Elec/Energy Vs Elec/Elec, Tip's, Powers & Why Plz?

Flush_Skinz · 01-09-2007 09:13 PM

Hiya Hero's , I have made an Eletric Blast, Energy Manipulation Blaster.

It tis my 1st Blaster i have tried out, i normally Play A healer & Ma/Regen Scrapper, so i dont really have much experience in Blasting.

I Love PVP, so I would like to know which Build is Best for PVPing plz.

Also-I normally try to solo quit a bit because i dont really have the patient's to wait ages LFT .

I am finding my Ele/Energy not bad,the end drain is not too bad But the Energy Dmg is pretty Low Atm (mainly beacuse i am a low lvl 11 i think & im slotting End reductions on my Elec Blasts so i can keep the attacks coming without worrying about my end to much).

I am posting this now while my Alt is low enough lvl to Delete if needed.

I like the sound of Elec/Elec, BUT! I know & have been told that the End that Elec attacks take are realy bad, is that true??

I might Delete & remake as An Elec/Elec, But i will wait for you advice & tip's, Build,s (from a low lvl).

Any thing that can help me out really & I will be so greatfull, I hope it's not to much to ask & i hope you can help me, TYVM

P.S> If You Have A Spare Elec/Elec Build at Hand Or Elec/Energy, Could you PM it to me that way i can save it for future use
TY!!!

Psydock · 01-09-2007 09:20 PM

go elec/energy its strong

Phil_ · 01-09-2007 09:46 PM

I have a lvl 50 Ele/Energy and a lvl 29 Ice/Elec.

If you take energy you get power boost which is an awesome PvP power - it boost end drain of your elec blast powers (particularly good when used with short circuit in both pve and pvp), hold durations, stun duration, the heal if you take aid self (which is really useful but blaster builds are tight so you may not have room), slows (if you want cold epic) and the tohit buffs from Aim and Build up (allowing you to hit things with very high defence such as mogging or eluding scrappers and people using PFF). Probably more using for an Elec but i cant think of any atm Also energy gets Total Focus which does more damage than the Elec Manipulation equivalent. Boost range is also great with the ranged Nuke and the Snipe

Elec Manipulation's saving grace is power sync allowing you to drain and recover full endurance every 30 seconds or so, meaning if you're careful so go with a staminaless build unfortunately its at 35. The melee moves also do a mixture of sleeps and stuns good for dropping acro and dispersion bubble in pvp If you want to pvp more in sirens Elec Manipulation is well worth considering as you get Thunder strike at 28.

For lvl 50 PvP Elec.Energy is much better in most situations but if you plan on Sirens Elec/Elec would probably be a better bet.

Below is my current PvP build more for duels and warburg then team pvp. I'm not saying this is the way to do it as there about a 100 different ways to build a blaster

