First character, need help with Claws/Regen


FireKitty

 

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This character, a level 31 Claws/Regen Scrapper is my first in the CoX system, so I've decided to use the free respec we got to try to right some of the errors I'm bound to have done through these levels.

I usually team, and when I do, I heavily pull aggro for some reason. Probably a very high damage output and a bouncy movement style.

1. How useful are really the Regen powers? I've only taken the two +regen and +recovery ones, Instant healing, and the trigger with +regen and some defense. Though I've seen some /Regens who seem to have all the powers. Are they really that good?
2. How many attacks should I have? I've got all of them now, except Confront. Though it seems to me Eviscerate is rather useless for its End cost, as I rarely hit more than 2 enemies with it.
3. Travel power. What are the pros/cons of them? I took Fly the first time around, as I love the mobility it gives me, though it seems horribly slow compared to others.
4. Other Pool Powers. Are there any worth taking? I've got Swift and Health at the moment.
5. How should I place the enhancement slots? So far, I've put it all in attacks, just using the standard slot to boost the other powers.
6. Any other tips you might have are more than welcome.

If anybody has a build that goes to level 40 or something, that'd be great, as I don't expect to hit 50 any time soon

Thanks for any help,
- Nakai


 

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Take a look at the guide in my sig


 

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How many attacks should I have?


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How long is a piece of string? If you've got a good solid attack chain then that's plenty IMO.

Also of note, Eviscerate is a real useful attack, and really comes into it's own on larger teams. The attacks cone of effect can (and will) flood your screen with those delightful orange numbers when you pick a target with a few other possible victims between them and you, making it very easy to catch severel mobs.

Like I said, this is easier to do on larger teams with a tank herding large groups of mobs together in small spaces, but that doesn't mean that it's of no use solo or in small teams. Just get used to dragging groups round corners to bunch them up ready to get their [censored] handed to them


 

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My main problem with Eviscerate is the length of the animation, you could fire off two other attacks in the same period of time (say for example Focus and Slash) and do more damage, and the cone is pretty narrow so it's not really a 'guaranteed' multiple-foe hit.


 

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My main problem with Eviscerate is the length of the animation, you could fire off two other attacks in the same period of time (say for example Focus and Slash) and do more damage, and the cone is pretty narrow so it's not really a 'guaranteed' multiple-foe hit.

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It is still worth it because of its pure damage and extra chance to crit. Eviscerate is an important power on my claws/ninjitsu stalker. Besides I love its animation so much I dont care if it takes so long (you dont hear me say this on many powers)


 

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2. How many attacks should I have? I've got all of them now, except Confront. Though it seems to me Eviscerate is rather useless for its End cost, as I rarely hit more than 2 enemies with it.

[/ QUOTE ] Not using it correctly obviously...I have found it as a neccesity when soloing larger mobs, just like Spin.

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4. Other Pool Powers. Are there any worth taking? I've got Swift and Health at the moment.

[/ QUOTE ] My Scrapper is lvl 50 and recent patches have nerfed endurance, so will have to respec Fitness Pool in now...also spending more time in PvP area, so have gone for stealth aswell....may even respec flight for leaping too...

In Firekitty's guide they have MoG....This may work well with some ppl but IMO it sucks big time!!! Leave it out i say.

Also noticed that the build only has 1 ancillary power Focused Accuracy from Body Mastery...I would disagree with the build on this basis. I have 3 BM powers including Conserve Power (very useful when fighting carnies and malta, especially EB's and Av's), I also have Energy Torrent (great cone dmg and kb, good for putting bosses down) and also taken Laser Beam Eyes for lowering Damage taken from foes too.

Conclusion = Fire Kitty's build is ok IMO...but could be much better...and mine (far from perfect) also has it's flaws....but ultimately it depends on your own playing style, more than anything else.


Main 50 & Badger Nine Claws Claws/Regen/Body

Other 50's Ph10x Brute Unjust Law Tanker Samantha Urai Scrapper Codename 1250 Scrapper
Cepheus
Defender Nilus Scrapper
Electro Field Blaster S.PONGE Tanker

 

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In Firekitty's guide they have MoG....This may work well with some ppl but IMO it sucks big time!!! Leave it out i say.

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It doesn't suck if you learn when is best to use it

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Also noticed that the build only has 1 ancillary power Focused Accuracy from Body Mastery...I would disagree with the build on this basis. I have 3 BM powers including Conserve Power (very useful when fighting carnies and malta, especially EB's and Av's), I also have Energy Torrent (great cone dmg and kb, good for putting bosses down) and also taken Laser Beam Eyes for lowering Damage taken from foes too.

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In my opinion most of the epic powers are made redundant by the powers in Claws. The set has an end bonus so uses less than other Scrapper sets and when combined with Stamina and Quick Recovery I rarely run out of end, especially without Tough running. Sappers are easy to deal with due to the various knockdown tools you have available and Carnies require just a little extra downtime. I never saw the point in taking Laser Beam Eyes as Focus does much higher damage, has a better secondary effect and although it isn't as far ranged it's plenty for situations where mobs may just be out of reach. Plus if I remember correctly LBE requires you to put your claws away. The same goes for Energy Torrent - you have Shockwave which does higher damage, takes half the time to recharge and uses less end as well.


