I'd like in but I cant commit to much as my Dad had a fairly hefty op today. If you do it before I can commit good luck guys and someone better demo record it for me
"Well, they found my diary today.
They were appropriately appalled
at the discovery of the eight victims
They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"
I just want a Server to have done it for the melee characters really, preferably one of ours, I have my loyalties and rather than shoot my mouth off on how I would try to do it and possibly see it done elsewhere or changes made before we can do it, Id sooner hush it. Evidence of "how" would do no one any favours in terms of finding the game challenging unless we fail and then its just evidence on how not to do it 
Edit 12:32 am. Just been in Defiant RV, Ghost Widow fine. Scorpion fine. Scirroco the swine came too. 3 is a bit excessive for one scrapper. No not dead although end drained :s . Just cant taunt control 3.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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Pah, Lightweight! 
I might be able to come, depends what day + time you're doing it. I'll likely need a bit of notice beforehand so I can get that morning freed up so it'd help immensely if you could decide on a time + date.
Be warned: there's no way am I burning my Spines/DA's last remaining respec on Live. I've far too much time + effort invested into that build to mess it up and lose all the IOs! If you actually require a different non-kheldian melee toon then I can bring a Kat/Regen Scrapper (respeccable) or INV/SS Tanker (not respeccable). 
The Tanker can easily handle LR or a few of the Patron AVs solo the old fashioned way while Unstoppable is running (Unstoppable downtime is slightly over 3 minutes on the current build). Haven't tried the Scrapper lately (soloed GMs back in i6) but it traditionally faceplants a fair bit due to AV PBAoE splash damage.
Mmmm, somehow I feel a tank would probably be weird in an all scrapper STF
Anyway, I'm in any day any time except late night runs. Unfortunately non of my scrappers has any respec available until next freespec or next veteran respec which will be in about 6 months.
I'd be interested in this, just to see if we can do it. I wouldn't be able to Respec my BS/DA Scrapper though and my Claws/Regen Scrapper is 6 levels to low 
I have 2 Area holds, that when run with others may have some effect on the AV's.
The first time I ever did this we managed to take down 3 AV's at once, very easily TBH. I feel the AV's have been toughened up since then though.
I feel that this can be done, it will take planning & probably some kamakazi fighters to pull AV's away if we pull to many.
If we set a date on this (Pref Sun morning) you can count me in!
50's -
Scrappers - Xtream & Ouroboros Enforcer. Controllers - Vanguard Phoenix, Midnight Protector & Mythical Illusion. Tanks - Stone Cold Sober. Blasters - Ultimate Solution & Crey Prototype. Defenders - Lucifer - Bound. Peacebringers - Xtream Justice. Masterminds - Xtream Malfunction. SoA - Arachnid Lord
I'd be put for this, unfortunatly my highest scrapper, ok highest toon, is a couple of bars off 44 atm, but once she's in level range, it sounds interesting to do I must say.
With recovery rates of regens tactics would of been nice but thats not a prob, get yellows for tohit before Mako. Also with regens weapon mastery for its utility tools would of been more easily affordable. Dark armour is nigh on Tank, resists end drain better than me and best of all it gives off nice secondary effects. More than one stacking them would be nice. My friend with a broken digit has been levelling a Dark Armour on Defiant only lvl 33 so far though. One person who can afford to respec would still be handy.
PM me if during the weekends there are times you definately cant be online so that I know where a best fit of 8 people are.
I would do an all Scrapper take down of the GMs on Defiant if it were possible but I know what "some" PVPers are like. I like to see a multitude of people succeed at something and they like to see themselves succeed at something while a multitude fail but still, it is a PVP zone for PVP. My manners aren't good for PVP, my stalker asks people for a fight.
Dont expect to neccessarily debt cap on the STF, debt is entirely avoidable, always was.
An all Tanker STF in one aspect is slightly more complicated and in another less complicated. If we get this done this counts as both as far as I am concerned.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
Thanks for the invite Shannon, but I simply can't make a Saturday or Sunday now.
Please make sure you demorecord the good bits, guys!
"The Hamidon is a what what of what?" - Brian the mission guy.
Demo recording is putting me off the whole idea.
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Once anyone in this knows the method and should it still work it might be best to keep it under wraps and use it, if thats what your toon can afford to be about, only in emergencies.
