invu/em advice please


Brimmy

 

Posted

was thinking between eitherinvu/ss or invu/em and since i have a stone/ss its gonna be em this time

i was sketching on a build considering i wanna be able to solo and at the same time do my job in a team, so, this is what i've come up with so far. any advice is highly appreciated.

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Name:
Level: 50
Archetype: Tanker
Primary: Invulnerability
Secondary: Energy Melee
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01) --> Temp Invulnerability
* End Reduction(1)
* Damage Resist(3)
* Damage Resist(5)
* Damage Resist(7)
* End Reduction(13)

01) --> Barrage
* Accuracy(1)

02) --> Energy Punch
* Accuracy(2)
* End Reduction(3)
* Damage(9)
* Damage(29)
* Damage(40)
* Recharge Reduction(43)

04) --> Dull Pain
* Recharge Reduction(4)
* Recharge Reduction(5)
* Recharge Reduction(9)
* Healing(13)
* Healing(25)
* Healing(31)

06) --> Bone Smasher
* Accuracy(6)
* End Reduction(7)
* Damage(11)
* Damage(25)
* Damage(37)
* Recharge Reduction(42)

08) --> Unyielding
* End Reduction(8)
* Damage Resist(34)

10) --> Air Superiority
* Accuracy(10)
* End Reduction(11)

12) --> Swift
* Run Speed(12)

14) --> Fly
* End Reduction(14)
* Flight Speed(15)
* Flight Speed(15)
* Flight Speed(31)

16) --> Health
* Healing(16)
* Healing(17)
* Healing(17)

18) --> Invincibility
* End Reduction(18)
* Defense Buff(19)
* Defense Buff(19)
* Defense Buff(23)
* Taunt Duration(23)
* To Hit Buff(50)

20) --> Stamina
* Endurance Modification(20)
* Endurance Modification(21)
* Endurance Modification(21)

22) --> Taunt
* Recharge Reduction(22)
* Recharge Reduction(48)
* Taunt Duration(50)
* Taunt Duration(50)

24) --> Resist Physical Damage
* Damage Resist(24)
* Damage Resist(34)
* Damage Resist(46)

26) --> Tough Hide
* Defense Buff(26)
* Defense Buff(27)
* Defense Buff(27)

28) --> Resist Elements
* Damage Resist(28)
* Damage Resist(29)
* Damage Resist(43)

30) --> Resist Energies
* Damage Resist(30)
* Damage Resist(31)
* Damage Resist(43)

32) --> Unstoppable
* Damage Resist(32)
* Damage Resist(33)
* Recharge Reduction(33)
* Recharge Reduction(33)
* Recharge Reduction(34)

35) --> Energy Transfer
* Accuracy(35)
* End Reduction(36)
* Damage(36)
* Damage(36)
* Damage(37)
* Recharge Reduction(37)

38) --> Total Focus
* Accuracy(38)
* End Reduction(39)
* Damage(39)
* Damage(39)
* Damage(40)
* Recharge Reduction(40)

41) --> Conserve Power
* Empty Enhancement(41)
* Recharge Reduction(42)
* Recharge Reduction(42)

44) --> Laser Beam Eyes
* Accuracy(44)
* Damage(45)
* Damage(45)
* Damage(45)
* Defense DeBuff(46)
* Defense DeBuff(46)

47) --> Build Up
* Recharge Reduction(47)
* Recharge Reduction(48)
* Recharge Reduction(48)

49) --> Hasten
* Recharge Reduction(49)

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01) --> Sprint
* Empty Enhancement(1)

01) --> Brawl
* Empty Enhancement(1)

02) --> Rest
* Empty Enhancement(2)

01) --> Gauntlet
* Empty Enhancement(1)

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@EU Brimmy - Union and Exalted servers

 

