Well, it might help if you told us your build... Also, Khelds are getting some nice buffs in i13, so perhaps wait until then? It won't be too much longer.
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i have a similar problem. my pb is stuck at 40. i started him at the same time as my ws, to see which i liked more, and to begin with, my pb won out. i went for human form on the pb, and tri on the ws, and therein lies my problem i think. as time wore on, the versitility of the tri-form shone out, and my poor, stunted pb has been left standing as a kind of underpowered tanky-scrapper. but this was my fault, for limiting his powers (for sad concept reasons, so i won't respec him)
i love playing my khelds, they're ATs that allow you to respond so much more to any given situation.
i'd also like to hear from those more experienced in playing pb's. have a neutered mine by going human only?
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Well... Kind of, yes. The Nova form is really there for your high level ranged damage, and the Dwarf form, as well as being your tankform, is ALSO your Mez protection. Once i13 comes out, you'll find those forms FAR more useful as well, especially in teams, as your toggles won't get dropped anymore.
We're getting a base level damage increase with i13 too, which will also help considerably.
@FloatingFatMan
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Well I'm going to try to play him a little bit and wait till I13 and see if I enjoy playing him them and if he's good.
Ty for the advice.
Back! I've been playing my PB although he is still irregularly played it's been more enjoyable to play him. I can now survive on my own for quite a while with Dwarf and 5 +0 bosses! I couldn't do that before I13.
I'm going to play him more now and roll him to 50. With me getting to 40-50 is always hard, I always seem to be leaving him lieing at some level for months on end! This time I'm going to shell out lots of my game time on him 
Oh and, is there a way to copy>paste in-game builds into Mids? I'd like to show you guys my build and give me some pointers/rate it.
Sadly no there is no way of automatically exporting a build from the game into Mids.
I'm sure we could provide advice on your build though.
Durability when teaming is quite suprising now. I discovered on Saturday night, teaming with 3+ blasters can be comical now as Nova is rather sturdy when in has 40% resistance to all.
I have the same issue as you, my PB is also sitting at 39, but i know the reason for mine, the fact is i play human form PB a lot, but a melee based charecter that gets stopped in seconds with any form of status effect is unplayable in my opinion.
As it stands if you want to fight as PB you cant really do much solo which is intended, but even in a team all your damage comes from melee attacks, and without light form which is on a massive timer with a massive drop your sitting duck for any form of mez that comes your way.
Yes you can switch to dwarf form whilst mezzed now but that isnt really helping, because the second you switch back your mezzed again.
Its basically forcing you to play dwarf or nova which both forms can easily be outclassed by another similar AT. Now i hear people say 'yes but you have adaptability' whats the point of being able to adapt if you are a lot worse at both sides than you would be if you played blaster rather than nova, or tanker rather than dwarf?
4 attacks each side and not able to get more seems a kinda pointless way to push people to play.
I really like the concept of PB but despite all the changes it still really feels like a broken AT.
Update! He's now level 41.
As for Starcrash, I have to agree. I stay in Dwarf far too much, in fact probably 90% of the time in a mission I'm in Dwarf form. In Squid or Human I'm still far too squishy.
And now Dwarf form attacks seem to be more powerful! There's even more reason to stay in Dwarf form. (although I'm not totally sure if the attacks have been buffed)
But one underlying problem is that Dwarf still can't tank. Might as well remove the taunt as I've never used and I haven't seen anyone else use it. It's far too big a risk of dying.
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But one underlying problem is that MY Dwarf still can't tank. Might as well remove the taunt FROM MY DWARF as I've never used it and I haven't seen anyone NEED TO or TEAM ORIENTATED. It's far too big a risk of ME dying.
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That looks much better to me. 
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It's not often I find myself in complete agreement with Shannon, but my Dwarfies can tank just fine...
I've two PBs; a Bi-form Human/Dwarf and a Triformer (Human for buffing/team support). They play very differently in terms of dealing damage, but they can both tank +3 AVs or a mission for a standard 8-man team.