 

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My main problem with Eviscerate is the length of the animation, you could fire off two other attacks in the same period of time (say for example Focus and Slash) and do more damage, and the cone is pretty narrow so it's not really a 'guaranteed' multiple-foe hit.

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It is still worth it because of its pure damage and extra chance to crit. Eviscerate is an important power on my claws/ninjitsu stalker. Besides I love its animation so much I dont care if it takes so long (you dont hear me say this on many powers)

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You're right - the animation is pretty neat...I've still got it (although Focus only does slightly less damage) as it can be useful if you have a gap in your attack chain or are slowed.


 

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Well, I can't say I haven't learned a thing or two by reading your discussion I've gone with FireKitty's build for now, then I'll see what happens once I find out what those epic power pools are like.

Cheers, and thanks to all!


 

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Plus if I remember correctly LBE requires you to put your claws away.

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You obviously have a certain attack chain that you cycle. I love scrapping...but rather than just hitting anything that moves, I like to try and reduce defence. I like to mix melee with ranged attacks also. I have certain attack patterns for certain foes, no doubt you have too....comes down to playing style again....I can tank when needed also.

Seems like your scrapper is one dimensional...might as well just turn foes into punch bags.....I also bet that you have a empath def as an alt, that spams heals too.


Main 50 & Badger Nine Claws Claws/Regen/Body

Other 50's Ph10x Brute Unjust Law Tanker Samantha Urai Scrapper Codename 1250 Scrapper
Cepheus
Defender Nilus Scrapper
Electro Field Blaster S.PONGE Tanker

 

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Concerning the Epics: You will have a better tohit chance from taking and slotting Focussed Accuracy than you'd get from slotting all your attacks for -defense and spamming them constantly. LBE needs a weapon redraw and so does Energy Torrent, although I still love them on my Kat/Regen for the energy-typed damage.

Scrappers are meant to be fairly one dimensional. They are (mainly melee) damage dealers with decent damage mitigation. Providing you know your mitigation limits, you really can't go wrong when you leap in and thump stuff... particularly with a /regen. I can see some specialist /DA builds requiring more finesse, but /regen is one of the simplest sets out there.

The only scrapper primary that does better from playing as a "scraptroller" is Dark Melee, and even then it's mostly just a matter of lining cone attacks up. For the rest, it's mainly just down to your Damage Output.

Comparing a scrapper to an Empathy Defender isn't really viable: Empaths can Buff, Spam Heals and then blast/hold/disorient/drain depending on their secondary. Scrappers just hit stuff. If you're lucky, Scrappers might hit foes that are going after squishies... but that's about as controllerish as they get.


 

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With all due respect, Scrappers are the most one-dimensional archtype in the game (as Maelwys said above). They have one role: to do damage. Any debuffs you have are weak and are only really noticable when combined with other players.

A Scrapper can't really 'tank' as they have no real way to hold aggro, but my Claws/Regen can probably take more damage than yours as it can kill faster thereby reducing incoming damage.

You're right, I do have an Empathy defender. It was my first 50, and I hated it - but I never 'spammed' heals. It was in the days pre-ED when an offensive empath was feasible. It was still pretty [censored] though. I haven't played that hero for over a year.


 

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A Scrapper can't really 'tank' as they have no real way to hold aggro

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Well, I'd not quite go that far... I've met Spines/DAs that can hold aggro quite comfortably and can tank better than some Fire Tankers I've seen, but they're the exception to the rule!

The one-dimensional thing applies completely for most /regen scrappers though. A Claws/Regen is essentially a whirling dervish of damage, as seen from a certain "X-man"...

My Scrapper can latch onto bosses like a Katana-wielding Limpet and scrank mobs a bit with Knockdowns, but assuming there's a tank on the team already there's no point in anything other than maximum damage output.


 

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I will reliterate my original point. It depends on your playing style.

Yes, I'm fully aware that a scrapper is a damage dealer, primarily. However, I was trying to put my point across that I like to break up my attack chain (especially when teaming) so that it isn't just lethal damage that I am inflicting....I want to kock them back and reduce their dmg too. I know that LBE will not be an effective power for large -def, like trollers and def's debuff powers.

I just like to mix it up....and if needs be could respec my build for maximum dmg.

The point regarding MoG is valid....I know when to use and when not too...I just don't like it, where as other ppl love it. (definately a marmite power)

The blog about def's, ignore that....I'm sure you don't spam heal, but plenty of other empaths do.......
I have an empath and never heal ppl that don't need healing.


Main 50 & Badger Nine Claws Claws/Regen/Body

Other 50's Ph10x Brute Unjust Law Tanker Samantha Urai Scrapper Codename 1250 Scrapper
Cepheus
Defender Nilus Scrapper
Electro Field Blaster S.PONGE Tanker

 

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The only power id consider not worth taking is swipe and even then thats great at the lower levels.

Fire Kittys guide is good.

I am pretty certain iirc it was Fire Kittys very own MA scrapper who had been a better point for my trick archer than some tanks have, but even so thats cos of the actual players of the tanks, and maybe in the case of firetanks the type of enemy but highly doubtable due to my -def debuff from acid arrow. Scrappers would have to rely on accuracy, hate and/or secondary effects to control aggro such as opening up with dragons tail which still isnt as promising as having a decent tank on a good team.


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