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What bugs me to no small degree is that this game USED to have ok PVP, but then IOs were introduced and it turned into WoW.
I am vocal because this game has nothing left to offer except what is left of pvp. It was my first MMO, I would like to hang around. But I cannot tolerate PvE anymore.
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Same for me mate. I plan to play what's left of this game until my sub runs out in february then I'm off to WAR. Shame though, gonna miss this game, but I bet a few people will be glad to see the back of me so it's all good 
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The devs stated that the game wasn't made harder because of IOs.
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Im sure devs pvp an awful [censored] lot.
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No. I highly doubt that.
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No, they do - they need to see which parts players enjoy the most, so those can be targeted for "improvements" 
@Golden Girl
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The devs stated that the game wasn't made harder because of IOs.
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Im sure devs pvp an awful [censored] lot.
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No. I highly doubt that.
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No, they do - they need to see which parts players enjoy the most, so those can be targeted for "improvements"
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By "improvements" do you mean 'screwing up'? Just in a more subtle bare faced lie kinda way?
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I play other games for skill-intensive pvp allright. Counterstrike or any other kind of shooter is not among them though.
What bugs me to no small degree is that this game USED to have ok PVP, but then IOs were introduced and it turned into WoW.
I am vocal because this game has nothing left to offer except what is left of pvp. It was my first MMO, I would like to hang around. But I cannot tolerate PvE anymore.
If you dont want me around then fine.
edit: accounts cancelled.
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Hammer, to be honest, you're just annoyed that people who put more effort/time in to the game end up with a better build than you.
It's not much different from someone at level 40 whining because a level 50 has 4 more powers and 21 odd more slots.
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I play other games for skill-intensive pvp allright. Counterstrike or any other kind of shooter is not among them though.
What bugs me to no small degree is that this game USED to have ok PVP, but then IOs were introduced and it turned into WoW.
I am vocal because this game has nothing left to offer except what is left of pvp. It was my first MMO, I would like to hang around. But I cannot tolerate PvE anymore.
If you dont want me around then fine.
edit: accounts cancelled.
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Hammer, to be honest, you're just annoyed that people who put more effort/time in to the game end up with a better build than you.
It's not much different from someone at level 40 whining because a level 50 has 4 more powers and 21 odd more slots.
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That is why I play games without level progression.
I got better things to do in my life than waste countless hours of boring and repetitive WORK just so I could get a CHANCE to play PVP.
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I play other games for skill-intensive pvp allright. Counterstrike or any other kind of shooter is not among them though.
What bugs me to no small degree is that this game USED to have ok PVP, but then IOs were introduced and it turned into WoW.
I am vocal because this game has nothing left to offer except what is left of pvp. It was my first MMO, I would like to hang around. But I cannot tolerate PvE anymore.
If you dont want me around then fine.
edit: accounts cancelled.
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Hammer, to be honest, you're just annoyed that people who put more effort/time in to the game end up with a better build than you.
It's not much different from someone at level 40 whining because a level 50 has 4 more powers and 21 odd more slots.
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That is why I play games without level progression.
I got better things to do in my life than waste countless hours of boring and repetitive WORK just so I could get a CHANCE to play PVP.
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So for those who do want to spend countless hours bettering their build, why should they be punished?
The fact that CoX is a lvl progression based game has nothing to do with it. Its your choice to play it, but to state that you have to do boring work to be able to make your character better is not anyone elses problem.
If you get bored of spending hours on something, in the end, you really cant be ar$ed for then other shouldnt get penalised for it. Its not right, nor is it fair.
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I play other games for skill-intensive pvp allright. Counterstrike or any other kind of shooter is not among them though.
What bugs me to no small degree is that this game USED to have ok PVP, but then IOs were introduced and it turned into WoW.
I am vocal because this game has nothing left to offer except what is left of pvp. It was my first MMO, I would like to hang around. But I cannot tolerate PvE anymore.
If you dont want me around then fine.
edit: accounts cancelled.
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Hammer, to be honest, you're just annoyed that people who put more effort/time in to the game end up with a better build than you.
It's not much different from someone at level 40 whining because a level 50 has 4 more powers and 21 odd more slots.
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That is why I play games without level progression.
I got better things to do in my life than waste countless hours of boring and repetitive WORK just so I could get a CHANCE to play PVP.
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The point is you do have the chance to PvP.
You can PvP with SO's, you've done it before. Use HO's, use common IO's.
You put more time in to the game, you get more from the game.
Let me put this another way. I already HAD characters for pvp. Then devs in their infinite wisdom keep nerfing those characters (repeatedly over several issues) so Im supposed to grind MORE to get OTHER characters. [censored] off.
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IO's are earned, be it through farming, playing the markets or simply ploughing through taskforces.
They're *in the game* ... why penalise those that spent the time to get them?
It's like telling a formula one driver "sorry, we're going to a wheel off now. You've gotten quite good at this driving malarky now and we want to level the playing field again"
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Point is they have to be GRINDED. GRIND GRIND GRIND.
giving a big advantage to those people willing to do it will put people like me who cant be bothered with it off the game.
