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but two dominators using domination can demonstrate that the dreaded purple triangles of doom grant no perfect mez protection.
... and I guesss without domination it woul take ages to solo EBs. 
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EBs have a mez resistance of Mag 7 when purple triangles are up and only 5 when they're down, so yes, they're quite easy to hold with 2 doms (or even solo). Now AVs, that's a whole different story (Mag 51 when the PToD are up 
Mag 7 otherwise).
CoX 50s: <ill/rad> <ice/ice> <fire/kin> <grav/sonic> <ice/storm> <earth/kin> <kin/elec> <cold/psy> <thugs/dark> <fire/dark> <dark/elec> <night widow> <EM/ninj> <mind/icy>
I was talking about the AVs triangles, of course. EBs are trivial even for one dominator.
It´s easiest with two mind/ doms using confuse. That one stacks nicely before anyone has aggro. 
But it can be done with telekinesis and dominate, too, although at a greater risk of retaliation.
If there is only one AV/Hero present I would recommend using both on one target in case of dropping MAG because of several missed mezzes.
If it has eyes, you can blind it, if it has blood, you can make it bleed, if it has a mouth, you can make it scream.
Do the triangles stop confuse and sleep?
Might explain why we had so little trouble the other day, 4 instances of sleep and confuse, and then topping it up every few seconds.
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Well I must be a real bad player, every single EB after I hit 30 was impossible to solo. Using over 8 blues to keep going and still failing really depressed me, hence soloing warburg missions to lvl.
To illustrate the difference: my em/elec brute does a SC mission in 6 minutes, my dom at that lvl did it in 14.
My Brute goes from 29-30 in 2 hours in SC, my dom did the same in 5.
Killing speed is definately the issue.
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Do the triangles stop confuse and sleep?
Might explain why we had so little trouble the other day, 4 instances of sleep and confuse, and then topping it up every few seconds.
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Resistance to sleep is much lower (even with PToDs up). See table here. Confuse should be the same as hold/stun (except it doesn't aggro). If 2 Mind doms can easily break through an AV's (Mag 51) hold protection when PToDs are up, some people might be a bit upset...
CoX 50s: <ill/rad> <ice/ice> <fire/kin> <grav/sonic> <ice/storm> <earth/kin> <kin/elec> <cold/psy> <thugs/dark> <fire/dark> <dark/elec> <night widow> <EM/ninj> <mind/icy>
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Do the triangles stop confuse and sleep?
Might explain why we had so little trouble the other day, 4 instances of sleep and confuse, and then topping it up every few seconds.
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Resistance to sleep is much lower (even with PToDs up). See table here. Confuse should be the same as hold/stun (except it doesn't aggro). If 2 Mind doms can easily break through an AV's (Mag 51) hold protection when PToDs are up, some people might be a bit upset...
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The mob in question was listed as a "hero". Not sure but I was under the impression this was the same as an AV. I dont know if downgraded heroes are listed as elite bosses or whatever. Actually, my memory isnt clear enough to say if this was listed as a "hero" only that it was meant to be, it was one with mind and psi attacks. I cant say the hero was held all the time, they were held at least some of the time though and we didnt seem to take much damage. Its also worth pointing out that there were other people on the team doing damage.
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As you can see from the table, it's quite easy to hold an AV/Hero when the triangles are pointing down. My point was that when they're up, they still offer a pretty hefty protection. Not that I fully agree with this system anyway...
CoX 50s: <ill/rad> <ice/ice> <fire/kin> <grav/sonic> <ice/storm> <earth/kin> <kin/elec> <cold/psy> <thugs/dark> <fire/dark> <dark/elec> <night widow> <EM/ninj> <mind/icy>
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Killing speed is definately the issue.
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Of course I agree completely. My duo partner and I have played several duos: Bot/Dark MM + EM/Dark Brute, his Sonic/Kin Corruptor with (at different levels) my Ice/Dark Corruptor \ Fire/Rad Corruptor \ SS/Dark Brute \ EM/Elec Brute \ Fire/Fire Brute, and lately Mind/Psi Dom + Plant/Thorns Dom.
Now maybe we're tainted by the fact our previous pairings were made powerful by the presence of FotM combos or kinetic buffs, but dominators barely feel part of the same game in terms of killing speed. Some native EBs at low levels have felt much easier with the dominators (if slower) because we could perma-hold them (e.g. Ace McKnight, Sea Witch, Ballista-1), but almost everything else has felt either very slow or very difficult (hence why we're still on Villainous instead of the upper difficulty levels as per usual).
My 3 brutes, my MM and pre-I7 my Fire/Rad corruptor were all very well balanced with each other for soloing speed and all felt equally powerful (well, ok, my MM felt slightly more powerful than the others - and my Fire/Rad isn't quite so fast at soloing now post-I7, but he's still pretty good, and great in duos/teams). By comparison my Mind/Psi dom feels really gimped, like my Stalker did early on (but at least he felt more powerful as each level went by).
So I can quite believe your figures, Die_Klip - my dom also seems to clear a spawn at least half as slowly as all my other characters - and in my regular duo that's compounded because we're both doms. I can believe we've been gimped on damage because our control methods are seen as being "too safe", but my MM could lock down a whole spawn just as easily as my dom can - the difference being my MM could kill that same spawn long before his fear wore off!
I've got Subdue now - my dom feels a little more powerful damage-wise, even though I don't have it slotted yet, but that's my last attack now until Psychic Shockwave. Honestly I don't see it getting much better now - a few more slots here and there, Mass Confuse (which won't get much use as my partner has Seeds of Confusion), TK and Hasten, then the uninspiring PPPs (Black Scorpion probably). I'm not as excited to level it up as I should be. My duo partner won't be online after this weekend until probably after I8 is with us, so I think our doms are about to get dropped for a while, and we may not pick them up again.
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two dominators using domination can demonstrate that the dreaded purple triangles of doom grant no perfect mez protection.
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Seen this demonstrated a few days back when another mind dom invited me to mission with a hero at the end. Was quite surprised how effective we were.
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