Doms With Aid Self and Hasten
Is this for PvP or PvE?
It might help people if you post your current or planned build, so people can make suggestions from there. Also, as Idris asked, is this for PvP or PvE?
at work atm so i cant post my build *tries to look innocent as managers walk past* but it will be for PvP mostly but i do intend to do some PvE
I have Ice/Ice, but I don't engage in much PvP. I have Hasten but not Aid Self. Generally if you get agro you won't last long enough to use aid self, you are better trying to lock down the attacking foe. Maybe after you get your patron shield you might get a chance to use it.
You could probably live without Hasten too (at least until you get power sink patron power), since endurance is a real problem with Ice/Ice.
Power to avoid like the plague: the AOE sleep.
I really should do something about this signature.
Well, here's a ice/ice variation of a version of my PvP Fire/Ice build - it's mostly focused on the secondary and the differences between the primaries aren't that huge:
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Name: Omega Patient (a conversion)
Level: 50
Archetype: Dominator
Primary: Ice Control
Secondary: Icy Assault
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01) --> Block of Ice==> Acc(1) Acc(3) Hold(33) Hold(33) Rechg(33) Rechg(34)
01) --> Ice Bolt==> Acc(1) Acc(3) Dmg(27) Dmg(27) Dmg(36) EndRdx(37)
02) --> Chilblain==> Acc(2) Acc(34)
04) --> Ice Sword==> Acc(4) Acc(5) Dmg(5) Dmg(9) Dmg(9) EndRdx(25)
06) --> Hasten==> Rechg(6) Rechg(7) Rechg(7)
08) --> Combat Jumping==> EndRdx(8)
10) --> Ice Blast==> Acc(10) Acc(11) Dmg(11) Dmg(13) Dmg(15) EndRdx(23)
12) --> Swift==> Run(12) Run(13)
14) --> Super Speed==> EndRdx(14) Run(15)
16) --> Power Boost==> Rechg(16) Rechg(17) Rechg(17)
18) --> Hurdle==> Jump(18) Jump(19) Jump(19)
20) --> Stamina==> EndMod(20) EndMod(21) EndMod(21)
22) --> Super Jump==> EndRdx(22) Jump(23)
24) --> Acrobatics==> EndRdx(24) EndRdx(25)
26) --> Stimulant==> IntRdx(26)
28) --> Aid Self==> IntRdx(28) IntRdx(29) IntRdx(29) Rechg(31) Heal(31) Heal(34)
30) --> Chilling Embrace==> EndRdx(30) EndRdx(31)
32) --> Jack Frost==> Acc(32) Acc(36) Dmg(36) Dmg(37) Dmg(37) Rechg(40)
35) --> Arctic Air==> EndRdx(35) EndRdx(43) EndRdx(46)
38) --> Greater Ice Sword==> Acc(38) Acc(39) Dmg(39) Dmg(39) Dmg(40) EndRdx(40)
41) --> Bitter Ice Blast==> Acc(41) Acc(42) Dmg(42) Dmg(42) Dmg(43) EndRdx(43)
44) --> Power Sink==> EndMod(44) EndMod(45) EndMod(45) Rechg(45) Rechg(46) Rechg(46)
47) --> Charged Armor==> DmgRes(47) DmgRes(48) DmgRes(48) EndRdx(48)
49) --> Summon Guardian==> Heal(49) Heal(50) Heal(50) Rechg(50)
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01) --> Sprint==> Empty(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Empty(1)
02) --> Rest==> Empty(2)
01) --> Domination==> Empty(1)
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Oh, and ignore the levels of the slots.
Edit: fixed a faulty exported slot left empty
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I have Ice/Ice, but I don't engage in much PvP. I have Hasten but not Aid Self. Generally if you get agro you won't last long enough to use aid self, you are better trying to lock down the attacking foe. Maybe after you get your patron shield you might get a chance to use it.
You could probably live without Hasten too (at least until you get power sink patron power), since endurance is a real problem with Ice/Ice.
Power to avoid like the plague: the AOE sleep.
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Aid Self is pretty much required for a PvP Dom, it has saved me from many situations and it's useful for every PvP Dom out there. The ranged shots always hurt you, and you aren't a regen beast so that'll linger on you until you waste a Rest or use green insps which could've been replaced with something more useful, like Breakfrees.
Endurance usage gets ugly when you can use both Bitter Ice Blast and Greater Ice Sword, but Hasten is too good when stacking holds, trying to kill someone fast or getting Domination back faster. Usually I activate Hasten & Domination at the same time, so when Domination ends, the shiney button has almost recharged so I can launch it off again, and often this time finish the kill if the target was slippery or had used alot of tricks such as a godmode.
I seriously doubt that the OP was even considering Flash Freeze
Also, Jack Frost is a good pet, as long as you summon it ontop of a target on an Ice Slick so he favors melee rather than range, where he uses that ice bolt
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dont supose you could post your build here Zath? would help me greatly
I've PvP'd mostly on my Plant/Thorns, do you want me to post the Plant/Thorns build or post a proto Ice/Ice-build?