By not penalising those that spent the time to get them youre penalising everybody else. Its either or.
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The thing is, IO sets are one of the few end game contents we actually have at the minute.
The fact you need to grind to get them just makes the game last that bit longer, now merits are in it also gives you a reason to experience TF's instead of just farming.
Why release content which we really need at the minute then negate it a couple of issues later when people have spent a lot of cash and time on them in an attempt to make everyone the same?
Thats like expecting to play a level 1 charecter and expecting to fight equally with a level 50 because you couldnt be bothered to level. IO sets are much the same, if you cant be bothered to work and earn them, then you shouldnt be complaining that you arent as good as someone who put in the effort to get them.
If you spent a lot of time getting to level 50 then surely a little bit more of a grind wouldnt be gamebreaking. If anything IOs are a lot easier because you dont need to spend ages at once getting all 6 slots in one go, you can get them one at a time whilst your doing the PvE stuff.
If you want to PvP, then the arena with the dimishing returns feature on should be where its done, not through zones where your punishing people who want some form of reward for there time and effort.
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I play other games for skill-intensive pvp allright. Counterstrike or any other kind of shooter is not among them though.
What bugs me to no small degree is that this game USED to have ok PVP, but then IOs were introduced and it turned into WoW.
I am vocal because this game has nothing left to offer except what is left of pvp. It was my first MMO, I would like to hang around. But I cannot tolerate PvE anymore.
If you dont want me around then fine.
edit: accounts cancelled.
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Hammer, to be honest, you're just annoyed that people who put more effort/time in to the game end up with a better build than you.
It's not much different from someone at level 40 whining because a level 50 has 4 more powers and 21 odd more slots.
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That is why I play games without level progression.
I got better things to do in my life than waste countless hours of boring and repetitive WORK just so I could get a CHANCE to play PVP.
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if thats the case then why are you playing MMORPG's in the first place? if you want instant pvp then you should try a game like a first person shooter or a third person shooter rather than an RPG based game which has always been based on levels and skills.
Attempting to change that changes everything an RPG is.
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Attempting to change that changes everything an RPG is.
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Its not the system, its how the game is made. I used to play these games for fun and company and adventure. If the end rewards become the sole purpose of why youre playing then something is seriously wrong. Grinding same task force over and over, where is the sense of adventure, exploration, wonder, and excitement? If the game itself would be enjoyable enough then I wouldnt mind collecting IOs. But if IOs are all there is...
And making more 'content' is not the answer anymore. The problem is too simplistic game system which is propably restricted by the game engine that cant be helped. All PVE mission mechanics in this game can be counted with fingers of one hand. 1. beat a mob 2. click a glowie 3.simultaneously click two or more glowies, 4. escort hostage. Thats it without too few exceptions (Hami insps, crystal titan, er... well thems both the same anyway). Because all new content is played through the exact same way its far from 'new'. Most of the issues afterwards (except the one that introduced pvp and pvp zones) are just candy topping that doesnt address the real problem.
Dont you understand that I am giving the reasons of why I am NOT playing this game? Just in case dev or something might be reading. I guess it is wasted effort. I already said why I have canceled my subs (again).
ps. If I need to find something positive out of the latest issue, then its that my first ever character, Hammerfall invul/mace tanker, is better in PVP than ever. Sorry guys, 3 years too late.
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Let me put this another way. I already HAD characters for pvp. Then devs in their infinite wisdom keep nerfing those characters (repeatedly over several issues) so Im supposed to grind MORE to get OTHER characters. [censored] off.
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Join the club. We even have free health insurance (nerfing excluded). 1 condition, drop all the "me me I I" cr4p because this hasn't just happened solely to you 
I must agree with Hammerfall , tho i like IO set's its something to work to and have a awesome character for pve or pvp.
Just the thing is like Hammerfall said, its grind grind grind for the cost of what good IO sets(rare's, purple's) cost, becuase lets be honest not everyone has around 1500 mil(if not more)to maximize 1 toon, to afford these Sets, thats just stupid, and those how have no problem with these prices seriosly have no life other than Grinding endless hours to get the infamy/inf/drops.(55+ mil for 1 bloody IO, [censored] ?), i will have to hire chineese farmers if i ever want more than 1 toon maximized with sets, and i dont think that is what the devs want or is it ?.
IMO i think they market should have a cap for max price or make those good sets drop more often from pools.
How it stands now, only thing that keeps me in this game is the few mate's i met here and playing with them, but with this "grinding" i might be better off to play other games/mmo's, if i have to grind then i better do it on a diff game that i didt explore yet.
Thats my 2 cents
Greetz Sha
49 level 50's(CoH/V), cant be arsed to list em all :P
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If you spent a lot of time getting to level 50 then surely a little bit more of a grind wouldnt be gamebreaking. If anything IOs are a lot easier because you dont need to spend ages at once getting all 6 slots in one go, you can get them one at a time whilst your doing the PvE stuff.
