New Villians Contact: Sheng Dida
By
Blue Rabbit,
Posted on: 2008-06-29 15:09 in Suggestions and Ideas
My first thought when I read the topic was "Feng Shui is pretty evil."... For real.
And then when I saw the level for the contact I thought /unsigned.
More low level content for the people!
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My first thought when I read the topic was "Feng Shui is pretty evil."... For real.
And then when I saw the level for the contact I thought /unsigned.
More low level content for the people!
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Um, excuse me? You couldve at least said it nicely. If you want low level content suggest low level content. This is high level content. If you really want it, suggest it yourself, don't plague threads with opnions that do not contribute to the thread.
You are excused.
So an opinion saying no is not an opinion?
Are you a politican? 
Then let me add to it...
There is more than enough high level content for both sides. With 2 co-op zones being for mid-high levels, and plenty of contacts already for 45-50.
And thats why I /unsigned it.
I prefer a blunt and honest approach.
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You are excused.
So an opinion saying no is not an opinion?
Are you a politican?
Then let me add to it...
There is more than enough high level content for both sides. With 2 co-op zones being for mid-high levels, and plenty of contacts already for 45-50.
And thats why I /unsigned it.
I prefer a blunt and honest approach.
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No, if you do not like more high level content, just '/unsigned' and leave it at that, don't go into force about a little protest for more low level content.
EDIT: Also it's becoming off-topic with this so let's get the train back on the track.
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You are excused.
So an opinion saying no is not an opinion?
Are you a politican?
Then let me add to it...
There is more than enough high level content for both sides. With 2 co-op zones being for mid-high levels, and plenty of contacts already for 45-50.
And thats why I /unsigned it.
I prefer a blunt and honest approach.
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No, if you do not like more high level content, just '/unsigned' and leave it at that, don't go into force about a little protest for more low level content.
EDIT: Also it's becoming off-topic with this so let's get the train back on the track.
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Don't be so defensive; an explanation of why someone disagrees with the suggestion is far better than simply leaving /unsigned or /jranger.
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You are excused.
So an opinion saying no is not an opinion?
Are you a politican?
Then let me add to it...
There is more than enough high level content for both sides. With 2 co-op zones being for mid-high levels, and plenty of contacts already for 45-50.
And thats why I /unsigned it.
I prefer a blunt and honest approach.
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No, if you do not like more high level content, just '/unsigned' and leave it at that, don't go into force about a little protest for more low level content.
EDIT: Also it's becoming off-topic with this so let's get the train back on the track.
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Don't be so defensive; an explanation of why someone disagrees with the suggestion is far better than simply leaving /unsigned or /jranger.
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...unless that disagreement does not contribute to the suggestion in any way.
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You are excused.
So an opinion saying no is not an opinion?
Are you a politican?
Then let me add to it...
There is more than enough high level content for both sides. With 2 co-op zones being for mid-high levels, and plenty of contacts already for 45-50.
And thats why I /unsigned it.
I prefer a blunt and honest approach.
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No, if you do not like more high level content, just '/unsigned' and leave it at that, don't go into force about a little protest for more low level content.
EDIT: Also it's becoming off-topic with this so let's get the train back on the track.
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Don't be so defensive; an explanation of why someone disagrees with the suggestion is far better than simply leaving /unsigned or /jranger.
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...unless that disagreement does not contribute to the suggestion in any way.
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So explaining why I disagree with the suggestion does not contribute with the suggestion? *head explodes*
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You are excused.
So an opinion saying no is not an opinion?
Are you a politican?
Then let me add to it...
There is more than enough high level content for both sides. With 2 co-op zones being for mid-high levels, and plenty of contacts already for 45-50.
And thats why I /unsigned it.
I prefer a blunt and honest approach.
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No, if you do not like more high level content, just '/unsigned' and leave it at that, don't go into force about a little protest for more low level content.
EDIT: Also it's becoming off-topic with this so let's get the train back on the track.
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Don't be so defensive; an explanation of why someone disagrees with the suggestion is far better than simply leaving /unsigned or /jranger.
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...unless that disagreement does not contribute to the suggestion in any way.
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It's somewhat constructive criticism because you're told that they believe that low level content is what should be added, rather than high level content. It's certainly a hell of a lot better than "NO IT SUCKS LOL".
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You are excused.
So an opinion saying no is not an opinion?
Are you a politican?
Then let me add to it...
There is more than enough high level content for both sides. With 2 co-op zones being for mid-high levels, and plenty of contacts already for 45-50.
And thats why I /unsigned it.
I prefer a blunt and honest approach.
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No, if you do not like more high level content, just '/unsigned' and leave it at that, don't go into force about a little protest for more low level content.
EDIT: Also it's becoming off-topic with this so let's get the train back on the track.
