Ice/Ice build help
Some Ice Secondary thoughts from Personal Experience:
Chilblain is a must-have and a good way to keep the enemy afar. Haven't slotted it on my AR/Ice, but it works decently with just the one Accuracy SO.
Frozen Fists I haven't taken, mainly since I'm concentrated on ranged attacks. That hasn't prevented from taking Ice Sword, which is a high-damage attack with fast animation. Standard attack slotting on these both.
Chilling Embrace is a sure way to get debt if you use it in a team without a proper tank or other form of aggro management / damage migitation. If you are being protected, the slow factor in it is quite impressive. Have it on the AR, but haven't slotted at the moment asides from a single Endurance Reduction. Will be going for 2 endred/2 slow.
Build Up is a good power from /ice (duh) 3 recharges
Ice Patch is actually a great power. Pull a group with something like ice storm which can be fired round corners, slab patch at the said corner, watch them run into the patch and fall down. Finish with whatever AoE you can muster up. In teams, put it down where you are standing and anything coming at you will lose most of its opportunities to smash you into smithereens with melee attacks. It is perma with one SO Recharge, and you won't be needing more than one.
Can't say anything about Shiver yet, except it seems to have a huge area, which should make it nice and good for team situs. Accuracies, Ranges, Slows and Endreds to taste.
Many have recomended Freezing Touch, but since you already get good holds from your primary, it's more of a waste. If getting it, you need to consider if you're using it as an attack (it has good damage potential) or as a hold.
Frozen Aura might actually work with Ice Primary since it is a Single-Target oriented. Fire FA and pick off targets one-by-one. I'm not getting it with my AoE heavy AR blaster. It's a bit panic-buttoney, but Ice Patch has better activation time and a larger are it affects
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This is what I'm planning to respec my ice/ice into at some point. It's a compromise PvE/PvP build and I'd do some things differently for levelling.
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Exported from Ver: 1.7.6.0 of the CoH_CoV Character Builder - (http://sherksilver.coldfront.net/index.php)
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Name: Chango
Level: 50
Archetype: Blaster
Primary: Ice Blast
Secondary: Ice Manipulation
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01) --> Ice Blast==> Acc(1) Dmg(3) Dmg(3) Dmg(5) Acc(31) Rechg(43)
01) --> Chilblain==> Acc(1) Acc(37)
02) --> Ice Bolt==> Acc(2) Dmg(15) Dmg(17) Dmg(21) Acc(40)
04) --> Ice Sword==> Acc(4) Dmg(5) Dmg(13) Dmg(15) Acc(31) EndRdx(40)
06) --> Aim==> Rechg(6) Rechg(7) Rechg(7) TH_Buf(43)
08) --> Freeze Ray==> Acc(8) Hold(9) Hold(9) Acc(17) Rechg(37) Rechg(50)
10) --> Chilling Embrace==> EndRdx(10) EndRdx(11) Slow(11) Slow(13)
12) --> Hover==> Fly(12)
14) --> Fly==> Fly(14) Fly(46) Fly(46) EndRdx(46)
16) --> Swift==> Run(16)
18) --> Bitter Ice Blast==> Acc(18) Dmg(19) Dmg(19) Dmg(21) Acc(31) EndRdx(40)
20) --> Hurdle==> Jump(20)
22) --> Stamina==> Rechg(22) EndMod(23) EndMod(23)
24) --> Hasten==> Rechg(24) Rechg(25) Rechg(25)
26) --> Build Up==> Rechg(26) Rechg(27) Rechg(27) TH_Buf(43)
28) --> Shiver==> Acc(28) Slow(29) Slow(29) Acc(34) Range(42)
30) --> Ice Patch==> Rechg(30)
32) --> Blizzard==> Dmg(32) Dmg(33) Dmg(33) Acc(33) Rechg(34) Rechg(34)
35) --> Ice Storm==> Dmg(35) Dmg(36) Slow(36) Slow(36) Slow(37)
38) --> Freezing Touch==> Acc(38) Acc(39) Hold(39) Hold(39)
41) --> Personal Force Field==> DefBuf(41) DefBuf(42) DefBuf(42)
44) --> Temp Invulnerability==> DmgRes(44) DmgRes(45) DmgRes(45) EndRdx(45)
47) --> Force of Nature==> Rechg(47) Rechg(48) Rechg(48) DmgRes(48) DmgRes(50) DmgRes(50)
49) --> Super Speed==> Run(49)
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Some comments:
- Frost Breath is an OK power for PvE, but becomes less and less useful in the higher levels.
- Bitter Freeze Ray: I dropped it after a couple of levels because the animation time drove me crazy (and useless for PvP). Given that I play as a blapper, I prefer to use Freezing Touch as my 2nd hold.
- Blizzard: I had dropped this after ED, but will take it again now that's it's buffable. I woiuld definitely recommend Ice Storm with it, to keep mobs within its range.
- Chilbain: I mainly use it for the -fly, so don't slot it much.
- Frozen Fists: used to be a nice detoggling attack, but I'm now dropping it. Fast animation but low damage. Take Ice Sword though (unless you really want to stay at range, but that would be a mistake imho).