Posted

Looks solid enough mate but theres a few points you may want to consider:
<ul type="square">[*]As an invul you need taunt at lvl 10 (because of the lack of a taunt aura until 18), possibly ahead of energy punch and you wont have the end to have a full attack chain before stamina due to temp invul's really high end cost. [*]I've always thought it was worth 3 slotting resistance in unyielding 15% up from 10% against fire/cold/energy/negative[*]Maybe swap resist elements and build up as most of the fire/cold damage is pre 30 anyway (just my opinion seems a shame to have two of the most damaging moves in the tanker secondaries and not have build up, could even respec out energy punch completly and take resist elements at 22).[*] Have you considered the medicine pool? slotted 3 heal 2 interupt and 1 recharge means you can use it in between DoT and its a 40% heal every 15 seconds (not worth it though if you cant spare the slots).[/list]


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Posted

good advice, im still gonna go kinda scrank untill SO lvl though, i feel that Invuln needs some time to really get into itself and for that reason i'm keeping it a bit low at first. (wich ofc i wil explain to any teams i end up in )

i'm gonna have a look at slotting unyielding more, i've been told before its not really worth slotting but maybe its changed since then (was before i7)

i did think about the medicine pool at first but i kinda feel i can at least try without it, if i feel the need for it later on i can always pick it up


@EU Brimmy - Union and Exalted servers

 

Posted

took your advice to heart and looked over a new build plan.
i also changed travelpower to get some extra slots early on (was thinking ss or fly so either is just fine from a personal point of view)

what i'm thinking about now is,
would this be able to solo (at least fairly good/fast) if there are no teams around?

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Name: Name ?
Level: 50
Archetype: Tanker
Primary: Invulnerability
Secondary: Energy Melee
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01) --&gt; Temp Invulnerability
* End Reduction(1)
* Damage Resist(3)
* Damage Resist(5)
* Damage Resist(7)
* End Reduction(15)

01) --&gt; Barrage
* Accuracy(1)

02) --&gt; Dull Pain
* Recharge Reduction(2)
* Recharge Reduction(3)
* Recharge Reduction(7)
* Healing(11)
* Healing(13)
* Healing(46)

04) --&gt; Bone Smasher
* Accuracy(4)
* End Reduction(5)
* Damage(11)
* Damage(13)
* Damage(15)
* Recharge Reduction(37)

06) --&gt; Hasten
* Recharge Reduction(6)
* Recharge Reduction(42)
* Recharge Reduction(43)

08) --&gt; Unyielding
* End Reduction(8)
* Damage Resist(9)
* Damage Resist(9)

10) --&gt; Taunt
* Recharge Reduction(10)
* Taunt Duration(46)

12) --&gt; Hurdle
* Jump(12)

14) --&gt; Super Speed
* Run Speed(14)
* Endurance Modification(21)

16) --&gt; Health
* Healing(16)
* Healing(17)
* Healing(17)

18) --&gt; Invincibility
* End Reduction(18)
* Defense Buff(19)
* Defense Buff(19)
* Defense Buff(23)
* Taunt Duration(29)
* To Hit Buff(43)

20) --&gt; Stamina
* Endurance Modification(20)
* Endurance Modification(21)

22) --&gt; Resist Elements
* Damage Resist(22)
* Damage Resist(23)
* Damage Resist(29)

24) --&gt; Energy Punch
* Accuracy(24)
* End Reduction(25)
* Damage(25)
* Damage(31)
* Damage(34)

26) --&gt; Tough Hide
* Defense Buff(26)
* Defense Buff(27)
* Defense Buff(27)

28) --&gt; Build Up
* Recharge Reduction(28)
* Recharge Reduction(34)
* Recharge Reduction(40)

30) --&gt; Resist Energies
* Damage Resist(30)
* Damage Resist(31)
* Damage Resist(31)

32) --&gt; Unstoppable
* Recharge Reduction(32)
* Recharge Reduction(33)
* Recharge Reduction(33)
* Damage Resist(33)
* Damage Resist(34)
* Damage Resist(43)

