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Hammerfall, Noxious Gas has a 4 second mag 1000 hold as one of its effects.
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Source please. Especially seeing it doesn't take Hold Enh's as far as I'm aware. =\
2 things.
1 - I actually have the power.
2 - Ever heard of http://coh.nofuture.org.uk?
Am I the only one that uses it?
@Sweet Chilli
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People were discussing the animation caused by a power in Traps. SinghMC mentioned that hero heavies cause the same animation (different power, but same problem)
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What problem?
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My MA IDs:
Fiend Space: 211464
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2 things.
1 - I actually have the power.
2 - Ever heard of http://coh.nofuture.org.uk?
Am I the only one that uses it?
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I'm pretty sure it lists the power as doing -DMG, -ACC, -RES, - DEF, +Special , note the lack of Hold, though I assume the "Special" is either a Hold or the Animation.
Also, City of Data (yes I did check, however there's SQL errors all over the shop for the Noxious Gas pet summon that does the effects, although it does list Hold I severely doubt it's Mag1000).
I also find it odd that /Poison would get what is in effect three Holds in the set.
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I also find it odd that /Poison would get what is in effect three Holds in the set.
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Is /poisons poison trap that great though? Any MM I've spoken to reckons they are pants compared to the /traps version. That would make 1 hold and a pseudohold, about the same as /dark and less than ice blast. Btw. does anyone know what level of debuffs the acid mortar spits out? I cant seem to find em anywhere.
My MA IDs:
Fiend Space: 211464
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2 things.
1 - I actually have the power.
2 - Ever heard of http://coh.nofuture.org.uk?
Am I the only one that uses it?
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I'm pretty sure it lists the power as doing -DMG, -ACC, -RES, - DEF, +Special , note the lack of Hold, though I assume the "Special" is either a Hold or the Animation.
Also, City of Data (yes I did check, however there's SQL errors all over the shop for the Noxious Gas pet summon that does the effects, although it does list Hold I severely doubt it's Mag1000).
I also find it odd that /Poison would get what is in effect three Holds in the set.
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I guess some people just don't know the powersets as well as others.
I'm sure you will see the light when he gets that part of it fixed again.
The hold part of poison trap is very poor in the poison set as is the one from neurotoxic breath.
@Sweet Chilli
Hammerfall and Extremus - you can check out the power now - the website is displaying the powers correctly.
@Sweet Chilli
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2 things.
1 - I actually have the power.
2 - Ever heard of http://coh.nofuture.org.uk?
Am I the only one that uses it?
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I'm pretty sure it lists the power as doing -DMG, -ACC, -RES, - DEF, +Special , note the lack of Hold, though I assume the "Special" is either a Hold or the Animation.
Also, City of Data (yes I did check, however there's SQL errors all over the shop for the Noxious Gas pet summon that does the effects, although it does list Hold I severely doubt it's Mag1000).
I also find it odd that /Poison would get what is in effect three Holds in the set.
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Neurotoxic breath has a hold element in pve only.
As for nofuture, its still not displaying things correctly enough. First, it also lists noxious gas as 0% chance for hold. Second, it doesnt say whose noxious gas 'pet' that is. Third, get realistic. I also happen to have a poison mastermind although I dont have noxious gas yet, I did test it during test server event. Its an autohit debuff on mainly res, apparently on def and toHit as well. Thats it.
Although I have been wrong before, I'd be willing to bet real money that noxious gas does not contain an unresistable mag 1000 autohit PbAoE toggle (centered on henchman) hold in pvp thats up 45 seconds out of about 90.
Recently I have found the 'pet' and 'pets' lists of nofuture somewhat difficult to decipher. Can't say I have much faith in them currently. Remember that these nofuture power lists have not been updated for I8, and Iakona has said it is unlikely they will ever reach such accuracy as they did before.
And lastly, /poison sets poison trap does sleep, not hold.
ps. Try to get back on track, we were discussing traps, not poison.
I heard it had a 1000 mag hold from a thug/poison guide on the US forums.
My MA IDs:
Fiend Space: 211464
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I heard it had a 1000 mag hold from a thug/poison guide on the US forums.
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Im sure we have lvl 50 poison masterminds here somewhere.. any chance to test?
ps. I assume you talked about noxious gas?
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I heard it had a 1000 mag hold from a thug/poison guide on the US forums.
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Im sure we have lvl 50 poison masterminds here somewhere.. any chance to test?
ps. I assume you talked about noxious gas?
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Yep. lasts 4 seconds or something according to what i read.
My MA IDs:
Fiend Space: 211464
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I heard it had a 1000 mag hold from a thug/poison guide on the US forums.
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Im sure we have lvl 50 poison masterminds here somewhere.. any chance to test?
ps. I assume you talked about noxious gas?
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City of Data lists it as 0% chance which according to iakona is actually 0.2% per tick (rounded down). But yes, a Mag 1000 hold.
CoX 50s: <ill/rad> <ice/ice> <fire/kin> <grav/sonic> <ice/storm> <earth/kin> <kin/elec> <cold/psy> <thugs/dark> <fire/dark> <dark/elec> <night widow> <EM/ninj> <mind/icy>
Hmm. So if opponent would voluntarily stand in the cloud for its entire duration (45 secs was it? ) chance that they would be held at least once during that period is, um, 18%? Such a rare chance its no wonder I hadn't heard about it before. Mag 1000 holds are still nasty..
For pvp purposes the chance might as well be 0, since opponents are unlikely to voluntarily stand in the cloud.
That it would have a low chance to hold per tick didnt cross my mind, so I couldn't figure out what the nofuture listing meant. Sorry about sounding sceptic.
Appology accepted.
It a level 38 power though so doesn't require a lvl 50 */poison to check.
I have used it in the arena. Its pretty hard for a melee character not to stand in it, if they want to hit the MM that is stood next to his big henchy.
It does hit and it can be effective, but as its only 4 seconds its not an 'I win' power. Your method of calculating is wrong though, or the % tohit chance is. If you wish for me to show you this power, then contact me in the game somehow. Better to do this before venturing an opinion on its usefulness. 'Better to be thought a fool...'
Imagine how much I wanted my MM to become a hero though and stand next to hami 
@Sweet Chilli
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I don't know what power you are on about as the heavies don't use the same noxious gas or poison trap that we are talking about.
What power are you on about?
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Follow the thread. People were discussing the animation caused by a power in Traps. SinghMC mentioned that hero heavies cause the same animation (different power, but same problem), and my reply was about this issue. You then replied to me, so I assumed you were talking about the heavy attack.