Alvan's is pared down for PvP - no AoE attacks, no Ice Slick and 2 movement powers, which makes it very efficient for attacking single players, like a blaster build...hmmm..even so, you can still get Aid Self in there by level 30 and still fit in at least Ice Slick plus shiver or an AoE along with everthing else - hasten, acrobatics, stamina and Aid Self; so, I don't think it's especially difficult to come up with something.
Ice Slick is pretty fast recharge and is your main PvE control, combine that with Shiver or CE and you have your AoE control powers for PvE done, stick in AA after level 30.
Alvan's is fairly similar to something I'd come up with, as a PvP build (though I've not bothered doing slots, since powers were the main question):
Archetype: Dominator
Primary: Ice Control
Secondary: Icy Assault
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01) --> Block of Ice==> Empty(1)
01) --> Ice Bolt==> Empty(1)
02) --> Ice Sword==> Empty(2)
04) --> Chilblain==> Empty(4)
06) --> Hurdle==> Empty(6)
08) --> Hasten==> Empty(8)
10) --> Ice Blast==> Empty(10)
12) --> Combat Jumping==> Empty(12)
14) --> Super Jump==> Empty(14)
16) --> Ice Slick==> Empty(16)
18) --> Swift==> Empty(18)
20) --> Stamina==> Empty(20)
22) --> Acrobatics==> Empty(22)
24) --> Arctic Air==> Empty(24)
26) --> Power Boost==> Empty(26)
28) --> Stimulant==> Empty(28)
30) --> Aid Self==> Empty(30)
32) --> Jack Frost==> Empty(32)
35) --> Greater Ice Sword==> Empty(35)
38) --> Bitter Ice Blast==> Empty(38)
41) --> Power Sink==> Empty(41)
44) --> Charged Armor==> Empty(44)
47) --> Chilling Embrace==> Empty(47)
49) --> Super Speed==> Empty(49)
Unlike Alvan's build, I have Bitter Ice Blast in there in time for Warburg, which really only matters if you actually go in there (or just want your blast sooner). It also fits in most of your pool powers by 30, perfect for Siren's, if you go in there.
I left Chilling Embrace until later - I've heard Ice/Ice can have some end trouble, and left it until after Power Sink, which also frees you up for other powers earlier.
From what I've seen, Ice Slick is sometimes useful in PvP (althought a lot of people will resist it), but is certainly nice in PvE, so it's there for both, since you said you'd be using this not just for PvP. The AoEs are out, though - if this is mainly for PvP, I think they're worth sacrificing to make space for other things.
If you want the AoEs for levelling with, but still want a solid PvP build, you could always consider levelling to 50 with a PvE build, and then respeccing.
That's pretty much how I'd build it too, perhaps substituting Shiver for Chilling Embrace. Putting Bitter Ice Blast off until level 41 really bothers me in Alvan's build, it rocks and I couldn't live without it for 3 extra levels.
Giving it more thought, I'd probably drop CE, take Arctic Air at 30 for Siren's, get both BIB and GIS before 40, move the APPs down a notch (to get 3xrecharge 3xheal for Guardian), and shiver at 49.
(In my own build it was a question of either-or with BIB and GIS for Warburg, as I also needed Hot Feet from Fire primary for Stalkers there, but really had no need for it before that. And GIS has a toggledrop chance + I'd be spending a lot of time in melee, so ended up choosing that. As Arctic Air and Chilling Embrace don't have same kind of synergy as Hot Feet has with CE, CE doesn't become that essential.)
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tnx for all your help guys. using hats youve said ive managed to come up with the following PvP build for my Dom. Comments much aprecated.