35) --&gt; Energy Transfer
* Accuracy(35)
* End Reduction(36)
* Damage(36)
* Damage(36)
* Damage(37)
* Recharge Reduction(37)

38) --&gt; Total Focus
* Accuracy(38)
* End Reduction(39)
* Damage(39)
* Damage(39)
* Damage(40)
* Recharge Reduction(40)

41) --&gt; Conserve Power
* Recharge Reduction(41)
* Recharge Reduction(42)
* Recharge Reduction(42)

44) --&gt; Laser Beam Eyes
* Accuracy(44)
* Damage(45)
* Damage(45)
* Defense DeBuff(45)
* Defense DeBuff(46)

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01) --&gt; Sprint
* Empty Enhancement(1)

01) --&gt; Brawl
* Empty Enhancement(1)

02) --&gt; Rest
* Empty Enhancement(2)

01) --&gt; Gauntlet
* Empty Enhancement(1)

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@EU Brimmy - Union and Exalted servers

 

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08) --&gt; Unyielding
* End Reduction(8)
* Damage Resist(9)
* Damage Resist(9)

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add a dam res take one from unstop as you have overslotted way beyond capped res there. It does more than Rel and Ren and is worth slotting prior to either.

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18) --&gt; Invincibility
* End Reduction(18)
* Defense Buff(19)
* Defense Buff(19)
* Defense Buff(23)
* Taunt Duration(29)
* To Hit Buff(43)

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tohits dont do alot as its a small buff that temporarily and situationally increase, this is also very low eps and ya may find even ya first attack better off endurance slotted instead to lower the eps of your attack chain

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20) --&gt; Stamina
* Endurance Modification(20)
* Endurance Modification(21)

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take another res from unstop for same reason and increase your stamina

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32) --&gt; Unstoppable
* Recharge Reduction(32)
* Recharge Reduction(33)
* Recharge Reduction(33)
* Damage Resist(33)
* Damage Resist(34)
* Damage Resist(43)

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just move 2 dam res here to where i said as they wouldnt be doing anything here anyway.

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44) --&gt; Laser Beam Eyes
* Accuracy(44)
* Damage(45)
* Damage(45)
* Defense DeBuff(45)
* Defense DeBuff(46)

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id of took foc acc, yes it requires slotting but it effectively defense debuffs everything around and the +per i find nice to have. However it is a better attack to have than say energy punch, Id of probably said okay conserve, foc acc, laser eyes and then thought sod it torrent is a multihit so get that too.


He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.

 

Posted

okay..

stamina is supposed to be 3slotted (20,21,21) but the trainer went wierd and moved the third enmod to SS when i copied the text

about unstoppable, accoarding to the planner (sherks) the base resist is 70% with 3res enhances it around 100% how can that not be worth it?

focused acc took a bit of thought before i decided not to have it, first of all at those lvls 1acc SO will let me hit about anything in range and this set seems endheavy enough as it is without having FA sucking me dry ^^

i will look over the slotting and se where i can move a third dam res into Unyielding.

tyvm for the pointers


@EU Brimmy - Union and Exalted servers

 

Posted

i've looked it over again, considering what you've said, is this kinda what you meant?