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Exported from Ver: 1.7.6.0 of the CoH_CoV Character Builder - (http://sherksilver.coldfront.net/index.php)
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Name: Evo.
Level: 50
Archetype: Blaster
Primary: Electrical Blast
Secondary: Energy Manipulation
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01) --> Charged Bolts==> Acc(1) Acc(3) Dmg(3) Dmg(5) Dmg(5) Rechg(7)
01) --> Power Thrust==> Acc(1) Acc(7) Dmg(13) Dmg(15) Dmg(15) Rechg(17)
02) --> Lightning Bolt==> Acc(2) Acc(9) Dmg(9) Dmg(11) Dmg(11) Rechg(13)
04) --> Build Up==> Rechg(4) Rechg(17) Rechg(19)
06) --> Short Circuit==> Acc(6) Acc(19) EndMod(21) EndMod(21) EndMod(27) EndRdx(27)
08) --> Aim==> Rechg(8) Rechg(36) Rechg(36) TH_Buf(46) TH_Buf(48)
10) --> Bone Smasher==> Acc(10) Acc(37) Dmg(37) Dmg(37) Dmg(40) EndRdx(43)
12) --> Combat Jumping==> DefBuf(12)
14) --> Super Jump==> EndRdx(14) EndRdx(43)
16) --> Swift==> Run(16) Run(46)
18) --> Health==> Heal(18)
20) --> Acrobatics==> EndRdx(20) EndRdx(43)
22) --> Stamina==> EndMod(22) EndMod(23) EndMod(23)
24) --> Hasten==> Rechg(24) Rechg(25) Rechg(25)
26) --> Stimulant==> IntRdx(26)
28) --> Power Boost==> Rechg(28) Rechg(29) Rechg(29)
30) --> Aid Self==> Heal(30) Heal(31) Heal(31) IntRdx(31) IntRdx(34) Rechg(36)
32) --> Thunderous Blast==> Acc(32) Acc(33) Dmg(33) Dmg(33) Dmg(34) Rechg(34)
35) --> Super Speed==> EndRdx(35)
38) --> Total Focus==> Acc(38) Acc(39) Dmg(39) Dmg(39) Dmg(40) EndRdx(40)
41) --> Snow Storm==> EndRdx(41) EndRdx(42) EndRdx(42) Rechg(42)
44) --> Frozen Armor==> DefBuf(44) DefBuf(45) DefBuf(45) EndRdx(45) EndRdx(46)
47) --> Hibernate==> Rechg(47) Rechg(48) Rechg(48) Heal(50)
49) --> Conserve Power==> Rechg(49) Rechg(50) Rechg(50)
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For team PvP in the arena you will want to take the snipe and boost range as will as Force mastery instead of cold but its up to you.

Hope this helped

thePhilosopher Martial Arts/Regen/Fire Scrapper
theRegulator Empathy/Energy/Soul Defender
Total Inertia Ice Blast/Kinetics/Psy Corruptor
Total Inferno Ice Blast/Thermal/Leviathan Corruptor

Nefarious_EU · 01-09-2007 09:54 PM

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same goes for elec/elec.. both are some of the strongest builds in the game.. it basically depends on HOW you want to PvP.

I got an elec/elec I'm making for PvP, and you'll be mainly focussing on end drains + heavy (melee) damage with elec/elec. I found that the end drain on elec blasts aint too bad, but the melee moves can take up quite a chunk of blue, especially when you cant down enemies very fast yet and you have to keep cycling them. Till 20 it can be a pain before you get stamina, after 35 however once you get powersink, it's possible to spec out of stamina, but thats a matter of taste.

With both elec/nrg and elec/elec, be prepared to blap alot, as you can deal massive damage with those 2 secondary sets. Both sets got some great synergy really, and I think it boils down to a matter of taste. Energy for instance gets powerboost, which can be a godsend in PvP, then again a nice powersink + short circuit is enough to take down a good chunk of your opponent's end. Not to mention getting another hold in shocking grasp which you can use to stack holds to overcome mez protection.

Disadvantage with both builds though is that they are pretty tight and you will have to make some crucial decisions what powers to pick/drop. As you want quite a few powers from elec primary (lightning bolt, short circuit, aim, tesla cage as bare minimum imo) and almost all from your secondary. Add to that you prolly want SS for hasten, SJ for acro and maybe toss in aid self for pvp, you're looking at a very tight build.

So conclusively I'd say you're looking at 2 very strong builds and it kinda depends on your playstyle which one you'd like more. Personally I like elec/elec better over elec/nrg, but if you are comfortable with your elec/nrg right now, then by all means go for it.

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theGatling · 01-09-2007 10:43 PM

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For team PvP in the arena you will want to take the snipe and boost range as will as Force mastery instead of cold but its up to you.

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I disagree, you will not want to take the snipe against a good team and definitely not if you're not taking fly. Don't take this the wrong way, but I would consider that a bad dueling build.

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As you want quite a few powers from elec primary (lightning bolt, short circuit, aim, tesla cage as bare minimum imo)

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I disagree, lightning bolt and aim are essential, but in this very tight build I would never take short circuit or tesla cage on an Elec/Energy for PvP.

Imo, the only thing that Elec/Elec has going for it over Elec/Energy is Thunder Strike available at level 28 for Sirens Call and even then for PvP at level 30 it's a close call.