I do think that PBs still get a rough time trying to slot everything though. Assuming you take (and at least slot the stomp/heal of) Dwarf, it really comes down to a choice between using either Nova or Human form for damage. Triformers just don't got the slots to do all three "properly", even with HOs + frankenslotting IO sets.
You asked about build critiques, here's an idea of what my two will look like at level 50 (Biformer's been there for years, Triformer is a work in progress). The Biformer only goes to Dwarf when he's tanking these days, as he can easilly go toe-to-toe with EBs such as Nosferatu in Human form.
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It's not often I find myself in complete agreement with Shannon, but my Dwarfies can tank just fine...
I've two PBs; a Bi-form Human/Dwarf and a Triformer (Human for buffing/team support). They play very differently in terms of dealing damage, but they can both tank +3 AVs or a mission for a standard 8-man team.
I do think that PBs still get a rough time trying to slot everything though. Assuming you take (and at least slot the stomp/heal of) Dwarf, it really comes down to a choice between using either Nova or Human form for damage. Triformers just don't got the slots to do all three "properly", even with HOs + frankenslotting IO sets.
You asked about build critiques, here's an idea of what my two will look like at level 50 (Biformer's been there for years, Triformer is a work in progress). The Biformer only goes to Dwarf when he's tanking these days, as he can easilly go toe-to-toe with EBs such as Nosferatu in Human form.
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Well, I've never seen you in action, Shannon or Maelwys, so I guessed that was the general case.
But thing is, I'm not really looking for a build that expensive...that's the underlying problem (probably) why I can't tank and you can.
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Nope, I don't think it is...
I really should do something about this signature.
I know WSs and PBs aren't identical, but the Dwarves are similar enough; and I don't have a problem filling in as a tank on my WS. In fact since issue 13 (and a respec) the dwarf is now getting the same use as human and nova form. This was before I put any sets in too (they're just a plus )
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It's not often I find myself in complete agreement with Shannon, but my Dwarfies can tank just fine...
I've two PBs; a Bi-form Human/Dwarf and a Triformer (Human for buffing/team support). They play very differently in terms of dealing damage, but they can both tank +3 AVs or a mission for a standard 8-man team.
I do think that PBs still get a rough time trying to slot everything though. Assuming you take (and at least slot the stomp/heal of) Dwarf, it really comes down to a choice between using either Nova or Human form for damage. Triformers just don't got the slots to do all three "properly", even with HOs + frankenslotting IO sets.
You asked about build critiques, here's an idea of what my two will look like at level 50 (Biformer's been there for years, Triformer is a work in progress). The Biformer only goes to Dwarf when he's tanking these days, as he can easilly go toe-to-toe with EBs such as Nosferatu in Human form.
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Well, I've never seen you in action, Shannon or Maelwys, so I guessed that was the general case.
But thing is, I'm not really looking for a build that expensive...that's the underlying problem (probably) why I can't tank and you can.
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What you need to "tank" as a PB Dwarfie:
1. 3 Resistance SOs in White Dwarf
2. 3 Heal SOs and 3 Recharge SOs in Dwarf Heal.
3. One Acc SO, two Recharge SOs and one Endred SO in Dwarf Footstomp
4. Two Acc SOs, One Taunt Duration SO and One Recharge SO in Dwarf Taunt.
The first two help you survive, the last one helps you keep aggro, the third one does a little of both.
More Acc and Recharge/End in Stomp, and more Acc and Recharge in Taunt is better, but not needed.
Likewise, Hasten and Essence Boost are both very good but not needed.
If you suffer from low endurance, slot one EndRed SO plus two EndMod SOs in White Dwarf.
SOs are hardly "Expensive"... 
All the expensive HOs or set IOs in my builds are frills and icing. The main stuff, the stuff that my PB depends upon to function and survive, comes down to boosting raw enhancement % numbers - even SOs can do that.