- Chilling Embrace: I personally like it since I'm in melee a lot but it's definitely endurance costly.
- Shiver: I also like it a lot to keep stacking the slows.
- Frozen Aura: worthless in my opinion because it comes too late (you can't really solo much in the 40s).
- Ice Patch: best power from /ice. As simple as that.
- You definitely want Hasten and Stamina.
- Take Aim!
- I like Hover/Fly for maneuverability, but CJ/SJ/Acro is a good choice too.
Hope some of this helps!
CoX 50s: <ill/rad> <ice/ice> <fire/kin> <grav/sonic> <ice/storm> <earth/kin> <kin/elec> <cold/psy> <thugs/dark> <fire/dark> <dark/elec> <night widow> <EM/ninj> <mind/icy>
My Ice/ice blaster is only lvl 33, having read what you've said i'd just like to point out a view things from what u have said:
-Ice Patch: Had it, used it, respeced it out due to the small AoE and it creating a patch around me instead of targeted. Didnt like it because of that and i used to get killed by bosses alot when using it lol.
-Build up/Aim: Doesnt seem like such a good move to me due to my lack of sniper attacks, its short duration and long cooldown but i have never actually used it so i might try it.
-Fly/Hover: uh... too slow for me :P i prefer cj/sj/acro for immob, knockback + hold res
-Chilling Embrace: Tried it, was too endurance greedy to fit into my battle plan i'd sooner use chillbaines or 1 of the freeze rays.
-Frost Breath: The only AoE, apart from storm or blizzard but thats targeted, in ice. I use it good for PvE but worthless in PvP (good job, i dont do PvP much anyway).
As for the slotting you suggested its really good the only thing i would change is one dmg for range on frost bolt due to it being good for pulling in my case.
Thanks for the help guys i think i know what i'm doing now.
re: Build Up / Aim. What you lack in sniper attack, you gain in bitter ice blast - you get nearly the damage of a snipe with Aim + Build-up + BIP, AND you still have Aim and Build-up active after you've fired it off to make additional attacks. To be honest, aim+buildup combo benefits ice blasters more than those who have to rely on snipe for the über damage.
And just to try to sway you to the dark side... Maybe you should re-consider Ice Patch - as long as you don't try to immob the boss after firing IP, it's far more reliable source of soft control than anything else you possess (blizzard not included). Just remember that your Ice Immobs, even if not successful, negate the Patch knockdown effect. If you trust the patch to do its job, it is great
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After experimenting with the hero planner i think i have worked out a possible build, so here it is:
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Exported from version 1.5C of CoH Planner
http://joechott.com/coh
Archetype: Blaster
Primary Powers - Ranged : Ice Blast
Secondary Powers - Support : Ice Manipulation
01 : Chilblain acc(01) acc(37)
01 : Ice Blast acc(01) dam(3) dam(3) dam(5) acc(13) recred(37)
02 : Ice Bolt acc(02) dam(15) dam(17) rng(21) acc(40)
04 : Ice Sword acc(04) dam(5) dam(13) dam(15) acc(31) endred(43)
06 : Aim recred(06) recred(7) recred(7) thtbuf(43)
08 : Freeze Ray acc(08) hlddur(9) hlddur(9) acc(17) recred(37) recred(46)
10 : Frost Breath acc(10) dam(11) dam(11)
12 : Combat Jumping defbuf(12)
14 : Super Jump jmp(14) jmp(23)
16 : Swift runspd(16)
18 : Bitter Ice Blast acc(18) dam(19) dam(19) dam(21) acc(40) endred(43)
20 : Acrobatics endred(20)
22 : Health hel(22) hel(23)
24 : Hasten recred(24) recred(25) recred(25)
26 : Bitter Freeze Ray acc(26) hlddur(27) hlddur(27) acc(46) recred(46) recred(50)
28 : Shiver acc(28) slw(29) slw(29) acc(34) conrng(42)
30 : Stamina endrec(30) endrec(31) endrec(31)
32 : Blizzard dam(32) dam(33) dam(33) recred(33) recred(34) recred(34)
35 : Freezing Touch acc(35) hlddur(36) hlddur(36) hlddur(36)
38 : Ice Storm dam(38) dam(39) slw(39) slw(39) slw(40)
41 : Static Discharge acc(41) dam(42) dam(42)
44 : Charged Armor damres(44) damres(45) damres(45) endred(45)
47 : EMP Pulse recred(47) recred(48) recred(48) hlddur(48) hlddur(50) hlddur(50)
49 : Boxing acc(49)
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01 : Brawl enhancement(01)
01 : Sprint enhancement(01)
02 : Rest enhancement(02)
Anything thats a bit iffy in there? or does it look alright?
It's pretty OK assuming you don't plan to exemp (Stamina at 30). A few things I would slot differently and reasons why:
- Frost Breath: try to get a 3rd damage in there
- Combat Jump: defence is minimal, slot for Jump instead
- Super Jump: for PvE, 1 Jump should be enough (unless you have spare slots later on)
- Health: contrary to popular belief, this is not that helpful for a squishy (and definitely not worth slotting). I personally prefer to take Hurdle/Swift, but it's up to you really.
