a verry small speed bonus for fly(PVE)
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Blue Rabbit,
Posted on: 2008-07-15 13:52 in Suggestions and Ideas
Fly could maybe do with a little bit more speed, but it's the slowest of the travel powers because it's the safest and most flexible.
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Fly could maybe do with a little bit more speed, but it's the slowest of the travel powers because it's the safest and most flexible.
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Yeah - personally I wish it was fast enough that it could be capped with a single Flight Speed IO/SO, like SJ & SSpd can. It would still be slower than SJ/SSpd because Fly caps lower, but I'd find it easier to justify as a travel power in builds where I'm starved for slots.
Hover definitely needs a boost too - base speed should at least be as fast as a character with swift or sprint on.
No to the suggestion as slowness is the drawback of the safest travel power to pick.
Also, Swift accepts Fly enhancements to boost up Fly speed.
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Perhaps it could be coded in such a was that it started of at its current speed and got faster the longer you were flying in a straight line that way it would be useful for traveling great distances
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Also, Swift accepts Fly enhancements to boost up Fly speed.
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Yeah, because adding Flight Speed enhancements to Swift makes such a noticeable difference that the extra slots are worthwhile, right? 
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Also, Swift accepts Fly enhancements to boost up Fly speed.
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Yeah, because adding Flight Speed enhancements to Swift makes such a noticeable difference that the extra slots are worthwhile, right?
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It's pretty easy to cap flight speed atm.
2 level 50 fly enhances in flight and one in swift and you're at the cap. Or rather close anyway at 50.
i never said anything about making it faster, i just suggest for a small speed bonus when you are high in the sky, so it doesn't waist time getting to the other side of the map.
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Perhaps it could be coded in such a was that it started of at its current speed and got faster the longer you were flying in a straight line that way it would be useful for traveling great distances
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agree with this 1, and its doable, in the same way Quantum Flight used to have increasing end drain, but id say it stayed as is for PvP zones, say an inherant zone debuff for no +max fly speed or sumthing
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i never said anything about making it faster, i just suggest for a small speed bonus when you are high in the sky, so it doesn't waist time getting to the other side of the map.
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As others have said, the relatively slow speed of Fly is the balancing penalty to make up for it being so flexible.
That slow speed's only a significant factor when you are getting to the other side of the map (a small increase when you're flying up to a balcony in a misson wouldn't make any real difference, after all), so it's unlikely anything like to change that will get added.
(And that's leaving aside technical issues like deciding how high you are in the Shadow Shards... 
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the thing is dose the balance of a travel power really matter in the PvE game
If you want people to use all the available powers, not just the obviously best one, then yes.
Not that anyone's even hinted that this is a PvE-only thing.
well i for one would still use the other power's tho i tend to pick powers as much for concep as anythin else
Personally I would love to see a flight speed increase for PvP perposes. I think it s a bit [censored] that it cant keep up with SS and SJ so it means that a couple of my PvE speced toons just really cant do a thing in PvP because they cant keep up. For balance sake, I really think it should have a speed increase. Im not suggesting all the travels powers should have equal speed but I think the gap should be smaller so that people with fly arent completly left behind.
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Personally I would love to see a flight speed increase for PvP perposes. I think it s a bit [censored] that it cant keep up with SS and SJ so it means that a couple of my PvE speced toons just really cant do a thing in PvP because they cant keep up. For balance sake, I really think it should have a speed increase. Im not suggesting all the travels powers should have equal speed but I think the gap should be smaller so that people with fly arent completly left behind.
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2-slotting Fly and just having Swift gets you somewhat close to the cap, yeah (a 3rd Fly IO/SO adds very little, as do any slots in Swift - to actually cap it you have to over-slot Fly and abuse the ED softcap - might even take all 6 slots) - but it still means using an extra slot over and above what SS & SJ need, and for a non-combat power too! On some really tight builds that's a slot too many for me. Heck, I really like Teleport, but there's no way I'd take it on any character with slot starvation because it's rubbish with just the base slot - in fact I've only got it on my mastermind because he had tons of slots going spare (I 5-slotted it for capped range & end ).
Also, even if you could cap Fly's speed with just the base slot, aren't you guys forgetting that you'd STILL be much slower than SJ & SS (which cap at noticeably higher speeds)? I just want parity in being able to cap Fly in the base slot like SS & SJ - it's slower anyway. Iirc at L50 Fly caps at 56mph-ish, SJ at 78mph, SS at 90+ mph, and of course Teleport can go much much faster (a /en blaster with perma Boost Range and TP capped for range would be the fastest possible character in the game, by far).
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Personally I would love to see a flight speed increase for PvP perposes. I think it s a bit [censored] that it cant keep up with SS and SJ so it means that a couple of my PvE speced toons just really cant do a thing in PvP because they cant keep up. For balance sake, I really think it should have a speed increase. Im not suggesting all the travels powers should have equal speed but I think the gap should be smaller so that people with fly arent completly left behind.
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But you'd need equal-ish speed to keep up and if they all had equal speed in PvP then why wouldn't everyone just pick Fly as the only PvP-viable travel power as it would then have so many other advantages over SS/SJ? (i.e. totally controllable vertical movement, being able to hang in the sky, etc).
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But you'd need equal-ish speed to keep up and if they all had equal speed in PvP then why wouldn't everyone just pick Fly as the only PvP-viable travel power as it would then have so many other advantages over SS/SJ? (i.e. totally controllable vertical movement, being able to hang in the sky, etc).
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As I said I dont want it as fast, just a little faster, just so it CAN be used in a fight thats constantly moving.
i was thinking, fly is quite slow if you ask me.
and when you need to get to the other side of the map, it takes 5-7 minutes sometimes.
but what about a speed bonus when you are high in the sky, not unbalanced and makes it a bit less time consuming to get anywhere.