It's pretty useless in PvP, to be honest. You're better off getting Cloaking Device and a +Stealth movement IO.
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if you use -perception powers, you stay visible but if you stack enough, your buddies go invisible.
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if you use -perception powers, you stay visible but if you stack enough, your buddies go invisible.
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Unfortunately, Rooks ain't got any buddies, so he can't test it! 
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It's pretty useless in PvP, to be honest. You're better off getting Cloaking Device and a +Stealth movement IO.
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Um no, you can stack smoke granade. That means with enough of them and cloaking device and stealth IO, you can turn invisable.
Its a viable tactic in small scale team PvP, to simply stack one of the opponents with - perception.
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If Im not mistaken, cloaking device + stealth io is already at nonstalker stealth cap? Or cloaking device is weaker than I remember in which case you get stealth instead and then you are..
If it is -Per, the stealth cap shouldn't matter. After all, you are not buffing your own stealth.
Hmm true. Due to bad sleep my brain is vacant atm. I apologize. I remember testing this against retro-scope at arena though, and smoke grenade+cloaking device was pretty damn weak, even when my toon didnt have any +perception whatsoever.
I only said how it would reasonably work. PvP has a lot of odd coding, so it might actually be that the Per max is somehow applicable here. Better test it before you believe it.
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the duration of smoke grenade debuff along with its recharge are apparently weak as well..
Smoke grenade also doesnt prevent you from being spotted first at a pvp zone for instance, something that is usually a big advantage if the enemy doesnt know you are there.
the only way to make this work would be to give some really good range to the smoke grenade which cant happen since its unslottable for range.At the range of 70 is pretty pointless in zonal PvP at least. Well i could be wrong but i got a PvP AR/dev and when i tried smoke nade in zones the lack of range made it really furstrating. In duels or in arena situations like imaginary described can be useful.
I have a Fire/Dev and respec'd smoke grenade out.. Range wasnt an Issue as I have Stealth IO + Cloaking device... However the -Acc was little more that a special effect.
Doesn't debuff nearly as much as is useful..
I took snipe instead =)
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the only way to make this work would be to give some really good range to the smoke grenade which cant happen since its unslottable for range.At the range of 70 is pretty pointless in zonal PvP at least. Well i could be wrong but i got a PvP AR/dev and when i tried smoke nade in zones the lack of range made it really furstrating. In duels or in arena situations like imaginary described can be useful.
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At normally sized arena maps it isnt much useful either, cause AR/dev is... just... hopeless for arena >_>
AR is hopeless in PvP in general.I was talking more like */dev for arena
/dev is hopeless for arena?
ice/dev pwnz in arena
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i loled at this
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ice/dev pwnz in arena
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/dev is hopeless for arena?
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Hammie...i dunno if its my fever and my English gone bananas but i meant AR/DEV is hopeless in all forms of PvP but */dev can be viable in Arena.
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I dont know it, and thats the truth. You gotta prove it to me
/Dev is viable because of webnade and to a much lesser degree, Cloaking Device. That's pretty much it.
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You got a toon on Union? I have a ice/dev duel build planned which I might respec into, think a lot of people will be suprised of what it can do tbh..
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Also, targeting drone.
targeting drone < build up imo...
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TD was good vs stalkers, and it's always on.
Otherwise BU > TD.
Anyone tested the skill in pvp so you can tell me if Im already fighting someone when I throw a grenade on him, i will dissapear until I attack him again?, like a placate. Or if I already started the fight, it will just put the minor acc on him, but, no affect the perception (bit useless with cloacking device in the same pool...)