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Would this be a viable Stone/SS build?

Cognito

By Cognito,
Posted on: 2006-11-07 15:39 in Tankers

 

Posted

This is my first go at playing a tank, so I would like to hear seasoned tankers ideas and meanings on this build.

At the moment Terraforma is only lvl 9 but hopefully that will soon change. Furthermore I have made this build thinking that I should be able to lvl him up like this without any respecs. Is that possible?

Here is the build:

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Exported from Ver: 1.7.6.0 of the CoH_CoV Character Builder
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Name: TerraForma
Level: 50
Archetype: Tanker
Primary: Stone Armor
Secondary: Super Strength
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01) --> Rock Armor==> DefBuf(1)DefBuf(7)DefBuf(13)
01) --> Jab==> Acc(1)Dmg(3)Dmg(3)DisDur(17)Taunt(45)EndRdx(50)
02) --> Stone Skin==> DmgRes(2)
04) --> Haymaker==> Acc(4)Dmg(5)Dmg(5)EndRdx(13)Rechg(17)Taunt(46)
06) --> Mud Pots==> Dmg(6)EndRdx(7)Dmg(11)EndRdx(11)Dmg(15)EndRdx(15)
08) --> Rooted==> Heal(8)Heal(9)Heal(9)
10) --> Taunt==> Rechg(10)Rechg(36)Rechg(36)Taunt(37)Taunt(40)Taunt(42)
12) --> Recall Friend==> IntRdx(12)
14) --> Teleport==> EndRdx(14)EndRdx(43)
16) --> Earth's Embrace==> Rechg(16)Rechg(19)Rechg(19)Heal(39)Heal(40)Heal(42)
18) --> Swift==> Run(18)Run(37)Run(37)
20) --> Health==> Heal(20)Heal(21)Heal(21)
22) --> Stamina==> EndMod(22)EndMod(23)EndMod(23)
24) --> Knockout Blow==> Acc(24)Dmg(25)Dmg(25)Rechg(31)EndRdx(31)Hold(36)
26) --> Hasten==> Rechg(26)Rechg(27)Rechg(27)
28) --> Rage==> Rechg(28)Rechg(29)Rechg(29)TH_Buf(31)TH_Buf(34)TH_Buf(50)
30) --> Super Speed==> Run(30)
32) --> Granite Armor==> DefBuf(32)Dmg(33)DefBuf(33)DmgRes(33)DmgRes(34)DmgRes(34)
35) --> Teleport Foe==> Acc(35)Acc(43)
38) --> Foot Stomp==> Acc(38)Dmg(39)Dmg(39)EndRdx(40)Rechg(42)Taunt(43)
41) --> Salt Crystals==> Acc(41)Acc(50)
44) --> Fossilize==> Acc(44)Acc(45)Hold(45)Hold(46)Hold(46)Rechg(48)
47) --> Mineral Armor==> DefBuf(47)DefBuf(48)DefBuf(48)
49) --> Grant Invisibility==> DefBuf(49)
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01) --> Sprint==> EndRdx(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Acc(1)
01) --> Gauntlet==> Empty(1)
02) --> Rest==> Rechg(2)
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Pls feel free to critizise as long as it is constructive

 

Posted

Your aura can effect 10 with taunt and taunt can effect 5, i'd 2 rechg your attacks before secondary effects like disdur and taunt because your gauntlet may effect what your aura and taunt are effecting adequately enough anyway. If in granite your waiting on attacks then your slotting for gauntlet from them is canceled out and you have less chance to use the secondary effect also.

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02) --> Stone Skin==> DmgRes(2)

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i'd 3 slot it anyway, there is smash, lethal and heavy psi mobs so with minerals on id want good def and res.

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06) --> Mud Pots==> Dmg(6) EndRdx(7) Dmg(11) EndRdx(11) Dmg(15) EndRdx(15)

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the damage component can miss so acc it, damage stacks with taunt so 3 damage slots is good a yaunt slot in addition will also be good.