Speaking strictly from a PvP point of view, Elec/Energy is the one to go for imo. That said, both can be used very effectively.

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Nefarious_EU · 01-10-2007 12:38 AM

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As you want quite a few powers from elec primary (lightning bolt, short circuit, aim, tesla cage as bare minimum imo)

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I disagree, lightning bolt and aim are essential, but in this very tight build I would never take short circuit or tesla cage on an Elec/Energy for PvP.

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true, guess for /nrg SC/TC aint really necessary, was typin this with more elec/elec in my head and the end drain from SC and TC is just too good to ignore. However I think you should take into consideration a powerboosted shortcircuit can hurt your enemies end bar ALOT

"god, how many devs did hami have to sleep with to get ED?"

Total Cat @Stagefright

Phil_ · 01-10-2007 06:19 AM

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I disagree, you will not want to take the snipe against a good team and definitely not if you're not taking fly . . . I would never take short circuit or tesla cage on an Elec/Energy for PvP.

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I've always thought the 3 reason why Elec was a viable alternative to ice was the snipe, the nuke, and short circuit. I can see why you wouldnt have SC in a team pvp build but I've found it very useful, when combined with PB, especially in warburg the amount of regens and tanks I've had running into the safe zone screaming like little girls

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Don't take this the wrong way, but I would consider that a bad dueling build.

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I just posted it as an example but it has served me well I'd be interested to here what you think is wrong with it.

thePhilosopher Martial Arts/Regen/Fire Scrapper
theRegulator Empathy/Energy/Soul Defender
Total Inertia Ice Blast/Kinetics/Psy Corruptor
Total Inferno Ice Blast/Thermal/Leviathan Corruptor

Hammerfall · 01-10-2007 06:25 AM

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true, guess for /nrg SC/TC aint really necessary, was typin this with more elec/elec in my head and the end drain from SC and TC is just too good to ignore. However I think you should take into consideration a powerboosted shortcircuit can hurt your enemies end bar ALOT

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Yeah, as /nrg pvp blaster you should get power boost anyway, and if you get power boost there is no reason why not to get short circuit as well, as PB+short circuit is real juicy.

Also snipe is questionable in pvp. Can use it to snipe squishies in zones but in arena it is not very good.

Extremus · 01-10-2007 09:10 AM

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Also snipe is questionable in pvp. Can use it to snipe squishies in zones but in arena it is not very good.

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Snipe can be used really, really well for burst damage with a co-ordinated team. But Fly is really needed as it just gives you a huge advantage to Snipe with. Especially so on Elec/* Snipe+Nuke is a very dead squishy.

Duckdee · 01-10-2007 09:18 AM

Elec/Elec must be good if I can take out villains in any zone with my (seriously) gimped build. Or there are PvPers worse than me

theGatling · 01-10-2007 10:34 AM

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Snipe can be used really, really well for burst damage with a co-ordinated team. But Fly is really needed as it just gives you a huge advantage to Snipe with. Especially so on Elec/* Snipe+Nuke is a very dead squishy.

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The problem with this...

1) It requires an outdoor map, and if you don't get it you need another gameplan and you've wasted several power choices (Fly and Snipe)

2) Against any good team they will see you have fly and they will not allow you to play that game, and you will wish you had SJ and Ball Lightning instead.

3) Lightning Bolt + Nuke also = a very dead squishy (not a blaster) and requires no activation time which burns away your buffs and leaves you 5 seconds to activate the nuke after sniping from 200 yards away. It works, but it isn't particularly efficient.

I played that game for around 18 months and had great success with it. I don't anymore and that should tell you something

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theGatling · 01-10-2007 04:15 PM

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I just posted it as an example but it has served me well I'd be interested to here what you think is wrong with it.

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It's by no means an awful build and should function just fine, and I'm guessing it has for you, but a few things that stand out:

No Boost Range
Health instead of Hurdle
No ToHit buffs in Build Up
6 slotted Power Thrust

Some of the slot placements and uses are generally a little wacky too.

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Extremus · 01-10-2007 04:40 PM

It does work, but not against better players.