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What goes on tour, stays on tour. The only thing I want people knowing is the result. The techinique simplifies the game a bit. The game should be challenging and the road to discovery and success the same for all. A demo record is a motion picture guide that could get out...I hate guides.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
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I would do an all Scrapper take down of the GMs on Defiant if it were possible but I know what "some" PVPers are like. I like to see a multitude of people succeed at something and they like to see themselves succeed at something while a multitude fail but still, it is a PVP zone for PVP. My manners aren't good for PVP, my stalker asks people for a fight.
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Sorry Shannon, I struggle sometimes to follow your train of thought and this paragraph in particular has me confused. What has PvP got to do with fighting GMs? There are no GMs in the PvP zones.
If you're referring to Shivans and Warburg Nukes, Nukes are far easier to get ahead of time, and it's virtually impossible to prevent an 8-man team from taking out a firebase in Bloody Bay... but they're not needed. Back in i6 my Regen could solo most GMs, and last issue he was comfortably duoing them with my Sonic Defender. Eight scrappers will have no trouble with anything short of Lusca, YuKon'Grai or Hamidon. Without Shivans/Nukes.
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For my money, I'd say an all Tanker STF is not on anywhere near the same level of difficulty as an all-Scrapper or all Blaster STF. All are doable and have been done on the US boards before... by all reports the All-Tanker STF is by far the easiest of the three because all you need is one solid Granite Tanker with taunt and someone else to kite Ghost Widow - the rest can all be standard Scranker builds- eg. Fire/EM with FA.
Those 54s AVs in RV have GM modifiers.
All defender and all controller STFs have been done afaik unless you can link me otherwise.
One of the Saturdays, the last Saturday there was a post to do an all Tanker STF on that day on the Justice Server iirc I wanted badly to be hitting an all Scrapper STF same day but test server wasn't running again. They didn't have people turn up so that didn't happen.
My train of thought is always all over the place
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
Links to Google Cache don't appear to work quite right here, so apologies in advance for the below format.
All-Blaster STF -
http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:wHMqL...;cd=1&gl=uk
(Although the discussed attempt failed apparently it's been successful several times)
All-Tanker STF -
http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cachePAdA...&lr=lang_en
(There are a few other threads about it that I can't get into due to forum pruning - outcome unknown)
All-Scrapper STF -
http://66.102.9.104/search?q=cache:qR7Od...&lr=lang_en
(Can't find several other threads pertaining to this- darn pruning again. Am assuming from the tone of this thread that they haven't been successful yet though)
And yes, there's Controller and Defender STFs all over the place...
The Tanker STF attempt in particular that I was thinking of was from a discussion on a SG website... which I can't remember the URL of for the life of me. Will see if it's still in my Home PC's history after work. The general idea was "Granite > anything but Ghost Widow" though, IIRC Vengence and Shivans were used for GW and the rest was pretty much cake. Ice Patch + Burn on the repairmen seemed to be pretty much the clincher.
Replying here because If I tweak the above post it'll break the stupid Google Cache links again.
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Ah, I see.
I've never really counted them as being GMs because they typically only need a few people to beat. When someone says "GM" I think of something that's actually a Giant Monster, like Kraken/Babbage/Adamastor/etc.
The only GM that I've heard of spawning in a PvP zone is the Kronos Titan (an end-of-mission "ambush" that goes after the mission arc owner regardless of what zone they're in- even at a Hamidon Raid at one point).
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Im sorry, i cant make saturday or sunday, as im out the whole (long) weekend.
Maybe some other time tho.
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Shift 50 DM/DA Scrapper ][ TTL 50 Kat/Reg Scrapper ][ Shabriel 50 Peacebringer ][ Ion Shift 46 Rad/Rad Corruptor ][ Thermal Shift 35 Fire/Fire Blaster
"A Scrapper is a lot like a chainsaw. Somewhat hard to handle, incredibly dangerous, and by far the most fun when wielded by the slightly insane."
My idea on how I was gonna attempt an all blaster STF was fubarred. My next idea revolved around 8 /Devs with the Selfish Epic and G knows what can happen.
That all Tanker STF was the one that was gonna happen on the Saturday after I first wanted an STF here to happen but the Test server went down. The next Saturday I wanted to do it just before they got to, but test went down again leaving me wondering if they were gonna do it as I wanted to beat them to the punch.
