if you are calling it a "take it or leave it" power, then why take Ice in the first place? Hibernate is a very poor tier 9 for a brute.
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1. to be honest I'm not sure how much it would matter as most attacks include smashing or lethal you would also have your heal to fall back on plus consistent attacking can add more to a brutes survival than a shield in many cases.
2a CE is a set defining power in the same way that CoF and OG are set defining powers for dark doesn't stop people skipping them
2b what makes a set defining power is often in the eye of the beholder personal being covered in ice defines the set for me not a single power that debuffs my foes
Hibernate is no worse than many other tier 9 powers for brutes god modes give you a few minutes of invulnerability and then leave you week as a kitten and self rez well rely on your death to do anything.
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Hibernate is no worse than many other tier 9 powers for brutes god modes give you a few minutes of invulnerability and then leave you week as a kitten and self rez well rely on your death to do anything.
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So you think that the AT most defined by shear aggression needs a power that is the ultimate passive defense? 
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2b what makes a set defining power is often in the eye of the beholder personal being covered in ice defines the set for me not a single power that debuffs my foes
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So really all you need is power customisation to make Energy Aura look like Ice, since you only want it for cosmetic reasons.
Set defining = what this set has that other sets don't. All Ice powers are available in other brute sets appart from CE and Hibernate (The +def component of EA becomes pretty worthless with the brute .75 defense scaling is applied, making it just a less powerful Power Sink clone).
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Ah in that case my response is why not yes there are other good power sets but why should that stop me suggesting ice?
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Ok.
Suggestion: proliferate all powers to all ATs.
Right, now that's done we can shut down the Suggestions forum.
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Pfft once they've done that they can move on to making more new power sets there can never be to many sets IMO
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The point is, when they first started power proliferation, they said it was thier eventual intention to proliferate all powersets (with two exceptions, Empathy and Poison).
So Ice for Brutes is going to happen. Eventualy.
But by going on about it in the suggestions forum, you imply that Ice for Brutes should be a priority, when there are quite a few sets that would add more to brutes, and, more importantly, other ATs which could really do with a few more decient sets.
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No what I'm implying is that i would like to see ice ported to brutes and what I'm suggesting is how i would do it
and considering this is a suggestion forum i recon I'm entitled to post a suggestion regardless of whether or not its eventually going to happen.
By your logic no one should suggest a set that will eventually be proliferated because it makes it look like that suggester is placing more important on that set than another which considering its a suggestion isn't really a surprise as its probably a set that person (me in this case) wants to see.
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and considering this is a suggestion forum i recon I'm entitled to post a suggestion regardless of whether or not its eventually going to happen
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Indeed. And other people are equally entitled to critise the suggestion because they think there are other things that would add more to the game and should be done first.
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Hibernate is no worse than many other tier 9 powers for brutes god modes give you a few minutes of invulnerability and then leave you week as a kitten and self rez well rely on your death to do anything.
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So you think that the AT most defined by shear aggression needs a power that is the ultimate passive defense?
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just because brutes are aggression incarnate doesn't mean they cant be defensive also as its a more effective version of rest it could be used to great effect between charging from mob to mob to regain some HP and END
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2b what makes a set defining power is often in the eye of the beholder personal being covered in ice defines the set for me not a single power that debuffs my foes
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So really all you need is power customisation to make Energy Aura look like Ice, since you only want it for cosmetic reasons.
Set defining = what this set has that other sets don't. All Ice powers are available in other brute sets appart from CE and Hibernate (The +def component of EA becomes pretty worthless with the brute .75 defense scaling is applied, making it just a less powerful Power Sink clone).
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No because it would still be energy with all the resistance passives that brings and i didn't say i wouldn't take CE as i would be taking it just as i take CoF and OG
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and considering this is a suggestion forum i recon I'm entitled to post a suggestion regardless of whether or not its eventually going to happen
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Indeed. And other people are equally entitled to critise the suggestion because they think there are other things that would add more to the game and should be done first.
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of course they are but I'm not gonna ignore those criticisms if i don't agree with the reasoning behind them.
I think you mean you "are" going to ignore the criticisms.
