Fire Vs Ice Mastery

Hey would it be worth using my veteran respec to switch from fire mastery to ice? or wait till I get my second fire epic power, because I'm just thinking... with consume it requires foes and has a chance of missing and only recovers endurance which is a good thing but then theres also hibernation, a cooler version of Rest and provides invulnerability for 30 seconds, you also get the 2 defense shields from both epics Fire Shield and Frozen Armour and finally fire mastery has 2 fire blast whilst ice has one blast but one AoE Ice Storm which in someways similar to Fireball imo Ice Mastery would be the better option here for a fire/rad controller such as my self...
Long Story short: is it worth respecing out just one power with my vet respec just so I can switch Epic Power pools? Or should I wait till I get my next power?

Not an easy question as they're both great.

Both has it's advantages and it's very much up to playstyle.

Try it out on test before respec'ing on live anyway.

I have done and I much very like the Ice Mastery more than I do Fire Mastery I'm just thinking if its worth wasting a respec just to get rid of one unslotted power...

Personally I would wait a bit and respec at 47 once you've tried out the other powers. As Archn00b said, both are great, but quite different: Fire is a much more aggressive set and I would probably take both blasts and the shield (Consume only if you have endurance problems). Ice is more defensive: Hibernate is great and although Ice Storm does some very nice damage, you can't really use it in the same way as Fire Ball (which is very good - even in its nerfed state - as soon as you hit 42). The shield is also very nice but I would probably skip Ice Blast from the set.

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I have done and I much very like the Ice Mastery more than I do Fire Mastery I'm just thinking if its worth wasting a respec just to get rid of one unslotted power...

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when my Fire/kin reached ancillary levels i went for Fire first but when the nerf came i changed to Ice and i never regretted it.

Hibernate - excellent panic button, leaves you invulnerable (and unable to do anything) to everything while it gives you really awesome regen/recovery for the duration of the power.

Frozen Armor - Nice +Def to smash/lethal, pretty good +Res to cold and some +Res to fire

Ice Blast - even after the nerf damage vs End use isnt too shabby, i have it and like it.

Ice Storm - huge AoE power (have to target the ground to execute), Auto-hit in both PvE and PvP, some ppl will say that the damage is low but they usually only look at one foe at a time, being such a large AoE it does good damage and even if the enemie wasnt in the AoE when you pulled it off it will hit them if they enter the area. (Great as a way to unbalance the Regen of EB's/AV's)

only downpart of Ice Storm would be the recharge on it, but personally that hasnt been a problem since i'm /kin and have both siphon speed and hasten.

on the Fire part...

i didnt really take it past slotting Fire Ball, after the nerf the damage vs End Use just put me off totally, in my eyes its just a waste of End really.

Fire Blast - never took the pool this far but i could probably see this as being rather useful despite the nerf.

Fire Shield - +Res to smash/lethal(/fire), personally i prefer having a +Def power, especially being a squishy.

Consume - i guess this can be useful when you're not /kin but ofc its a matter of taste and what powers you run and how activevly you use them. if i had a non-kin i'd probably take it. (allthough i find Hibernate to be a more useful power to regen/recover hp/end, and much safer too)

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Ice Storm - huge AoE power (have to target the ground to execute), Auto-hit in both PvE and PvP, some ppl will say that the damage is low but they usually only look at one foe at a time, being such a large AoE it does good damage and even if the enemie wasnt in the AoE when you pulled it off it will hit them if they enter the area. (Great as a way to unbalance the Regen of EB's/AV's)

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yeah I was thinking since controllers get Containment wouldn't the Ice Storm do more damamage any ways and in larger range than Fireball?
For example; Fire Cages + Ice Storm + Containment + Fire Imps = Moderate AoE Dots?

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Ice Storm - huge AoE power (have to target the ground to execute), Auto-hit in both PvE and PvP, some ppl will say that the damage is low but they usually only look at one foe at a time, being such a large AoE it does good damage and even if the enemie wasnt in the AoE when you pulled it off it will hit them if they enter the area. (Great as a way to unbalance the Regen of EB's/AV's)

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yeah I was thinking since controllers get Containment wouldn't the Ice Storm do more damamage any ways and in larger range than Fireball?
For example; Fire Cages + Ice Storm + Containment + Fire Imps = Moderate AoE Dots?

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It does now that Ice Storm gets Containment damage. But it's recharge is almost 4 times that of Fire Ball, and it's DoT, while FB is mostly up-front.

Can I just put a pitch in for Earth now? If you're looking for survivability tools and a bit of damage, look no further!
Fissure: I slotted this up 2 acc, 2 disorient 2 recharge. It's really handy, when I'm jumping spawn to spawn, I won't always have flashfire/cinders up. I have, however, fissure! It has a 50% chance to disorient, and a 50% chance to knockup, making it a nice control tool for the arsonal, seeing as you can get a good duration on it. I didn't slot it for damage as I was /kin ('Nuff said).

Hurl Boulder- Sucks, skip. IMO.

Rock armour- def, sweet def. Nicer than res, as you can sometimes dodge mezzes, and slows, etc. I like it

Earth's Embrace- Dull Pain. Lovely for surviving lots. Also doubles as a big self heal power too. Makes you feel a bit less squishy.

Just thought I'd say it, I hate seeing this overlooked

you can slot ice storm for recharge instead of damage since it's auto hit.

3 damage 3 recharge

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you can slot ice storm for recharge instead of damage since it's auto hit.

3 damage 3 recharge

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I assume you mean accuracy, right? Sure, that would be the standard slotting, but even with only 1 rchg in FB, it still recharges in about half the time of IS. As I said before, I would suggest that the OP stick to Fire for now not to waste a respec then at 47 test IS and see if he prefers it.

according to my hero planner Hasten and AM should make it recharge as quickly as Fireball

and thanks for the suggestion of Earth Mastery Spirit however even though I'm sure you could probably fit in with my Characters uuh background(?) (Firefighter Frank the Fire/Rad/Earth controller doesnt go too well thx for the suggestion though I'll probably get firefighter to 44 that way atleast then I can do the Respec TF and get a second respec and have 2 powers to try out on test)
But atm Ice is still looking cooler to me hellooo! panic button Hibernation!

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Hurl Boulder- Sucks, skip. IMO.


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i probably shouldnt say this aloud like this, but i'm gonna do it anyways, still does 2x damage with containment, wich makes it less sucky but the fact that you gotta be on the ground to use it kinda stings.

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according to my hero planner Hasten and AM should make it recharge as quickly as Fireball

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Not if you use Hasten and AM with Fire Ball . In any case, you will only have Ice Storm fully slotted at level 50, so the main point is: do you prefer more damage per second until level 50? (then stick with Fire) or do you prefer a panic button? (then switch to Ice)

Panic buttons most defiantly besides I'm now thinking on reconstructing my build some powers I hardly use that much any more these days... say does Fallout work with pets? ^^ or is it player only =/

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... say does Fallout work with pets? ^^ or is it player only =/

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Tbh I haven't tried it...but afaik it doesn't....would be surprised if it did.

just tried it out on test, it doesn't work with pets which is a damn shame as I would just love to fling my fire imps corpse at the enemie after doing something stupid
soo probably gonna change that to Choking Cloud