Aeon is the Pig for scrappers. No question. I don't have enough knowledge on him really as he is not someone I have been able to toy with. I am assuming a worst, but not a complete worry. It could come to just be a pain in the butt of a pull and set up. I wouldn't care if the entire load of warburgs was used on him and all the shivans. Every nuke and shiv is at disposal right there because when it comes to Inner Circle, the flyer and LR I am not convinced we need them temps. Leaderships are nice but not a necessity or if all goes suspiciously too well, a single resurrect. The run in fight, plant, run in fight, plant is with an initial good pull, avoidable, and I will rather attempt more pulls to get it.
The modifiers between GMs and AV that do change don't effect my ability to be tanking any of them. So without going back to double check whether those particular AVs in RV do have modifiers in order to be made challenging for "more than one team" for sure, which although I am sure of, I am open to not being 100% correct on it.
Scirroco and Aeon are gonna be the hard ones for me. It "used" to be GW with support (right at the beginning) but now its Scirroco without support, sound strange? Won't be strange if and when you see why. One single secondary effect puts him right with the others though.
Through a select combination of secondary effects which are pretty much unrated in everyday game in combination with the limits of what AVs can and can't do we should gain survivability against all of them....but with Scirroco and Aeon thats said with a "hopefully". Even lvl AVs not in GV we can keymash, you can tank the psi ones or anyone you like as well and then in GV as no one else would respec I will personally tank them hopefully one at a time especially cos we blew all our temps on Aeon.
I'd like to see peoples power choices (not slots) to know what secondary effects are available. I really don't like Scirroco and it maybe a case of Scirroco getting completely keymashed with us all in G mode with you as tank for him Maelwys as you have end resists, pop lucks anyway. Might try to have to do him first by trying to seperate him on his travel power.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
"GV": Assume that's the last mission?
"G mode": not sure what that is.
Scirocco's End Drain shouldn't be a problem if I'm just taunting and running my armors, though his energy attacks could well be since Dark has no Dull Pain, a somewhat unreliable heal (unless you let me keep a few minions nearby) and only 20-25% Energy Resists (well, mine has 27.3%, but you get the idea... 
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Nightdagger's current build is here, hasn't changed in over 3 months.
i repeat that i cant do it this weekend, but if you want to do it later, heres my current build.
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With now 1 cyto in FA (want to buy them, but they arent available.)
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Shift 50 DM/DA Scrapper ][ TTL 50 Kat/Reg Scrapper ][ Shabriel 50 Peacebringer ][ Ion Shift 46 Rad/Rad Corruptor ][ Thermal Shift 35 Fire/Fire Blaster
"A Scrapper is a lot like a chainsaw. Somewhat hard to handle, incredibly dangerous, and by far the most fun when wielded by the slightly insane."
GV is last mission. G mode is god mode. You can kite amongst 3-4 of the easiest minions for a heal (I do with my Dark Brute). I'll pass you lucks, sturdies and aid other you an all.
When I tank the others with my scrapper, by kiting, not only would all the other scrappers have damage removed off of them and so can just keep fighting they can fight with their toggles off and save end. By sacrificing my DPS I boost the teams DPS. If most people were to drop there is no DPS.
The only way to kite Mako is through me flying and using the fact that he is incapable of flying. Scirroco with lack of immobs and -fly would also fly and so with limited -fly he would need to be kited on the ground. All in all better to go Dark for him.
Aeon is the pig imo, do Aeon, we do em all.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
No need to know the build, just the powerpicks. Most people keep their builds to themselves (I do) I have the oddest builds out of all the Tankers, Scrappers and Brutes, no build on any forum slots like me XD . I am probably easily on my own in them.
However in your build there are no secondary effects I can make use of other than damage, -tohit and stacking toggle effects with Maelwys would be nice. I do like Dark. Attacks are ideally slotted btw as fights might get long in duration.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
As shown in his above linked build, Nightdagger has Oppressive Gloom but not Cloak of Fear (fear's generally pants when you're damaging things with AoE powers, and the -tohit is unnoticable).
It could get interesting if we could get 3 or four /DAs all running Oppressive Gloom (Mag 2 PBAoE Stun) though. Perma-stunned AVs when the purple triangles are down...
Aeon's never been much of a problem for me on the STF before, my Sonic/Elec defender can keep all the EB clones permanently End drained and once that's accomplished the AV is very very easy (providing the temp power is used when appropriate). If we can take the clones out of the fight (think a taunting scrapper in purple-insp-heaven or God Mode running off with them) then Aeon will die quickly.
I see two starting options for the Aeon fight:
(i) For the initial Alpha Strike a /DA could run in, get aggro and then stun them all with the self rez, which would allow time for a second scrapper to start taunting the EBs. I'm quite happy to be a suicide rezzer if the situation calls for it, it's not like a Spines/DA has trouble paying off debt...