Still scares Xanthus though, he always goes "Oh [censored], Gatling's going to nuke me."

Imaginary_EU · 01-10-2007 06:30 PM

Listen to Valens, noone and I do mean noone has close to the same experience in PvP with that build.

50s
controllers: Ill rad , grav rad, fire kin, ice kin
blaster: ice em
scrapper: spines sr

Phil_ · 01-10-2007 08:07 PM

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Listen to Valens, noone and I do mean noone has close to the same experience in PvP with that build.

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QFT

thePhilosopher Martial Arts/Regen/Fire Scrapper
theRegulator Empathy/Energy/Soul Defender
Total Inertia Ice Blast/Kinetics/Psy Corruptor
Total Inferno Ice Blast/Thermal/Leviathan Corruptor

Flush_Skinz · 01-10-2007 08:35 PM

Thx for the Tip's every 1, like you all say it's a tight build & respecs are rare (exept my vet respecs i dont want to waste).
I probabbly wont be in Arana much (only to practice) i will be hitting pvp Zones i prefure the freedome and reading some comments im thinking, should i take Snipe because i Probabbly wont be picking Fly because it takes 4 slots 1 end 3 fly speed which i find a waste of slotting tbh.
Also am i right in thinking that i am better off slotting most Elec blasts with end reductions & aim because Elec does take up some end (especially before stamina)& slot the Secondary attacks with the Power that way it can balance out?
I have also been planning on maybee getting Leadership if i can fit it in the build(for the Tactics) or is it a waste?? And it says you can see stealthy foe's, if so how well can you see them?
Sorry for the 21 Questions but you guyz seem to know your stuff.
TY!

Psydock · 01-10-2007 08:53 PM

its a waste aid self will increase your survivability if you dont want to go to hospital all the time,

Hammerfall · 01-10-2007 11:33 PM

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Elec/Elec must be good if I can take out villains in any zone with my (seriously) gimped build. Or there are PvPers worse than me

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Both statements are propably correct

OVWyx_EU · 01-11-2007 04:57 AM

My Elec/Elec was a character I put a lot of time in to, it was definitely my favourite blaster for a long time. I made an Elec/Energy and an Ice/Energy to see how they both compared a while back.

The Elec/Energy I still have and I do like it. It's better in most respects than the Elec/Elec. Having stuns in attacks is more slot conserving than having to slot a seperate hold in my secondary, all the little extras in the Energy secondary are quite nifty although I have little use for boost range. I initally wanted to look at taking this one down the end drain route as well, but I didn't. End drain to me is not that awesome now on a blaster, my kinetic does it far better for a lot less effort. Given the choice of combining Power Build Up with Short Circuit or with Total Focus, I decided on Total Focus.

Overall, stronger than the Elec/Elec, certainly for PvP, although for soloing in PvE the Elec/Elec still has some advantages. Essentially just a reflection of the fact that Energy manipulation is far and away the best secondary. Either secondary works with Elec Blast though, and my Elec/Elec with a full PvE build currently is a very nice character to play. I have her built to drain, it works well for soloing combined with holds, I don't use it a lot when teaming. By the time I've drained them, they probably could have been dead.

The Ice/Energy I deleted when I got bored with it. It was kind of like a blaster with training wheels.

Flush_Skinz · 01-24-2007 02:34 AM

TY So much every 1, i am loving my Elec/Energy, i can even win quite easily in a duel in BB which was a suprise to me XD, PLZ keep the tip's coming, not only for me but any other Elec/Energy Blaster's out there, you guyz really know your stuff.

theGatling · 02-05-2007 12:17 PM

A few people have been asking me for a elec/em pvp build so here is one I just whipped up quickly. It's roughly the same as my current duelling build, but Ive left out the HOs and so had to slot slightly differently. Happy to answer any questions people may have, as Im sure some choices may need further explanation.

