Just speaking from the perspective of a dark/fire brute here, I have found Twisted slightly too squishy post 40 as I have said on other threads 
Denomic has helped a lot). Rebuilding her to build fury better (best defense a good offense 
) has made the late 40s solo mishs easier (relentless for your info) and she is now at 48. With this in mind if you want to roll a /fire in the end game I would probably go with fire/fire for raw damage personally. But if you like your toys and dream of the day a regen brute becomes available (like never)go with dark/fire (full of nice if not hard hitting powers and great set of recovery powers 
). Certainly the love given to healing flames is very noticable (near 800 hp) and is up a lot (and heals of course the best form of defence against all damage types). However if rolling at present I would be more tempted to roll a dark/elec or fire/elec perhaps. Hope this helps and just my opinion.
DD
Wouldn't recommend /fire as a LRSF brute but perhaps some /fires who have actually done the mish can answer that part of the question for you. But my feeling -well can work toward your next badge for toon death .
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Just speaking from the perspective of a dark/fire brute here, I have found Twisted slightly too squishy post 40 as I have said on other threads Denomic has helped a lot). Rebuilding her to build fury better (best defense a good offense ) has made the late 40s solo mishs easier (relentless for your info) and she is now at 48.
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Get boxing/tough/weave and you aint damn squishy the -tohit from EVERY attack you do on DM STACKS so in effect gives you +def
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With this in mind if you want to roll a /fire in the end game I would probably go with fire/fire for raw damage personally. But if you like your toys and dream of the day a regen brute becomes available (like never)go with dark/fire (full of nice if not hard hitting powers and great set of recovery powers ). Certainly the love given to healing flames is very noticable (near 800 hp) and is up a lot (and heals of course the best form of defence against all damage types). However if rolling at present I would be more tempted to roll a dark/elec or fire/elec perhaps. Hope this helps and just my opinion.
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quite happy with damage output on mine, soul drain and firery embrace is good
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Wouldn't recommend /fire as a LRSF brute but perhaps some /fires who have actually done the mish can answer that part of the question for you. But my feeling -well can work toward your next badge for toon death .
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i have done the RSF a LOT with my DM/FA brute very nicely TYVM and know 2 other /fire brutes off the top of my head done this quite nicely as well, so sorry DD but i got to completely disagree with that statement above from an experianced point of view.
DM/FA depends how you build it as to how good or squishy you are,i found on grief returned lvl 40+ before i got tough especialy but weave as well, that i was squishy as hell(just after issue 7 had launched) once had fully slotted tough and weave, well not so squishy anymore, been finding lately that 1 on 1 with scrappers and brutes well still waiting for someone able to drop grief 1 on 1
on a scrapper lol
but for griefs build have a look at this post
http://uk.boards.cityofheroes.com/showfl...ge=0#Post755036
Trix firstly am not trying to start a flame war here just trying to answer the original question which was whats better for end game fire or dark with /fire with some reasons that are just my opinion. I obviously like the brute as she is 48 as well (I hasten to add that my power choices/slotting and yours are very similar) and I also went boxing and tough (identical slotting). Your choice of weave is very interesting though as I have previously thought that you got relatively little defence post ED. May have to try this on test now-ty.
AS I stated I have no LSRF experience and I am glad see there is hope lol (by the way do the other /fire brutes use weave). I was NOT of course saying that we can not do the LSRF but suggesting perhaps that some brute secondaries are perhaps more optomised and suitable for it eg/stone. This was in an attempt to answer the posters question. I will of course doo the sf with twisted when debt doesnt matter at 50. BUT I would be suprised if I faceplanted less than a stone brute with access to granite with similar gaming abilities as me
Trix-totally agree with that I7 statement by the way-before I7 she was great (with an nrg/regen stalker I teamed with trying to keep up) but looking at the build weave is really the only major difference so I will have to try it now. Of course as you state weave will benifit from the -acc debuff generated from all the dark primary so that maybe why such a noticable difference.