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10) --> Taunt==> Rechg(10) Rechg(36) Rechg(36) Taunt(37) Taunt(40) Taunt(42)

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6 slot this asap at the levels you are most likely in granite to tank effectively especially whilst your not mr speedy

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16) --> Earth's Embrace==> Rechg(16) Rechg(19) Rechg(19) Heal(39) Heal(40) Heal(42)

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very late, in all ways, jab wouldnt of been looked at for slots due to this if it was me.

Your slotting choices is though your more towards damage dealing than being survivable.

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38) --> Foot Stomp==> Acc(38) Dmg(39) Dmg(39) EndRdx(40) Rechg(42) Taunt(43)

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dmg and taunt stack so ya may aswell minus fight duration with a rechg instead of taunt, that way you gauntlet more often and give as good dps as you can reasonably offer.

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47) --> Mineral Armor==> DefBuf(47) DefBuf(48) DefBuf(48)

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late imo id of got it between 30-35 and i would say it would most certainly be nice to have by 40.

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49) -->Grant Invisibility==> DefBuf(49)

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anything you can tank with is better than this power.

He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.

 

Posted

Thanks for the rundown of powers and slot ideas Shannon.

I've tried to make some alterations to the build in order to implement some of your suggestions. I've also added combat jumping at lvl 49 instead of grant invisibility, since it provides me with more defense. And defense is good.

So here is my new build, implementing some of your ideas and some of my own. Once again thanks for the help.

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Exported from Ver: 1.7.6.0 of the CoH_CoV Character Builder
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Name:
Level: 50
Archetype: Tanker
Primary: Stone Armor
Secondary: Super Strength
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01) --> Rock Armor==> DefBuf(1)DefBuf(3)DefBuf(5)
01) --> Jab==> Acc(1)Dmg(3)Dmg(48)
02) --> Stone Skin==> DmgRes(2)DmgRes(13)DmgRes(13)
04) --> Haymaker==> Acc(4)Dmg(5)Dmg(19)EndRdx(43)Rechg(43)Rechg(46)
06) --> Mud Pots==> EndRdx(6)Empty(7)Dmg(7)Dmg(9)Taunt(11)Dmg(15)
08) --> Earth's Embrace==> Rechg(8)Rechg(9)Rechg(11)Heal(19)Heal(21)Heal(31)
10) --> Taunt==> Rechg(10)Rechg(15)Rechg(27)Taunt(36)Taunt(36)Taunt(37)
12) --> Recall Friend==> IntRdx(12)
14) --> Teleport==> EndRdx(14)EndRdx(48)
16) --> Rooted==> Heal(16)Heal(17)Heal(17)
18) --> Swift==> Run(18)Run(36)Run(37)
20) --> Health==> Heal(20)Heal(21)Heal(27)
22) --> Stamina==> EndMod(22)EndMod(23)EndMod(23)
24) --> Hasten==> Rechg(24)Rechg(25)Rechg(25)
26) --> Knockout Blow==> Acc(26)Dmg(31)Dmg(39)EndRdx(39)Rechg(40)Rechg(40)
28) --> Rage==> Rechg(28)Rechg(29)Rechg(29)TH_Buf(31)TH_Buf(34)TH_Buf(50)
30) --> Super Speed==> Run(30)
32) --> Granite Armor==> DefBuf(32)DefBuf(33)DefBuf(33)DmgRes(33)DmgRes(34)DmgRes(34)
35) --> Mineral Armor==> DefBuf(35)DefBuf(37)DefBuf(39)
38) --> Foot Stomp==> Acc(38)Dmg(40)Dmg(42)EndRdx(42)Rechg(42)Rechg(43)
41) --> Salt Crystals==> Acc(41)Acc(48)
44) --> Fossilize==> Acc(44)Acc(45)Hold(45)Hold(45)Hold(46)Rechg(46)
47) --> Teleport Foe==> Acc(47)Acc(50)
49) --> Combat Jumping==> DefBuf(49)
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01) --> Sprint==> Empty(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Empty(1)
01) --> Gauntlet==> Empty(1)
02) --> Rest==> Empty(2)
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In mudpots there is a vacant slot, which is reserved for an acc enhancement, but since my hero planner cannot slot acc in mudpots I just left it empty.