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Name: Koori
Level: 50
Archetype: Dominator
Primary: Ice Control
Secondary: Icy Assault
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01) --> Block of Ice==> Acc(1)Acc(3)Hold(3)Hold(5)Rechg(5)Rechg(7)
01) --> Ice Bolt==> Acc(1)Acc(7)Dmg(9)Dmg(9)Dmg(11)EndRdx(42)
02) --> Ice Sword==> Acc(2)Acc(11)Dmg(13)Dmg(13)Dmg(15)EndRdx(31)
04) --> Chilblain==> Acc(4)
06) --> Combat Jumping==> DefBuf(6)
08) --> Arctic Air==> EndRdx(8)EndRdx(15)EndRdx(17)ConfDur(17)ConfDur(19)
10) --> Swift==> Run(10)
12) --> Stimulant==> IntRdx(12)
14) --> Super Jump==> Jump(14)
16) --> Health==> Heal(16)
18) --> Ice Blast==> Acc(18)Acc(19)Dmg(23)Dmg(23)Dmg(25)EndRdx(25)
20) --> Stamina==> EndMod(20)EndMod(21)EndMod(21)
22) --> Power Boost==> Rechg(22)Rechg(27)Rechg(27)
24) --> Aid Self==> IntRdx(24)IntRdx(29)IntRdx(29)Heal(31)Heal(31)Heal(33)
26) --> Glacier==> Acc(26)Acc(34)Hold(36)Hold(36)Hold(42)Rechg(46)
28) --> Chilling Embrace==> EndRdx(28)Slow(33)Slow(33)Slow(34)
30) --> Acrobatics==> EndRdx(30)
32) --> Jack Frost==> Acc(32)Acc(34)Dmg(36)Dmg(37)Dmg(37)Hold(48)
35) --> Greater Ice Sword==> Acc(35)Acc(37)Dmg(39)Dmg(39)Dmg(39)EndRdx(40)
38) --> Bitter Ice Blast==> Acc(38)Acc(40)Dmg(40)Dmg(43)Dmg(43)EndRdx(43)
41) --> Water Spout==> Acc(41)Acc(42)Rechg(45)Rechg(45)
44) --> Shark Skin==> EndRdx(44)DmgRes(45)DmgRes(46)DmgRes(46)
47) --> Hasten==> Rechg(47)Rechg(48)Rechg(48)
49) --> Summon Coralax==> Acc(49)Acc(50)Dmg(50)Dmg(50)
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01) --> Power Slide==> Empty(1)
01) --> Sprint==> Empty(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Empty(1)
01) --> Domination==> Empty(1)
02) --> Rest==> Empty(2)
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I have been thinking about a PvP Ice/Ice dom for a while and your greatest weapon is slows and -rec which is great for PvP as its uresistable (cant BF out of slows and no slow surpression). If your opponent is slowed it makes sense to go with range so I would drop Greater Ice Sword and take shiver (-65% recharge for 18 seconds) which at leasts for which from a pvp point of view is the sets best power especially when combined with your other slows and PB. I've seen glaciar used very effectively in PvP especially with domination up but I also think ice slick is worth mentioning for two reasons: first is the -90% speed and second is that if you hold someone their knockback protection detoggles so they would get knockbacked even after using a bf or surpression kicks in.
This is the build I'm looking to use (this is a hyperthetical build rather than from experience and every time I look at it I switch the powers around for sirens ):
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Name: Ice/Ice
Level: 50
Archetype: Dominator
Primary: Ice Control
Secondary: Icy Assault
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01) --> Chilblain==> Acc(1) Acc(3) Rechg(3) EndRdx(9)
01) --> Ice Bolt==> Acc(1) Acc(19) Dmg(19) Dmg(23) Dmg(23) EndRdx(33)
02) --> Block of Ice==> Acc(2) Acc(5) Hold(5) Hold(7) Rechg(7) Rechg(9)
04) --> Ice Sword==> Acc(4) Acc(29) Dmg(31) Dmg(31) Dmg(31) EndRdx(33)
06) --> Combat Jumping==> Jump(6)
08) --> Swift==> Run(8) Run(36) Run(37)
10) --> Ice Blast==> Acc(10) Acc(11) Dmg(11) Dmg(15) Dmg(15) EndRdx(36)
12) --> Shiver==> Acc(12) Acc(13) Slow(13) Rechg(43)
14) --> Super Jump==> EndRdx(14) EndRdx(37)
16) --> Power Boost==> Rechg(16) Rechg(17) Rechg(17)
18) --> Hurdle==> Jump(18)
20) --> Stamina==> EndMod(20) EndMod(21) EndMod(21)
22) --> Acrobatics==> EndRdx(22) EndRdx(29) EndRdx(42)
24) --> Arctic Air==> EndRdx(24) EndRdx(25) EndRdx(25) Slow(42)
26) --> Hasten==> Rechg(26) Rechg(27) Rechg(27)
28) --> Aid Other==> Heal(28)
30) --> Aid Self==> Heal(30) Heal(33) Heal(34) IntRdx(34) IntRdx(34) EndRdx(37)
32) --> Jack Frost==> Acc(32) Acc(40) Dmg(40) Dmg(42) Hold(43) Hold(43)
35) --> Super Speed==> EndRdx(35) EndRdx(36)
38) --> Bitter Ice Blast==> Acc(38) Acc(39) Dmg(39) Dmg(39) Dmg(40) EndRdx(48)
41) --> Ice Slick==> Rechg(41) Rechg(45) Rechg(45)
44) --> Power Sink==> EndMod(44) EndMod(45) EndMod(46) Rechg(46) Rechg(46)
47) --> Charged Armor==> DmgRes(47) DmgRes(48) EndRdx(48) EndRdx(50)
49) --> Chilling Embrace==> EndRdx(49) EndRdx(50) Slow(50)
After typing all this I found out the Greater Ice Sword has a 65% chance to toggle drop . . . so I need to rethink >.<
Edit: I'll probably drop CE and take GIS and move some slots around.
thePhilosopher Martial Arts/Regen/Fire Scrapper
theRegulator Empathy/Energy/Soul Defender
Total Inertia Ice Blast/Kinetics/Psy Corruptor
Total Inferno Ice Blast/Thermal/Leviathan Corruptor
I really want my Ice/Ice Dom to have these but looking at m build in strugling to find room for them, even later at 40+.
Just wondering if anyone had an Ice/Ice with these and if they could post their powers here. Thnx guys (and gals)