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Name: invu em
Level: 50
Archetype: Tanker
Primary: Invulnerability
Secondary: Energy Melee
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01) --&gt; Temp Invulnerability==&gt; EndRdx(1) DmgRes(3) DmgRes(5) DmgRes(7) EndRdx(37)
01) --&gt; Barrage==&gt; Acc(1)
02) --&gt; Dull Pain==&gt; Rechg(2) Rechg(3) Rechg(7) Heal(11) Heal(13)
04) --&gt; Bone Smasher==&gt; Acc(4) EndRdx(5) Dmg(11) Dmg(13) EndRdx(15) Dmg(29)
06) --&gt; Hasten==&gt; Rechg(6) Rechg(43) Rechg(43)
08) --&gt; Unyielding==&gt; EndRdx(8) DmgRes(9) DmgRes(9) DmgRes(15)
10) --&gt; Taunt==&gt; Rechg(10) Taunt(43)
12) --&gt; Hurdle==&gt; Jump(12)
14) --&gt; Super Speed==&gt; Run(14)
16) --&gt; Health==&gt; Heal(16) Heal(17) Heal(17)
18) --&gt; Invincibility==&gt; DefBuf(18) DefBuf(19) DefBuf(19) Taunt(23) Taunt(29) EndRdx(40)
20) --&gt; Stamina==&gt; EndMod(20) EndMod(21) EndMod(21)
22) --&gt; Resist Elements==&gt; DmgRes(22) DmgRes(23) DmgRes(31)
24) --&gt; Energy Punch==&gt; Acc(24) EndRdx(25) Dmg(25) Dmg(31) Dmg(33)
26) --&gt; Tough Hide==&gt; DefBuf(26) DefBuf(27) DefBuf(27)
28) --&gt; Build Up==&gt; Rechg(28) Rechg(34) Rechg(42) TH_Buf(46)
30) --&gt; Resist Energies==&gt; DmgRes(30) DmgRes(31) DmgRes(34)
32) --&gt; Unstoppable==&gt; Rechg(32) Rechg(33) Rechg(33) DmgRes(34)
35) --&gt; Energy Transfer==&gt; Acc(35) EndRdx(36) Dmg(36) Dmg(36) Dmg(37) Rechg(37)
38) --&gt; Total Focus==&gt; Acc(38) EndRdx(39) Dmg(39) Dmg(39) Dmg(40) Rechg(40)
41) --&gt; Conserve Power==&gt; Rechg(41) Rechg(42) Rechg(42)
44) --&gt; Focused Accuracy==&gt; EndRdx(44) EndRdx(45) EndRdx(45) TH_Buf(45) TH_Buf(46) TH_Buf(46)
47) --&gt; Laser Beam Eyes==&gt; Acc(47) Dmg(48) Dmg(48) DefDeBuf(48) DefDeBuf(50)
49) --&gt; Resist Physical Damage==&gt; DmgRes(49) DmgRes(50) DmgRes(50)
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01) --&gt; Sprint==&gt; Empty(1)
01) --&gt; Brawl==&gt; Empty(1)
02) --&gt; Rest==&gt; Empty(2)
01) --&gt; Gauntlet==&gt; Empty(1)
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gotta say i'm not very keen on Focused Acc but whe n iget there i might be, never know.


@EU Brimmy - Union and Exalted servers

 

Posted

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okay..

stamina is supposed to be 3slotted (20,21,21) but the trainer went wierd and moved the third enmod to SS when i copied the text

about unstoppable, accoarding to the planner (sherks) the base resist is 70% with 3res enhances it around 100% how can that not be worth it?


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Because you have forgotten to count in the other toggles like unyielding and temp inv to the resist. These are still kept running at the time you hit unstoppable and thus adds to the resists, which puts you over 100% on all resists bar psi with a single resist enhancement in Unstoppable,


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Officer Cuffz lvl 50 Inv/Nrg Tank
Badge lvl 50 dwarf/human Peacebringer
Dark Air lvl 50 Ice/Cold Corruptor
Ayre lvl 50 Storm/Elec Defender

Total Cat: @Officer Cuffz

"When I say interview, I mean engage in combat and defeat..." -Laura Brunetti, on how to deal with Warriors.

 

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02) --&gt; Dull Pain==&gt; Rechg(2) Rechg(3) Rechg(7) Heal(11) Heal(13)

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one more heal in this.

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24) --&gt; Energy Punch==&gt; Acc(24) EndRdx(25) Dmg(25) Dmg(31) Dmg(33)

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this is a pretty weak attack, and i have noticed you have left out whirling hands....