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Don't be so defensive; an explanation of why someone disagrees with the suggestion is far better than simply leaving /unsigned or /jranger.
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...unless that disagreement does not contribute to the suggestion in any way.
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It's somewhat constructive criticism because you're told that they believe that low level content is what should be added, rather than high level content. It's certainly a hell of a lot better than "NO IT SUCKS LOL".
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So that means I shouldn't have made the suggestion in the first place?
... what? No. Just because someone disagrees with the suggestion doesn't suddenly mean that the suggestion itself is redundant.
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... what? No. Just because someone disagrees with the suggestion doesn't suddenly mean that the suggestion itself is redundant.
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First off, ty for getting us off the quote pyramid
Secondly, you're sounding it as it's that way.
I know she is entitled to her opnion, but if that opnion isn't constructive (in this case because she is making a little protest of her own for low level content which isn't going to help the suggestion itself at all) then she should not be shouting it out.
Simple as that.
But all they said equates to "I don't agree with this because...".
How is that bad, surely finding out why someone disagrees with the suggestion is a good thing as it would (theoretically) allow you to refine your idea?
Unless of course you think that your OP is inviolate and beyond reproach due to it being fundamentally perfect in your estimation.
oh my god [/janice style from friends]
what is wrong with some of you ppl. shes unsigned ti for teh reason she believes that there is too much high lvl content in the game already and for that reason im also /unsign (ing) it
if this was lvl 25-35 it would have got a /signed
the content is good the lvl range is wrong. and dont pick on someone becoz they gave u thier honest opion whihc tbh is valid there IS way too much content for vills at 40+ as it stands. 25-35 is a better area for this arc
the way she said may have been to blunt for your liking but she is entitled to her own opinion
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lol, the thread begins just stunning:P
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But all they said equates to "I don't agree with this because...".
How is that bad, surely finding out why someone disagrees with the suggestion is a good thing as it would (theoretically) allow you to refine your idea?
Unless of course you think that your OP is inviolate and beyond reproach due to it being fundamentally perfect in your estimation.
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Refine my idea? Change the level range? No thanks.
The reason why I choose 45-50 becuase the last mission is going to be pure teamwipe if it was given to low levels. It's very tricky, and it would be better suited to higher levels.
If not for that I would've changed the level range.
and for that reason it gets
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it still can be a challenge for 25-35
u take mu drakans arc
granter lvl 35-40 but facing litith and infernal in one mission. not the easiest way to finihs the arc and its a oranbega map. with the occasional corridoor of nerva spec daemons. it built for team wipe central.
psymon in Nerva who i belive is a 25-30 contact. has nearly a whole arc of longbow, team wipe maps.
If you are actually are aware of some of the arcs lower down u'd understand a lot of them can cause team wipes over and over again
Villians doesnt need more content 45-50 it needs it 25-35. and thats the only reason why it gets
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btw the content of the arc is solid and looks like fun this is a major plus and tbh if u design an arc u shouldnt lvl restrict it untill uve asked what levels do u think this would be good for and add in the level range later
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and for that reason it gets
/unsigned
it still can be a challenge for 25-35
u take mu drakans arc
granter lvl 35-40 but facing litith and infernal in one mission. not the easiest way to finihs the arc and its a oranbega map. with the occasional corridoor of nerva spec daemons. it built for team wipe central.
psymon in Nerva who i belive is a 25-30 contact. has nearly a whole arc of longbow, team wipe maps.
If you are actually are aware of some of the arcs lower down u'd understand a lot of them can cause team wipes over and over again
Villians doesnt need more content 45-50 it needs it 25-35. and thats the only reason why it gets
/unsigned
btw the content of the arc is solid and looks like fun this is a major plus and tbh if u design an arc u shouldnt lvl restrict it untill uve asked what levels do u think this would be good for and add in the level range later
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Nope. It's even harder than those arcs. The Morea Powerhouse is basically the Thorn Tree, it fights back, also you're facing 2 AVs which is a massive challenge alone...also the power crystals are like Shadow Cysts, they fight back as well.
In all, it's a tough mission. It's basically the Thorn Tree, 2 AVs, and 15 Shadow Cysts in one mission. (a lot of Morea clan members as well, massive map)
And you thought just 1 Shadow Cyst was bad.
cough ITF ..... 2nd mish. fully of cysts. your not gonna bow me over here the lvl range for vills is wrong dur to the amount of contacts at 35+. hero side it could possibly fit.
25-35 it gives a tough arc at the middle part of leveling, which would be imho awesome for r es side content
with ur lvl its still /unsigned
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cough ITF ..... 2nd mish. fully of cysts. your not gonna bow me over here the lvl range for vills is wrong dur to the amount of contacts at 35+. hero side it could possibly fit.