Finally I would like to hear if you think this build is playable from lvl 1 through 50, or is it more a respec kind of build?

 

Posted

I would possibly switch rooted and taunt. Rooted will improve your survivability by a fair bit and mud pots will do a fair job of getting you aggro. Taunt is always nice to have but not much use if you can't survive the aggro. Personal choice really tho.

I 'think' combat jumping will turn off rooted if you use it? I'd rather have Rooted than the little bit of defence CJ provides.

 

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Why going Superspeed?

Personally Id swith Superspeed and Combat Jump for Boxing and Tough. An extra quick recharge attack will always be handy for a Granite tank, and Tough for... well... being tough (er)...

I know some Granite tanks who have slotted Brawl with an accuracy and recharge to maximise on gauntlet but only if you can spare a slot or two.

You may wish to consider Teleport with two end reducers as you may well being using it a lot in combat.

The challenge for Granite tanks is not so much staying alive, but for being worthwhile tanks (i.e. maintaining aggro) with their mobility and recharge problems. In my experience they do very well when things run smoothly, but when things go badly (knockbacks, second spawns, fllying/teleporting enemies) they struggle.

 

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Hi Faultline.
Changing the order of rooted and taunt is something I've been thinking of myself, so I might just do that.

The thing about combat jumping shutting rooted off I didn't know. If that is the case I will certainly NOT take combat jumping at lvl 49. Any suggestions on what to take instead?

To answer you Cognito, the reason I want to take Superspeed is to spice up my travelpowers, so I don't have to rely on Teleport all the time (pretty endurance heavy). And I already have slotted Teleport with 2 end enhancement if you look closer at the build.

Taking Boxing and Tough I don't find nescessary, since my resists to lethal/smashing in Granite will already be around 98% with Stoneskin 3 slotted. So Tough would only help me if I wanted to play a lot of the time with only Rock Armor and Mineral Armor on, which is not the case. But thanks for the input though.

 

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Fairy Nuff!

I still think combat jumping isn't a worthwhile choice myself.

Whereas provoke (from presence pool) for a perma granite may well be?

 

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I have chosen Maneuvers as my lvl 49 power since it also provides defense and I don't have to worry about rooted dropping. I have also switched rooted and taunt so my new build looks a bit like this:

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Exported from Ver: 1.7.6.0 of the CoH_CoV Character Builder
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Name: TerraForma 3
Level: 50
Archetype: Tanker
Primary: Stone Armor
Secondary: Super Strength
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01) --> Rock Armor==> DefBuf(1)DefBuf(3)DefBuf(5)
01) --> Jab==> Acc(1)Dmg(3)Dmg(48)
02) --> Stone Skin==> DmgRes(2)DmgRes(13)DmgRes(13)
04) --> Haymaker==> Acc(4)Dmg(5)Dmg(19)EndRdx(43)Rechg(43)Rechg(46)
06) --> Mud Pots==> EndRdx(6)Empty(7)Dmg(7)Dmg(9)Taunt(11)Dmg(15)
08) --> Earth's Embrace==> Rechg(8)Rechg(9)Rechg(11)Heal(19)Heal(21)Heal(31)
10) --> Rooted==> Heal(10)Heal(15)Heal(17)
12) --> Recall Friend==> IntRdx(12)
14) --> Teleport==> EndRdx(14)EndRdx(48)
16) --> Taunt==> Rechg(16)Rechg(17)Rechg(27)Taunt(36)Taunt(36)Taunt(37)
18) --> Swift==> Run(18)Run(36)Run(37)
20) --> Health==> Heal(20)Heal(21)Heal(27)
22) --> Stamina==> EndMod(22)EndMod(23)EndMod(23)
24) --> Hasten==> Rechg(24)Rechg(25)Rechg(25)
26) --> Knockout Blow==> Acc(26)Dmg(31)Dmg(39)EndRdx(39)Rechg(40)Rechg(40)
28) --> Rage==> Rechg(28)Rechg(29)Rechg(29)TH_Buf(31)TH_Buf(34)TH_Buf(50)
30) --> Super Speed==> Run(30)
32) --> Granite Armor==> DefBuf(32)DefBuf(33)DefBuf(33)DmgRes(33)DmgRes(34)DmgRes(34)
35) --> Mineral Armor==> DefBuf(35)DefBuf(37)DefBuf(39)
38) --> Foot Stomp==> Acc(38)Dmg(40)Dmg(42)EndRdx(42)Rechg(42)Rechg(43)
41) --> Salt Crystals==> Acc(41)Acc(48)
44) --> Fossilize==> Acc(44)Acc(45)Hold(45)Hold(45)Hold(46)Rechg(46)
47) --> Teleport Foe==> Acc(47)Acc(50)
49) --> Maneuvers==> DefBuf(49)EndRdx(50)
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01) --> Sprint==> EndRdx(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Acc(1)
01) --> Gauntlet==> Empty(1)
02) --> Rest==> Rechg(2)
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I think this would be an overall ok build since I mainly PvE anyways. Now I just need to find a teammate who has kinetics and is around lvl 9 so we can lvl up together.