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a little bit??, have you ever calculated what it cost/takes to fully purple out a toon with sets.
iguess not and if you do then explain to me how to get those sets/inf without grinding endless hours?
is there some illigal store or what, as i dont get the little bit part .
49 level 50's(CoH/V), cant be arsed to list em all :P
I agre with hammerfall & Masta X. what gets me you can purple IO your char out and IO set it out to the max once you have done nothing but grind & grind to get the money together to do it. For example the apocalypse set is going to cost you alone 300mill+ just to IO out 1 pwr.
But what makes me laugh you can spend a billion on youre char and going in RV or Sirens and get wiped out by another person that hasnt spent a penny on there char and just has normal SO's as easy as eating cake. That is a real downside to this game.
I wish to take the time to say also that i got flamed earlier for saying Claws was bad damage for PvP. So i done a claws / Invun to lvl 50 and guess what after spending god know how many millions AGAIN trying to improve my defence and damage i got wiped out by a WP / fire Brute with WHITE SO's without him breaking a sweat. I hardley scratched him. I should of ignored all the flame's i got of this forum and stuck with what i knew was right in my heart of hearts.
The Game is letting me down more and more as each day passes and im running out of excuses to stay after 45months of playing.
CAPP THE MARKET or make it that if you dont spend the money like we do a normal char with SO's or normal IO's hasnt a hope in hell of beating someone that has took the time to grind and grind at the game purple IO'g and IO setting their char out.
Or the Devs may as well start designing a new game before we have all gone and kiss their monthly subscription goodbye.
People thinking that you need to have 5 lotg's, numerous purple sets etc to have a viable build should learn to slot.
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If they wanna waste their money that's fine by me, more market money for those who use it properly lol
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"You should come inside the box... Then you'll know what I mean."
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But what makes me laugh you can spend a billion on youre char and going in RV or Sirens and get wiped out by another person that hasnt spent a penny on there char and just has normal SO's as easy as eating cake. That is a real downside to this game.
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While you dont need IOs to have a viable build, they were huge advantage pre-I13, they are nigh pointless now, and the main problem is this:
- Either IO sets provide the huge wow-like advantage, which not only pisses off people like me who hate to grind, causes PVP NOT be viable until you have them. This forces you to grind for them making it a long tedious progress of making a pvp character that can actually beat some of the vets. And causes severe inbalance between newer and older characters.
- Or they dont do anything at all, like now, so grinding for them is a huge waste of time. Completely neutralizing the reason for having them in the first place (who needs them for PVE? bah!). [censored] off all those people who like being in the wow-bandwagon, buying your way into an über-character.
Either way its bad. Personally Id rather not have them introduced in the first place and instead have time spent in improving the game engine which is responsible for having an enjoyable GAMING EXPERIENCE, rather than just a bunch of pointless endgame goals. One day youre gonna wake up and ask yourself, "what the heck have I spent all these months for? Boring grind for these 1's and 0's on server somewhere in Germany? I think I go do something more meaningful." (iteration: if getting them wasnt such a grind, it wouldnt be as bad. But since the core game system has remained unchanged all these years, thats whats wrong. Gaming experience is boring, and endgoals dont change that. Only combat has changed slightly, but that is not the core.)
I hope this was sufficient explanation since somebody once asked why I hated IOs in the first place.
Overall, this game was once great and original in the superhero genre. Unfortunately it started off the wrong foot by basing itself on hunt/gather-philosophy of WoW instead of more superhero-like ideas like the games Freedom Force, Spiderman 2, etc. A mistake Im hoping DC universe online wont do. (the interviews have got me really hopeful)
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There is no such thing in WoW anymore.Its been solved for sometime now.
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There is no such thing in WoW anymore.Its been solved for sometime now.
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There is no advantage, there is only... HAMMER OF SKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!1
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There is no such thing in WoW anymore.Its been solved for sometime now.
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There is no advantage, there is only... HAMMER OF SKIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIILLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL!!!!1
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*Phones the guys in white for Extremus*
*bubblehearth*
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I rest my case.
IO's are quite possibly the best PvE (and, yes, PvP) mechanic added to the game. Not only is it completely optional (believe it or not it is oh no shock horror) but it actually offers some decent flexibility on how your toon works in quite a few ways. It's certainly better than everyone just geting 50++ SO's etc...
Games like Freedom Force and Spider-Man rely on the exact same mechanic. Do super hero stuff - get points/money/xp to get new powers/skills/mechanics to do MORE super hero stuff. How is this different different to CoH in any major way other than, possibly, the way the game represents it?
I play other games for skill-intensive pvp allright. Counterstrike or any other kind of shooter is not among them though.
What bugs me to no small degree is that this game USED to have ok PVP, but then IOs were introduced and it turned into WoW.
I am vocal because this game has nothing left to offer except what is left of pvp. It was my first MMO, I would like to hang around. But I cannot tolerate PvE anymore.
If you dont want me around then fine.
edit: accounts cancelled.