(ii) Alternatively I (or another Spines/) could purple-up, jump in, spam AoEs to get aggro and then run off with everything in tow, another scrap could then taunt Aeon and ONLY Aeon off me (since scrapper taunt is single-target) and whlile the rest of the team ganks him I'd be running about with the clones, cycling taunts on them.
The -tohit is good for SR's which is me! A whole team of DAs is overpowered. Someone running off with the clones should be good, I never tried it as on Shannon I just herd the lot. DAs taking an alpha to Soul transfer sounds sweet. With a DA in the team it'll probably turn out to be less awkward than without. I fancy Invulns as a second wave after DAs. Then plenty of that buff regen Nuke then all in maybe.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.
It's 5% -Tohit base and VERY endurance heavy, so slotting is tricky. Given that Oppressive Gloom costs far less endurance and is much more useful on a AoE-damage toon, not many /DAs take CoF for PvE these days.
Also bear in mind that it'll be applying less than half that -tohit value when you're fighting +4 AVs, so realistically you'd actually be better off taking Combat Jumping or Maneuvers for the defense buffs (!!).
I think herding the clones is where you're going wrong on a Scrapper heavy team. There's no need to worry about killing the clones at all since they all die when Aeon does, just keep them occupied elsewhere while the majority of the team whomps on Aeon... I doubt we'd actually need any temp powers at all for it, just a Scrapper with a full tray of purples, good movement and taunt.
A good /Regen would probably be best at kiting, or possibly a /SR or /INV to alternate between purples and "God Mode", but my Spines/DA would be up for it if you can get another person to taunt Aeon off me...
A good /Regen is downright amazing at kiting given the proper surroundings. Back with the CoP trial was live, my Katana/Regen allowed my SG team to recover from a full wipe by kiting the big Psionic GM around and around a pillar inside the boss room... he could survive his ranged damage indefinately and got a LOT of laughs...
Normally kiting isn't used much in CoX because AVs have ranged attacks and natural regeneration (which defeats the purpose of the traditional MMORPG "Damage-over-Time attacks + kiting" strategy)... but there's no reason not to kite if you just need to keep something busy but not actually defeat it (eg. Aeon's EB clones).
Have all of DM except Siphon Life and Confront.
Have all of SR except Agile
Have Dark Blast, Pet Gaze and TT from Dark epic
ToF is fully slotted for -tohit and thanks to HOs its recharge is fairly nice too
"Well, they found my diary today.
They were appropriately appalled
at the discovery of the eight victims
They're now putting it all together.
Women wrapped in silk
with one leg missing
Eight legs, one body, silk,
spider, brilliant!"
Here is my build:
Dark Melee: Smite, Shadow Maul, Midnight Grasp, Dark Consumption, Siphon Life
SR: All 9 powers
Pools: Air Superiority, flight, boxing, tough, weave, swift, health, stamina and focused accuracy
With current set bonuses equipped, defenses are 43% on melee, 48% on ranged and 46% AoE
If you prefer my Katana/Inv:
Katana: All except Gambler's Cut and Calling the Wolf.
Invulnerability: All 9 powers
Pools: combat jumping, super jump, boxing, tough, focused accuracy and of course swift, health and stamina.
Send me a PM anyone who wants in, its likely a Sat morning or Sun morning due to the fact that I get home about 11pm. I am usually asleep Sat morning i sleep 4am to 1 pm normally and so would only appreciate people who will show up, not name drop themselves and then disappear into the void.
I will ask to see if a couple of Union players would transfer for this. One of my closest friends who was in on this last time, has learnt this technique has a broken digit and I have to check up on him.
Thing with Live is, if someone pulls out at any point, for any reason they have jeopardised the team because maybe some players can't wait to carry on at another date.
I haven't checked if the game is still the same ie any modifications have been made that we don't know about to AVs. "Wiskers" got corrected to "Whiskers" and "who knew?" but the maths behind what I aim to be doing is backed up by outside resources I could put links to, (if we don't pull it off) and so you would know there has been a change.
Another thing with Live is, if a possible respecification is needed for any certain secondary effect then that may be asked of. Its a challenge that ain't been done. Thats why I want to do it.
Once anyone in this knows the method and should it still work it might be best to keep it under wraps and use it, if thats what your toon can afford to be about, only in emergencies.
He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.