DD
sorry if i gave the impressing i'm flaming or trying to start a flame war lol
with a good team behind you doesn't matter what the brute is really, good team you'll face plant a little if at all, some RSFs the team i do with on a reg basis, sometimes face plants other times doesn't face plant - go figure lol
as for debt/xp etc
i'm using me stone/stone as well for the rsf he's lvl 47 now, was 46 and did face plant at one stage, but debt was cleared within 2 AVs 
so i wouldn't be bothered about debt on it :P besides what better way than to ding 50 on a RSF and gain a HO out of it, kinda like doing a hammie raid coh side and dinging 50 on that :P
plus you get all them lovely lvl 52/53 SOs suited to your origin, so moment you ding lvl 49/50 a lot of nice SOs in which to fully slot your powers with :P
atm i'm also contemplating dropping SS as final power and swapping it for taunt for now, got 2 respecs avail on grief atm, and can go do third respec trial to gain another. jsut debating cause taunt might need to pull the AVs in, kin on team i dont need to use dark consumption or consume for end, so have been using em for extra dps and also to agro the AVs on me more, keep em focused as much as possible on me than on the rest of the team :P all i'll say is rsf wise vengence is a MUST, tried the rsf one a team without vengence and that was the only rsf i've been on that's EVER failed, every other one been done successfuly
grief IS a bit end heavy atm, but the more HOs i get the more slot efficent i can make grief, and also slot some extra endurance reduct in via SOs or better HOs but not at the point of having enough HOs to do a small respec then have to redo a respec again later to redo slots etc and the HO respec planning is a hell of a lot harder than i thought it would be lol, aint planned it yet, everytime i start i end up giving up doing atm cause not only have you kinda got to worry about what power to take at what lvl, you also got to worry about how many slots on that power, how many and what HOs on each power etc. lot lot harder to plan than a normal respec build lol
thanks for the info but a other question about few skills is a Midnight Grasp + Soul Tentacles with burn good for team play i think it will soften up mobs easyer to kill for the rest of the team, Soul will immobalize minions and Lt's while Midnight and soul double stack on a boss to immobalize it burn does dot last about 10 secs with fury, Soul Drain and Fiercy Embrace it will have a nice Dot will it be any good or just endless debt gain combo?
DD
My Fire dark brute has never failed LRSF as yet and has done it 5 times. One time I was the only brute on the team as well.
I'm one of the Fire Brutes that Trix mentioned. And I've done the LRSF several times with Trix. We were the only Brutes, and /Fire ones.
Fu Leng is Fire/Fire. What people dnt understand about fire brutes is that we are not tanks! Our job is to deal damage really fast. Thats why we have Fiery Embrace. Our resistances are good, and Healing Flames got even better.
In LRSF our Rise of the Phoenix works quite well as we'll always getting the aggro from the Heroes without waiting for a rez. 50% of the time, the rezzer is dead.
I dont have Tough, I took the Presence Pool for PvP. But I got Challenge, which is a mini Taunt and help me protecting the squishies.
Anyway, my vote goes for Fire/Fire because of FE, which boosts your damage for 10 secs, but you FIRE damage for 30 secs. +100% But please, take Hasten.
But I've heard good things about Dark/Fire, since you'll have 2 heals (but one of them requires a toHit roll). Besides, I've seen Grief Returned (Trix) in action, and he's pretty impressive.
DM for me is against the brute concept. My first brute was a dm/elec. DM I thought was cool cause it was new for I7 IIRC. DM is difficult to kill an AV on a small team (no hope solo). In PvP, fear is good but really u need a team to get any PvP points. The amount of times Ive spent 2 min wearing an opponent down with fear, end drain, and web envelope (if in RV) and then a corruptor or a stalker comes along and kill steals its not funny. Ive had at the peak about 325 pvp points on my ss/elec but even using the same tactics on my dm/elec Ive probably never broke 20pvp points at least solo.
DM doesnt do enough damage and for a secondary of fire (which is known for putting out more damage), just about any other primary would be better suited IMO. No offence to any DM/fire out there.
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FE, which boosts your damage for 10 secs, but you FIRE damage for 30 secs.
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erm fu corret me if i'm wrong but aint it 20 secs for fire melee from FE? :P
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DM I thought was cool cause it was new for I7 IIRC.
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only if you were a stalker was it new to issue 7....
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DM is difficult to kill an AV on a small team (no hope solo)
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not had this problem lol, just takes time to wear em down, and dont forget the thing you aint seeing is the -tohit from the attacks, in a sense boosts your defence
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In PvP, fear is good but really u need a team to get any PvP points.The amount of times Ive spent 2 min wearing an opponent down with fear, end drain, and web envelope (if in RV) and then a corruptor or a stalker comes along and kill steals its not funny
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yes and no, sometimes yes sometimes no, depends whos in a given pvp zone, and think everyone has has someone else at some stage come along and kill steal lol, happens
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Ive had at the peak about 325 pvp points on my ss/elec but even using the same tactics on my dm/elec Ive probably never broke 20pvp points at least solo.