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35) --&gt; Energy Transfer==&gt; Acc(35) EndRdx(36) Dmg(36) Dmg(36) Dmg(37) Rechg(37)

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my own personal preference in this would be to put another Acc instead of end redux since i want this heavy hitter to hit when i use it... however, as i see you have hasten its understandable to put in a endredux and skip out on accuracy as you will be able to use it more often.

other than that, it looks pretty solid and similar slotting to my own.


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Officer Cuffz lvl 50 Inv/Nrg Tank
Badge lvl 50 dwarf/human Peacebringer
Dark Air lvl 50 Ice/Cold Corruptor
Ayre lvl 50 Storm/Elec Defender

Total Cat: @Officer Cuffz

"When I say interview, I mean engage in combat and defeat..." -Laura Brunetti, on how to deal with Warriors.

 

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thought i added a third heal to DP, must have seen wrong.

i know energy punch isnt the best attack in the world, but dont you reckon it could fill the attackchain better than Whirling?

on ET, maybe keep the end and set an Acc instead of the recharge? come to think of it 20 secs isnt that long for such a heavy hitter, and with hasten even less

another thing about ET that i'm just curious about, how much HP does it actually use?


@EU Brimmy - Union and Exalted servers

 

Posted

just gonna say that i've put together yet another build now and i'm gonna go with it doing necessary changes as i go along

thnx to all of you for the advice, i must say it was harder to plan out an invu tank than it was to plan out Brim XD


@EU Brimmy - Union and Exalted servers

 

Posted

Whirling is an aoe it reduces fight duration by multihitting several foes at once in its action time you could of whacked 10 foes giving an effective total of 10 times whatever damage it says in herobuilder against a group and yes with unstoppable you need to apply the resistances of passives really.


He will honor his words; he will definitely carry out his actions. What he promises he will fulfill. He does not care about his bodily self, putting his life and death aside to come forward for another's troubled besiegement. He does not boast about his ability, or shamelessly extol his own virtues. - Sima Qian.

 

Posted

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thought i added a third heal to DP, must have seen wrong.

i know energy punch isnt the best attack in the world, but dont you reckon it could fill the attackchain better than Whirling?


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That I cant answer, I fill out my attack chain quite nicely with Air superiority. And i dont even have Hasten.

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on ET, maybe keep the end and set an Acc instead of the recharge? come to think of it 20 secs isnt that long for such a heavy hitter, and with hasten even less


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I think I run with 2 acc, 3 dam and 1 recharge redux on ET. Im following the Credo of "It doesnt matter if you six slot for damage, if you dont hit, you dont do any damage at [u]all[u]"
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another thing about ET that i'm just curious about, how much HP does it actually use?

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hardly noticeable, Its so small I usually forget there is any Health cost at all..


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Officer Cuffz lvl 50 Inv/Nrg Tank
Badge lvl 50 dwarf/human Peacebringer
Dark Air lvl 50 Ice/Cold Corruptor
Ayre lvl 50 Storm/Elec Defender

Total Cat: @Officer Cuffz

"When I say interview, I mean engage in combat and defeat..." -Laura Brunetti, on how to deal with Warriors.

 

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i know energy punch isnt the best attack in the world, but dont you reckon it could fill the attackchain better than Whirling?

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Just a quick point, on Whirling Hands vs Energy Punch all this based in the main on my experience with my Fire/EM tank who I use in the Solo but can Team vain. EP is imo a weak attack that is well bettered by Bonesmasher, Energy Transfer and Total Focus with those 3 available I dont really look at EP at all as I can set up a solid high damage chain anyway. Whirling Hand is imo an absolutely invaluable attack both solo and in teams, seriously its a top AoE and well worth taking you will love it

All just my opinion of course but hope it helps,

Cheers,

White


 

Posted

hmm, will have to try whirling out on test when i get there, i have footstomp on Brimstone (more as aggro-grab than anything else really) perhaps whirling can suit my playstyle quite well afterall thnx again for the advice

i will also have a look at ET slotting when i get there, but its far away atm, started him up today so i'm only lvl 7 so far


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