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Exported from Ver: 1.7.6.0 of the CoH_CoV Character Builder
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Name:
Level: 50
Archetype: Blaster
Primary: Electrical Blast
Secondary: Energy Manipulation
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01) --> Lightning Bolt==> Acc(1)Acc(3)Dmg(3)Dmg(5)Dmg(5)Rechg(7)
01) --> Power Thrust==> Acc(1)Acc(7)
02) --> Ball Lightning==> Acc(2)Dmg(9)Dmg(9)Dmg(11)EndRdx(11)EndRdx(13)
04) --> Build Up==> Rechg(4)Rechg(13)Rechg(15)TH_Buf(15)TH_Buf(17)TH_Buf(17)
06) --> Hasten==> Rechg(6)Rechg(19)Rechg(19)
08) --> Aim==> Rechg(8)Rechg(21)Rechg(21)TH_Buf(23)TH_Buf(23)TH_Buf(25)
10) --> Bone Smasher==> Acc(10)Acc(25)Dmg(27)Dmg(27)Dmg(29)Rechg(29)
12) --> Swift==> Run(12)Run(31)Run(31)
14) --> Super Speed==> Run(14)Run(31)
16) --> Hurdle==> Jump(16)Jump(33)Jump(33)
18) --> Combat Jumping==> Jump(18)Jump(33)
20) --> Stamina==> EndMod(20)EndMod(34)EndMod(34)
22) --> Super Jump==> Jump(22)Jump(36)
24) --> Acrobatics==> EndRdx(24)EndRdx(34)
26) --> Stimulant==> Rechg(26)
28) --> Power Boost==> Rechg(28)Rechg(36)Rechg(36)
30) --> Aid Self==> Heal(30)Heal(37)IntRdx(37)IntRdx(37)Rechg(39)Rechg(39)
32) --> Thunderous Blast==> Dmg(32)Dmg(39)Dmg(40)Rechg(40)Rechg(40)Rechg(42)
35) --> Conserve Power==> Rechg(35)Rechg(42)Rechg(42)
38) --> Total Focus==> Acc(38)Acc(43)Dmg(43)Dmg(43)Dmg(45)Rechg(50)
41) --> Snow Storm==> EndRdx(41)EndRdx(45)EndRdx(45)Slow(46)Slow(46)
44) --> Frozen Armor==> DefBuf(44)DefBuf(46)DefBuf(48)EndRdx(48)Rechg(50)
47) --> Hibernate==> Rechg(47)Rechg(48)Rechg(50)
49) --> Boost Range==> Rechg(49)
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01) --> Sprint==> Empty(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Empty(1)
01) --> Defiance==> Empty(1)
02) --> Rest==> Empty(2)
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This build is created for level 50 arena duels but will function well at Warburg level, and ok at Siren's too. It's also built around how I play these sets and Im sure most people will find it lacks ranged damage at all levels.

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Phil_ · 02-05-2007 11:05 PM

Just wondered why Ball Lightning? I know KS has it on his elec/elec is it the -rec chance? and is this noticable?

thePhilosopher Martial Arts/Regen/Fire Scrapper
theRegulator Empathy/Energy/Soul Defender
Total Inertia Ice Blast/Kinetics/Psy Corruptor
Total Inferno Ice Blast/Thermal/Leviathan Corruptor

Psydock · 02-06-2007 05:29 AM

it's more damage then the first power in the elec set and its faster animation i think

Sheep_EU · 02-06-2007 07:58 AM

Yo just wondering, got a question, OI, PLIGHT TRAWLER, OVER HERE...

PvE, would i drain more end with elect/elect or elect/energy (cos of PB)

Phil_ · 02-06-2007 10:20 AM

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Yo just wondering, got a question, OI, PLIGHT TRAWLER, OVER HERE...

PvE, would i drain more end with elect/elect or elect/energy (cos of PB)

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Elec/Energy drains all the end with PB + Short Circuit whereas Elec/Elec you need SC and Power sink which takes longer but you get full endursnce from it.

thePhilosopher Martial Arts/Regen/Fire Scrapper
theRegulator Empathy/Energy/Soul Defender
Total Inertia Ice Blast/Kinetics/Psy Corruptor
Total Inferno Ice Blast/Thermal/Leviathan Corruptor