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1 diff sets so diff playstyles, kinda like scrapper players just jumping on a stalker with same sets as their scrapper alt and expecting it to play the same lol = face plants :P
2 so team and dont solo then, if reps something you really really want lol
dm/fa is funny facing regens, i've had a fair few regens of late give up fighting me, "it's like fighting a damn regen" was funniest i've had todate :P
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DM doesnt do enough damage and for a secondary of fire (which is known for putting out more damage), just about any other primary would be better suited IMO. No offence to any DM/fire out there.
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no it doesn't have the "UBER" :/ burst damage output of other sets like EM or say SS what it does have is high survivability over a lot of the other set combos DM/FA comboed can leave you standing when others have dropped. know your subject from experiance, no offence to you.
and here's a linky for griefs current build, atm working on a HO respec build
http://uk.boards.cityofheroes.com/showfl...ge=0#Post755036
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2 so team and dont solo then, if reps something you really really want lol
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You are correct every time Im in a zone Im looking to make PvP points, and shoot me if Ive got the wrong idea.
The only time Ive found it useful is in RV when my brute without fear was getting taunted and feared so that he couldnt do anything. Then its great to have the same shields as my SS/elec and not need to even use them.
As for rep, I dont know if it amuses you to go to a PvP zone and get harrassed by a hero team without any chance of even threatening any of them 1 on 1 let alone in a team. Even with full fury a good damage brute doesnt have the damage to take out 1 tank especially if that tank debuffs you; so then you are left with trying to do what PvP zones are for i.e. kill the opponent with squishier targets.
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DM doesnt do enough damage and for a secondary of fire (which is known for putting out more damage), just about any other primary would be better suited IMO. No offence to any DM/fire out there.
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no it doesn't have the "UBER" :/ burst damage output of other sets like EM or say SS what it does have is high survivability
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DM has high utilitiy not high survivability but it still has the inate abillity of "fury", and to get the best out of fury u need to have at least 1 "extreme damage" attack.
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Pass...
As I started my post which u quoted, I have a lv 50 dm/elec brute; and I challenge you to make your first brute a DM/* brute and get to lvl 50 and then not feel that you have made a big mistake and immediately re-rell a toon for high damage.
I know a DM/fire brute, flame noir and guess what? After she got 50, I mostly teamed with her on her em/elec. Just saying if ur making your first brute don't get dm/*. Its too situational. DM/* does not add all that much survivability either, it has a to-hit roll single target heal of about 20% health, with high end cost. It does not have fast cycling AoE attacks to keep a mob surrounding you debuffed with -ToHit. Even with the debuff u really would benifit from defence so I would suggest /inv. dm/inv could be a nice combo (with an end drain in primary) but again lacks the damage that is the whole point of a brute.
Dont forget any brute can pick up the presence pool.
Was just thinking I probably agree with what u said but then looked at this:
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not had this problem lol, just takes time to wear em down, and dont forget the thing you aint seeing is the -tohit from the attacks, in a sense boosts your defence
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-ToHit doesnt even bother a Boss and as I said before u cant effectively area debuff all the minions. An AV will laugh at -ToHit attacks, I have stacked fear on Minx but that is only 1 situation where DM has been useful against an AV, ofcourse had a full team to do damage. Again fear is not only available to DM/* brutes.
If u can survive, and tank against an AV without a tier9 shield thats great, but I need a full set of inspirations and my tier9 shield to effectively tank and build fury, thats with either dm/elec or ss/elec - so where is the advantage of -ToHit when fighting an AV? Better to have high damage to try kill AV before you run out of inspirations, demonic aura and tier 9 shield I would say.
I didnt really want to have a disagreement with you but the more I look the more holes I see in your arguments.
I've been working on a DM/FA brute for a while now and she's just passed made level 29. In my experience the two sets complement each other pretty well. The only difficulty I had with AV/EBs early on was knockback but that's easily solved with acrobatics. Survivability isn't an issue as cycling Shadow Punch, Smite and Brawl quickly builds Fury into the region of 75-80 points and stacks up the -Acc effects nicely. Then it's just a matter of setting off Soul Drain and watching the fireworks as I tear my foe to pieces.
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If u can survive, and tank against an AV without a tier9 shield thats great, but I need a full set of inspirations and my tier9 shield to effectively tank and build fury, thats with either dm/elec or ss/elec - so where is the advantage of -ToHit when fighting an AV? Better to have high damage to try kill AV before you run out of inspirations, demonic aura and tier 9 shield I would say.
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was wondering what is beter for end game and SF mish Dark Melee / Fire Armor or Fiercy Melee / Fire Armor
Any Info is welcome
Thanks
Dizzy