Minionless Mastermind?
Your chances are way below zero if you do that, pal...a Mastermind is not a Mastermind wiithout his pets.
It is doable - check our US Counterparts' Mastermind Ironman Challenge
Of course, its in the same sort of league as all Power Pool builds. Hard to do, and only really an intellectual exercise.
I think the damage per endurance is poor on the attacks so i wouldnt think you would do well at all really. Possibly the longest road to 50 if ya solo.
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Minionless mastermind could however maybe be played as a defender-type of character. They have nice secondaries with little minion-specific stuff. Not something Id recommend though. This just shows how 'pre-designed' the devs made the COV ATs.
Just rolled one myself, actually. Spotted that /Traps gets an FF generator and, being mad about FF, I decided I had to have one. However, I already have a Bots/FF and a Necro/Poison, and didn't fancy any of the other pets - so, after choosing between Mercs gun and Bots gun, I settled on a pet-less Mercs/Traps build.
Of course, I only got him out of the training mish before I logged off - it's late and I can hardly see >_< Still uncertain as to which power pools to take - it's between fitness, leaping (for CJ), medicine, concealment (for stealth, maybe invis too) & fighting.
Anyway, good luck if you decide to try it - sure it'll be fun.
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Thi is definitely a topic I'll be keeping an eye on, I do like 'breaking' games, or at least not playing them as intended. Deus Ex was a classic for this where it was possible to KO one character and carry them with you for nearly the whole game.
If you are wanting to create a character in this vein, you're actually wanting to create a Corruptor. The only reason I can see for using a Mastermind AT to achieve this is if you want to use a Primary/Secondary combination not available to Corruptors (Pistols, Forcefields, etc.)
I'd only ever do it purely for concept though.
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So, 'The Elitist' just hit lvl 8. Fun to play so far and not as bad as I though it would be, but I'm sure that'll all change after DOs are available. Was lucky enough to get a party invite at lvl 5, despite having a "NO PETS" search commment.
Here's his build thus far-
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Name: The Elitist
Level: 8
Archetype: Mastermind
Primary: Mercenaries
Secondary: Traps
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01 => Web Grenade ==> Empty(1)
01 => Burst ==> Empty(1),Empty(3),Empty(5)
02 => Slug ==> Empty(2),Empty(3),Empty(5)
04 => Triage Beacon ==> Empty(4),Empty(7),Empty(7)
06 => Caltrops ==> Empty(6)
08 => M30 Grenade ==> Empty(8)
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01 => Sprint ==> Empty(1)
01 => Brawl ==> Empty(1)
02 => Rest ==> Empty(1)
Let's see if I can at least get him to 16 for the FF gen. After all, that's why I made him in the first place.
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@Jay Leon Hart
Kerensky: this has nothing to do with underwear
Zwillinger: I put on my robe and wizard hat...
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I plan on doing this when I'm able to respec the first time. Can't be all too bothered to create a new mastermind and stay dedicated (especially since I'm happy with his power sets).
I'll send a shout when that time happens. Could be a wait.
Quite anxious to see how this turns out for you, leonhart.
Speaking on this, why don't corrupters get a twin pistols power set?
I know I shouldn't take attacks really, but I can't help it on my Thugs MM, they look so badass!
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Speaking on this, why don't corrupters get a twin pistols power set?
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Watch this space. Positron has... confermed that 'Akimbo Pistols' are bcoming a Corruptor power set. We don't have a date though
Incorrect, Posi said it's a set he would like to do, which is not the same thing.
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Name: The Elitist
Level: 8
Archetype: Mastermind
Primary: Mercenaries
Secondary: Traps
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01 => Web Grenade ==> Empty(1)
01 => Burst ==> Empty(1),Empty(3),Empty(5)
02 => Slug ==> Empty(2),Empty(3),Empty(5)
04 => Triage Beacon ==> Empty(4),Empty(7),Empty(7)
06 => Caltrops ==> Empty(6)
08 => M30 Grenade ==> Empty(8)
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01 => Sprint ==> Empty(1)
01 => Brawl ==> Empty(1)
02 => Rest ==> Empty(1)
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A minionless Mastermind using sets that are available as a Corruptor? Erm... okay if you want the challenge I guess! I'd have just rolled up an AR/Traps Corruptor though! (and I did)
Yeah, not sure why you'd make a minionless mastermind with the merc/traps set, because both of them are available for Corruptors, and you'd certainly find an AR/Traps Corruptor a lot less frustrating than a minionless merc/traps, imho.
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A minionless Mastermind using sets that are available as a Corruptor? Erm... okay if you want the challenge I guess! I'd have just rolled up an AR/Traps Corruptor though! (and I did)
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Yeah, not sure why you'd make a minionless mastermind with the merc/traps set, because both of them are available for Corruptors, and you'd certainly find an AR/Traps Corruptor a lot less frustrating than a minionless merc/traps, imho.
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D'oh! I didn't know - really should look at the sets a little closer
@Jay Leon Hart
Kerensky: this has nothing to do with underwear
Zwillinger: I put on my robe and wizard hat...
Synapse: I had to resist starting my last post off with "Yo dawg!"
No minions? you will be better off as a corruptor
No matter, suicidal tendancies aside..with the right secondery, It can be somewhat doable, Give FF a try..or perhaps Trapps..poison might also do the trick?
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A minionless Mastermind using sets that are available as a Corruptor? Erm... okay if you want the challenge I guess! I'd have just rolled up an AR/Traps Corruptor though! (and I did)
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Yeah, not sure why you'd make a minionless mastermind with the merc/traps set, because both of them are available for Corruptors, and you'd certainly find an AR/Traps Corruptor a lot less frustrating than a minionless merc/traps, imho.
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D'oh! I didn't know - really should look at the sets a little closer
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Merc MM's gun looks better than the super soaker a corruptor uses?
Yeah, I checked out an AR Corr and it's the same lame version that Blasters get - think I'll stick to my MM but get the 2nd tier pet (seeing as they have the same gun with a silencer )
@Jay Leon Hart
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I've rolled a MM without minions using pistols, and so far having got to level 10 with hasten, end red on the pistols and some planning, its really fun to play!
bloody challenging though!
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I had a thought earlier, while bored of watching my minions do all the work for me as a thug mastermind...
What would be the survival chances of making a mastermind without minions? Thugs, for sure, are given a small range of gun-related attacks, and I think thats the same for all other power sets. If I were to respec later on, avoid taking any minion-related powers and get a few defences from power pools (combat jumping/tough/weave), slot my attacks with damage enhancements to cloud seven and whatever else they may need to be handy and put a few thoughts into my traps power set (may not have been the best power set to choose, i have to admit), how well off do you reckon I can survive?
Has this been tried before, and are there any guides on the subject?