The criticisms are not for your benefit. In the off chance that the devs look at this, I don't want them to look at this thread and be tempted to push Ice for brutes higher up thier To Do list, ahead of those things that would actually add to the game and plug a gap where options are limited (i.e. Ice for stalkers).
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I think you mean you "are" going to ignore the criticisms.
The criticisms are not for your benefit. In the off chance that the devs look at this, I don't want them to look at this thread and be tempted to push Ice for brutes higher up thier To Do list, ahead of those things that would actually add to the game and plug a gap where options are limited (i.e. Ice for stalkers).
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Nope i definitely mean i am not if i was ignoring them i wouldn't bother to reply to them but instead im looking at the criticism and arguing my point hence why i suggested moving CE up the list of powers
also these things that will aid the game and plug holes what are they you mention ice for stalkers how would that aid the game or plug a hole stalkers already have 3 sets that rely primarily on defence SR, energy and ninja reflexes so while ice could be a good set for stalkers it would not plug any holes.
also if you use the "energy was created to replace ice" argument for brutes the same applies for stalkers, further following your logic from a previous post energy is just ice with different animations so what exactly would ice bring to stalkers?
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how would that aid the game or plug a hole stalkers?
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Stalkers have fewer defense sets than any other AT that gets them. And of those only one or two are actually any good, and 2 are completly gimped. And they fell behind even further in issue 13 when they where the only melee AT not to get a new set.
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That's because on stalkers, defense based sets are far superior to resistance based sets, for two reasons.
1) Resistance based defence relies on the gradual chipping away of hp being replaced by regen/healing. With low max hp, res doesn't keep you alive for long enough for this tactic to be effective. It is much better to not be hit in the first place.
2) +def makes it easier to use hit and run tactics, since if you are hit it will prevent you rehiding, and can break Placate.
More importantly, Ice Armor pairs with Ice Melee, and Ice Melee would be an excellent stalker set, since the soft control greatly increases stalker suvivability, hit and run ability, and what they are able to contribute to a team.
And answer me this, why Brutes and not scrappers? There are no concerns about the performance of an Ice/Ice scrapper. meaning it could be implemented with much less effort, yet no one seems to suggest it.
It's like Electric tankers: "lets suggest porting a set to the AT on which it would perform worst!".
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I have nothing against ice for scrappers in fact i would be quite happy to see it ported to brutes, stalkers and scrappers and it would make sense to do all 3 ATs at the same time.
I simply suggested Ice for brutes as i am primary a brute player thus i understand that AT far better than stalkers and scrappers (stalkers I'm only starting to play and scrappers I've never been able to get a hang of)
Also as i used ice during the CoV beta i have some idea of how it functions on a brute
and i like the idea of a electric tanker (scrappers also) as long as power sink got the heal treatment the set being less than optimal is not in my opinion a good reason for a AT not getting it.
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The Devs at the time judged it not to work based on the fact that it could potentially slow down fury generation they also wanted to at the time keep certain power sets for certain ATs.
All these things have now changed fury has been altered since closed beta and now build differently and they no longer intend to keep specific power sets with specific ATs
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I was not aware that fury worked differently in the past, but i can still see a Ice brute having trouble building fury with it.
You use Dark armor as an example of "working set" that also slows down fury building by having damage mitigation that prevents mobs from attacking you. I used to have a Dark brute and solo i never used CoF or OG since it slowed down my fury to much, in teams it was less of an issue. In the end i deleted him because Elec armor worked so much better for a brute.
I would rather use Dark Armor as an example of how not to do it with future brute sets.
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I was using dark armour more as set they chose to leave in even tho in later lvls it has a very bad effect on fury generation.
also if you look at my suggested reorganizing of the ice armour set
1.Frozen Armour
2.Hoarfrost
3.Icicles
4.Wet Ice
5.Permafrost
6.Energy Absorption
7.Glacial Armour
8.Chilling Embrace
9.Hibernate
you'll see that i.ve moved chilling Embrace up to teir 8 at this point brutes normally have there survival sorted as well as attack chain CE would become a take it or leave it power
Plus i recon ice would do less damage to fury building than dark dose if you compared a dark running CoF and OG to a ice running CE.