25-35 it gives a tough arc at the middle part of leveling, which would be imho awesome for r es side content
with ur lvl its still /unsigned
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I've been thinking about this; sorry for my rudeness earlier - probably drunk 
Trying to put this the nicest way I can. Let's talk about Westin Phippis "Defeat Manticore" mission. It's 40+ content, only has one Hero yet defended by some 20 Longbow. So 1 AV + Lots of Longbow.
Let's compare that.
THAT mission: 1 AV, Lots of Longbow
MY mission: 2 AVs, Thorn Tree, 15 Shadow Cysts, Lots of Morea clan
Tell me, which one is going to be tougher?
I'm still not convinced that I should lower the range.
EDIT: To make it fair with you. I could make a Yuong Dida 25-30 contact. Sheng's son maybe? I mean, same kind of missions oh and same personality, just a different contact 
Since I'm not allowed to give a reason:
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I've been thinking about this; sorry for my rudeness earlier - probably drunk
Trying to put this the nicest way I can. Let's talk about Westin Phippis "Defeat Manticore" mission. It's 40+ content, only has one Hero yet defended by some 20 Longbow. So 1 AV + Lots of Longbow.
Let's compare that.
THAT mission: 1 AV, Lots of Longbow
MY mission: 2 AVs, Thorn Tree, 15 Shadow Cysts, Lots of Morea clan
Tell me, which one is going to be tougher?
I'm still not convinced that I should lower the range.
EDIT: To make it fair with you. I could make a Yuong Dida 25-30 contact. Sheng's son maybe? I mean, same kind of missions oh and same personality, just a different contact
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That's fine; but in the OP you didn't explain any of that.
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Ah, good. Now go! The Morea clan needs to be wiped from the board!
Objectives:
Defeat Master Morea
Defeat Black Scorpion
Destroy 15 power crystals
Destroy the Morea Powerhouse
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There is no mention of what the crystals or powerhouse are.
There's not much at 50 that's hard and I don't think simply going "lol lots of AV's" is a good answer to making tricky content. Hell the first SF in Villains has two AV's, and Ice Mistral has a room full of pink exploding rocks, a whole load of CoT and an AV.
Just going "No this is hard so it won't work at anything below 45" isn't exactly a good explanation.
Spawn it on a small team on heroic (or evil equivalent) and they'd be EBs any way. Been doing Praetorian arc against EBs and some double EBs. In a duo and had zero real issue. Doesn't sound that hard TBH, well bothering to actually play a villain is hardest bit. 
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I've been thinking about this; sorry for my rudeness earlier - probably drunk
Trying to put this the nicest way I can. Let's talk about Westin Phippis "Defeat Manticore" mission. It's 40+ content, only has one Hero yet defended by some 20 Longbow. So 1 AV + Lots of Longbow.
Let's compare that.
THAT mission: 1 AV, Lots of Longbow
MY mission: 2 AVs, Thorn Tree, 15 Shadow Cysts, Lots of Morea clan
Tell me, which one is going to be tougher?
I'm still not convinced that I should lower the range.
EDIT: To make it fair with you. I could make a Yuong Dida 25-30 contact. Sheng's son maybe? I mean, same kind of missions oh and same personality, just a different contact
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That's fine; but in the OP you didn't explain any of that.
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Ah, good. Now go! The Morea clan needs to be wiped from the board!
Objectives:
Defeat Master Morea
Defeat Black Scorpion
Destroy 15 power crystals
Destroy the Morea Powerhouse
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There is no mention of what the crystals or powerhouse are.
There's not much at 50 that's hard and I don't think simply going "lol lots of AV's" is a good answer to making tricky content. Hell the first SF in Villains has two AV's, and Ice Mistral has a room full of pink exploding rocks, a whole load of CoT and an AV.
Just going "No this is hard so it won't work at anything below 45" isn't exactly a good explanation.
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It isn't supposted to be "lots of AVs" - it's supposted to be lots of side problems, like the Morea Powerhouse/Thorn Tree. The AVs can only be found by destroying the Powerhouse (sorry I didn't explain this in the OP). Actually, I had a idea the Powerhouse was just a guard for the entrace to the AVs. Also, we could have about 2 Shadow Cysts per room, making those small rooms big problems.
I hope you can see now why it is 45-50, also as I said I am going forward with a lower level contact idea, Yuong Dida as a 25-30 contact who is Sheng's son. Postin' it now 
I remember hitting a room with 2 Cyst Crystals in my late 20's. Sure we had a hard time until I managed to convey the concept of breaking the crystals first. The pug I was in was convinced you couldn't do that... until I jumped into the horrid black mass and did just that, pugs eh?
Point is, it's doable.
Name: Sheng Dida
Zone: Grandville
Level Range: 45-50
Missions: 7
Line used if not a contact: "Oh, hello. Get out of my face. I have no need of you yet. Do some of [active contact's name]'s dirty work for now.