If you're willing to spend a little extra on your PB, you can free up enhancement slots by using set IOs - that's why you'll see many of my PB's powers "frankenslotted" with sets designed to free up as many slots as possible so that those slots can be used elsewhere in the build (multi-form PBs suffer seriously from a lack of slots).
(No doubt Shannon will chip in later on with a spiel about how a nice fluffy mindset is more important for tanking than slotting or power selection... but personally I'm more of the opinion that you need to have the right tools before you can learn how to use them properly! )
IMO Essence Boost (3 heal, 3 recharge) is the key power in PB tanking, and the power that gives them the tanking edge over WSs.
I would put 2 more taunt durations in taunt too, holding aggro is the dwarf's weakness compared to a proper tank.
I really should do something about this signature.
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It's not often I find myself in complete agreement with Shannon, but my Dwarfies can tank just fine...
I've two PBs; a Bi-form Human/Dwarf and a Triformer (Human for buffing/team support). They play very differently in terms of dealing damage, but they can both tank +3 AVs or a mission for a standard 8-man team.
I do think that PBs still get a rough time trying to slot everything though. Assuming you take (and at least slot the stomp/heal of) Dwarf, it really comes down to a choice between using either Nova or Human form for damage. Triformers just don't got the slots to do all three "properly", even with HOs + frankenslotting IO sets.
You asked about build critiques, here's an idea of what my two will look like at level 50 (Biformer's been there for years, Triformer is a work in progress). The Biformer only goes to Dwarf when he's tanking these days, as he can easilly go toe-to-toe with EBs such as Nosferatu in Human form.
[u]Bi-former build[u]
[u]Triformer build[u]
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Well, I've never seen you in action, Shannon or Maelwys, so I guessed that was the general case.
But thing is, I'm not really looking for a build that expensive...that's the underlying problem (probably) why I can't tank and you can.
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What you need to "tank" as a PB Dwarfie:
1. 3 Resistance SOs in White Dwarf
2. 3 Heal SOs and 3 Recharge SOs in Dwarf Heal.
3. One Acc SO, two Recharge SOs and one Endred SO in Dwarf Footstomp
4. Two Acc SOs, One Taunt Duration SO and One Recharge SO in Dwarf Taunt.
The first two help you survive, the last one helps you keep aggro, the third one does a little of both.
More Acc and Recharge/End in Stomp, and more Acc and Recharge in Taunt is better, but not needed.
Likewise, Hasten and Essence Boost are both very good but not needed.
If you suffer from low endurance, slot one EndRed SO plus two EndMod SOs in White Dwarf.
SOs are hardly "Expensive"...
All the expensive HOs or set IOs in my builds are frills and icing. The main stuff, the stuff that my PB depends upon to function and survive, comes down to boosting raw enhancement % numbers - even SOs can do that.
If you're willing to spend a little extra on your PB, you can free up enhancement slots by using set IOs - that's why you'll see many of my PB's powers "frankenslotted" with sets designed to free up as many slots as possible so that those slots can be used elsewhere in the build (multi-form PBs suffer seriously from a lack of slots).
(No doubt Shannon will chip in later on with a spiel about how a nice fluffy mindset is more important for tanking than slotting or power selection... but personally I'm more of the opinion that you need to have the right tools before you can learn how to use them properly! )
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All of course an opnion...
Some people think differently.
I went with 2 acc, 2 taunt and 2 rechg. Which is okay to start with but I would IO set it for sure to maximize all attributes, to push the dwarf towards the capabilities of a Tanker.
Put some thought into it and how you can lower the AVs DPS with it and keep aggro and you'd have damage mitigation on top of dwarf form. Not just to yourself but to team too.
Somethings you may try may not quite work straight away but that just needs more investigation that's all.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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But one underlying problem is that Dwarf still can't tank. Might as well remove the taunt as I've never used and I haven't seen anyone else use it. It's far too big a risk of dying.
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But thing is, I'm not really looking for a build that expensive...that's the underlying problem (probably) why I can't tank and you can.
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SOs are hardly "Expensive"...