 

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id work either stone prison or hurl into the build but preferably stone prison for the useful immob and -fly by removing maneuvers which is too much end points and too low def to be of real value to a stone tank imo.

He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.

 

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First of all I would like to say thanks for all the input and ideas given by you guys. It has helped me out a lot. When that is said I've settled down to this final build incorporating most of your ideas without sacrificing to many of my own.

Final build for TerraForma:

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Exported from Ver: 1.7.6.0 of the CoH_CoV Character Builder
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Name: TerraForma
Level: 50
Archetype: Tanker
Primary: Stone Armor
Secondary: Super Strength
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01) --> Rock Armor==> DefBuf(1)DefBuf(3)DefBuf(5)
01) --> Jab==> Acc(1)Dmg(3)Dmg(48)
02) --> Stone Skin==> DmgRes(2)DmgRes(13)DmgRes(13)
04) --> Haymaker==> Acc(4)Dmg(5)Dmg(19)EndRdx(43)Rechg(43)Rechg(46)
06) --> Mud Pots==> EndRdx(6)Acc(7)Dmg(7)Dmg(9)Taunt(11)Dmg(15)
08) --> Earth's Embrace==> Rechg(8)Rechg(9)Rechg(11)Heal(19)Heal(21)Heal(31)
10) --> Rooted==> Heal(10)Heal(15)Heal(17)
12) --> Teleport Foe==> Acc(12)Acc(48)
14) --> Teleport==> EndRdx(14)EndRdx(48)
16) --> Taunt==> Rechg(16)Rechg(17)Rechg(27)Taunt(36)Taunt(36)Taunt(37)
18) --> Swift==> Run(18)Run(36)Run(37)
20) --> Health==> Heal(20)Heal(21)Heal(27)
22) --> Stamina==> EndMod(22)EndMod(23)EndMod(23)
24) --> Hasten==> Rechg(24)Rechg(25)Rechg(25)
26) --> Knockout Blow==> Acc(26)Dmg(31)Dmg(39)EndRdx(39)Rechg(40)Rechg(40)
28) --> Rage==> Rechg(28)Rechg(29)Rechg(29)TH_Buf(31)TH_Buf(34)TH_Buf(50)
30) --> Super Speed==> Run(30)
32) --> Granite Armor==> DefBuf(32)DefBuf(33)DefBuf(33)DmgRes(33)DmgRes(34)DmgRes(34)
35) --> Mineral Armor==> DefBuf(35)DefBuf(37)DefBuf(39)
38) --> Foot Stomp==> Acc(38)Dmg(40)Dmg(42)EndRdx(42)Rechg(42)Rechg(43)
41) --> Stone Prison==> Acc(41)Acc(45)
44) --> Fossilize==> Acc(44)Acc(45)Hold(45)Hold(46)Hold(46)Rechg(50)
47) --> Recall Friend==> IntRdx(47)
49) --> Stalagmites==> Acc(49)Acc(50)
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01) --> Sprint==> EndRdx(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Acc(1)
01) --> Gauntlet==> Empty(1)
02) --> Rest==> Rechg(2)
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Just one final question remains answered. Is this a build playable from scratch or is it more something I should respec into later? If so, at what lvl?