Introduction: "So, [villian name]. I've heard good things about you. I mean...bad things. Crimes, crimes and more crimes. Another typical villian. But you seem determined to get on my good side. Well, if you want it that way, prove it."
1: Eliminate Half-Face
"OK, I'm a trainer, y'know? I recruit villians becuase they beat up some guy, then I send 'em on their first mission, they come back...not alive. So if you want to be known, then you have to prove it to me that I can train you. If you don't want me to train you, I suggest you turn away now. My apprentices aren't allowed to "resign". First off, let's start with a annoying problem of mine. My buddy Worke is harrassed by this sub-human dude called Half-Face. He keeps complaining about it to me, but I don't want to do it. You see, I like to throw my burdens on my apprentices. Now, head over to Half-Face's hideout and eliminate him. I don't care how you do it, I just want his head back so Worke will stop buggin' me.
What are you waiting for? Get to it!"
Objectives:
Eliminate Half-Face
Entrance message: "This hideout is cheap, yet useful. A typical kind of a criminal's home."
Mission Complete!
2. Prove yourself
"Hmm. I never say this but, you handled that brilliantly. I think you're ready for it. But I don't think it. My mind is thinking half and half. OK, I've made a decision. You're going to have to prove further that you can be my apprentice. OK, here's your mission: I want you to battle me. No rules, no cheating. Just plain fighting. Use anything you want: powers, martial arts - as long as it hurts either of us, it counts. Unfortunately, I want to make this a challenge for you. So, I cannot allow you to have any friends of yours join in the battle. This is one on one. Got that? OK, let's do this.
I hope you're ready. I don't take cowards."
Objectives:
Defeat Sheng Dida
Entrance message: "Sheng won't be easy, it seems."
Mission Complete!
3. Beat up some Arachnos (Defeat 25 Arachnos)
"I currently don't have much for you to do. Why don't you do a little Arachnos butt kicking? Yeah, I'm sure they'll learn not to mess with me and you after you do this. Since you're a offical apprentice, you can do this kind of stuff whenever you like. Sound good?
Arachnos won't be a problem for people like you. You're tough enough to handle them."
Mission Complete!
4. Defeat all Arachnos in 1st base
"Good work with Arachnos. Now, for more stuff with Arachnos. They're not happy with your little butt kickings. They're fighting back. Oh, so scary. They have 3 bases which they're planning to use to ambush us. A lot of lies, if you ask me. But you should deal with them anyway. Here's the base locations.
Don't fail me. I'm starting to take intrest in you."
Entrance message: Welcome to the 1st base.
Mission Complete!
5. Defeat all Arachnos in 2nd base
Entrance message: Welcome to the 2nd base.
Mission Complete!
6. Defeat all Arachnos in 3rd base
Entrance message: Welcome to the 3rd base.
Mission Complete!
7. Wipe out the clan
"I've seen you, [villian name]. Keeping me happy and pleasing me. I think the time is now. Yes, I'm letting you onto something very big. Now, the Morea clan is some kind of weird magic clan. Unfortunately, they've been causing problems for both sides of the ponds. I mean, even the heroes are complaining, because they just wreck everything with no thought. I want you to wipe them out - for good. So we won't have any problems. They're arriving at a massive meeting. I want you to eliminate everyone at that meeting. Then the clan - busted. Get it? Yeah? Yeah, I think you're ready for this. Don't say you aren't, because you are. Also, this will be very tricky. Nothing easy will be there for you - they're pretty strong, I tell you. Now, let's do this, eh?
Ah, good. Now go! The Morea clan needs to be wiped from the board!
Objectives:
Defeat Master Morea
Defeat Black Scorpion
Destroy 15 power crystals
Destroy the Morea Powerhouse
Entrance message: "Here it is. Something really big. Sheng is awaiting your success."
CUTSCENE
Morea Master: "We must remove Sheng Dida's apprentice. He has leaned on Arachnos a little too much."
Black Scorpion: "I agree. He could become a threat to us all."
Morea Master: "I'm think we should remove him/her now."
Black Scorpion: "We don't need to come to him/her...he/she has came to us."
Morea Master: "This will be very fun, then."
Mission Complete!
Ending: "Woah, I didn't expect for you to see Black Scorpion there! And what's that? They're dealing with Arachnos? That's a mystery. Oh, and, bad news. There's still some of the clan out there. Which means, you technically failed. So get out of my sight now. You're a complete and utter failure. Oh, sorry to put it all on you. You tried, didn't you? Well, trying isn't enough. As for this involvement with Arachnos, I'll find that out for myself. I have no more for you...failure."
If you talk to after arc is complete: "Failure. Complete failure. I'm sure [active contact name] would be very intrested in a failure like you. Get out of my sight."
EDIT: Fixed word and punctuation typos.