All the expensive HOs or set IOs in my builds are frills and icing. The main stuff, the stuff that my PB depends upon to function and survive, comes down to boosting raw enhancement % numbers - even SOs can do that.
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If you think that SOs are too expensive, there's not much advice I can give you other than "go earn inf".
Last I checked, you could fully outfit a level 50 with SOs for well under 10 million influence. That's the equivilant of one decent Taskforce Set IO drop, or a few hours playtime at level 50 out of SG mode.
Currently my main character has a little over 500 million influence on him, and had 100 million before issue 13. That's 400 million earned in under a month, just by casually running Ouroboros TFs every few days.
Just under 10 million is still expensive for me.
But anyway, thanks for the comments; I'm currently levelling up him farming pillboxes in RV. (but let's not discuss that, or it will turn into a flame war)
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Tanking as a Dwarf is a matter of specialisation, the slotting suggested above is a good example.
Edit: As I'm bored I've done some rough number crunching and slotting a Keld with SOs isn't that expensive compared to other ATs. Essentially a Keld with both Nova and Dwarf forms will have 11 more slots than other ATs (4 from Nova, 5 From Dwarf and 2 from travel powers). Given that the most expensive SO at L50 is 60,000 Inf a fully SO slotted L50 Keld will cost a little under 6.12 million. That's only 660k more than other ATs.
When I respec'd my WS at 50 and slotted lvl 50 IOs across the board, it cost me about 12-15 million inf. Although that was buying some ready made, rather than crafting them all from scratch (Did that on my MM and the final bill was about 2/3 times higher).
For comparison, my L50 'Troller made about 30 million inf just between levels 46 and 50. (And only bought ten recipies after that - all purple*). Remember to sell all those common recipies at a vendor!
* He's probably going to spend the 10 million he has in the bank on Posi's Blast for his Psy Tornado. But this is gravy. Note that I haven't played him at all since hitting L50, and he has 10 million in the bank, 2 purple sets (sleep and confuse, admittedly), and every power is IO'd except the one mentioned. (Yes, there's a damage IO in Brawl, and a run one in Sprint from when I got bored). SOs are cheap - and if you're willing to spend the time, L35 common IOs are probably better across the board and cost less Inf. (One advantage of IOs is that they never turn red).
Thing I find is that, although the WS has more crowd control and such, the Dwarf form is, compared to the PB Dward, somewhat lacking, or at least it seems that way. Mire, on a form that is *not* oriented towards doing damage, seems like a horrible mistake. The recharge doesnt make it a viable AoE attack, like the PB Stomp, and the need for accuracy in the heal is a bit of a killer...
My two human/triform built Khelds are languishing at lvl 20 and 21. The Human form PB I have at lvl 6 seems to be a lot more fun, even solo. Not really sure how well they'll all last.
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I admit I haven't played my PB nearly as much as my WS, but I find the Dark Dwarf plays very well, espcially now after i13.
The recharge on the Dwarf's Mire is only 4 seconds slower than the White Dwarf's Flare; but with a single recharge IO, it still comes up often enough to be useful. I think it's fine as it balances the damage boost mire gives you.
I agree about the heal though, most of the time it's fine; but that one time you need it to save you, it'll miss
Title really says it all. My PB is sitting at level 39 and Ive just got bored with him. I cant be bothered to find a team. I really want to get him to 50 as hes my closest but all I seem to be playing is my Ill/Sonic Troller, my Stone/Nrg Tanker, and my spanking new Dark/Dark Corr.
My style is mostly human form, I have no problem keeping alive, yet I hate Nova form cos I'm so vunrable and hate being the Blaster and I think Dwarf is alright but I dont really use it.
Perhaps it could be the damage thats pulling me away. Im thinking of putting some Dmg and Rech in Incan Strike. And some Def in Light Form. Thats me as far as slotting goes anyway.
Can anyone provide som tips to keep a good damage combo (usually I go for Glintng Eye>Gleaming Blast>Radiant Strike>Incan Strike)? Also should I drop Quantum Shield? + various other questions