- Freezing Touch: I would swap the last Hold for an Acc. You don't want this to miss!
- Ice Storm: I would try to get this earlier since it's a great combo with Blizzard
- Boxing at 49??? No.
- Still think you should reconsider taking Ice Patch. Once you learn how to use it (e.g. pull around corners) it's a very nice power to have.
Enjoy!
CoX 50s: <ill/rad> <ice/ice> <fire/kin> <grav/sonic> <ice/storm> <earth/kin> <kin/elec> <cold/psy> <thugs/dark> <fire/dark> <dark/elec> <night widow> <EM/ninj> <mind/icy>
Some things from me as well:
- Ice Patch would be great (You noticing peer pressure? nay) for your character.
- I'd go with Hurdle instead of Health as well. For a blaster, the regeneration boost from Health is a bit meh - not useless but could be better. If you choose not to take Hurdle, go with the two slots in Super Jump to get moving around real fast. With Hurdle you can go with just one slot in each and get them to more vital abilities.
- I'd slot Bitter Freeze Ray with Acc x2, Hold x2, Dmg x2, as it's quite clumbersome to use mid-combat and you already have two holds going. Or even better yet, drop BFR, and get the Hold from Elec epic instead of the Cone. You could even replace BFR with ... say Ice Patch.
- Get Air Superiority or Recall Friend instead of Boxing at 49. Both go just fine without extra slotting and are more useful than Boxing.
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you should defenitely get aim and build up. It's what seperates Blasters from Spines Scrappers really. Like the others, I also recommend getting Ice patch, as it's a fantastic power when used properly.
Here's what I would probably go with for a pure PVE build:
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Name: 1
Level: 50
Archetype: Blaster
Primary: Ice Blast
Secondary: Ice Manipulation
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01) --> Ice Blast==> AccEndRdxDmgDmgDmgRechg
01) --> Chilblain==> AccEndRdxRechg
02) --> Ice Bolt==> AccEndRdxDmgDmgDmg
04) --> Ice Sword==> AccEndRdxDmgDmgDmgRechg
06) --> Hurdle==> Jump
08) --> Freeze Ray==> AccEndRdxHoldHoldRechgRechg
10) --> Aim==> RechgRechgRechg
12) --> Combat Jumping==> Jump
14) --> Super Jump==> JumpJump
16) --> Build Up==> RechgRechgRechg
18) --> Bitter Ice Blast==> AccEndRdxDmgDmgDmgRechg
20) --> Swift==> Run
22) --> Stamina==> EndModEndModEndMod
24) --> Ice Patch==> RechgRechg
26) --> Hasten==> RechgRechgRechg
28) --> Frost Breath==> AccEndRdxDmgDmgDmgRange
30) --> Acrobatics==> EndRdx
32) --> Blizzard==> DmgDmgDmgRechg
35) --> Freezing Touch==> AccEndRdxHoldHoldRechgRechg
38) --> Shiver==> AccAccSlowSlowSlow
41) --> Snow Storm==> EndRdxEndRdxEndRdxSlowSlowSlow
44) --> Frozen Armor==> DefBufDefBufDefBufEndRdx
47) --> Hibernate==> RechgRechgRechgHeal
49) --> Chilling Embrace==> EndRdxSlowSlowSlow
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01) --> Power Slide==> Empty
01) --> Power Quick==> Empty
01) --> Sprint==> Empty
01) --> Brawl==> Empty
01) --> Defiance==> Empty
02) --> Rest==> Empty
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for PVP i go with this:
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Name: Frostblaze
Level: 50
Archetype: Blaster
Primary: Ice Blast
Secondary: Ice Manipulation
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01) --> Ice Blast==> AccAccDmgDmgDmgRechg
01) --> Chilblain==> AccAccImmobRechg
02) --> Ice Bolt==> AccAccDmgDmgDmg
04) --> Ice Sword==> AccAccDmgDmgDmgRechg
06) --> Hurdle==> JumpJumpJump
08) --> Freeze Ray==> AccAccHoldHoldRechgRechg
10) --> Aim==> RechgRechgRechgTH_BufTH_Buf
12) --> Hasten==> RechgRechgRechg
14) --> Super Speed==> RunEndRdx
16) --> Build Up==> RechgRechgRechgTH_BufTH_Buf
18) --> Bitter Ice Blast==> AccAccDmgDmgDmgRechg
20) --> Swift==> Run
22) --> Stamina==> EndModEndModEndMod
24) --> Combat Jumping==> JumpJump
26) --> Super Jump==> Jump
28) --> Chilling Embrace==> EndRdxEndRdxSlowSlowSlow
30) --> Acrobatics==> EndRdx
32) --> Teleport Foe==> AccAccRangeIntRdx
35) --> Freezing Touch==> AccAccHoldHoldRechgRechg
38) --> Shiver==> AccAccSlowSlowSlowRechg
41) --> Snow Storm==> EndRdxEndRdxEndRdxSlowSlowRechg
44) --> Ice Patch==> Rechg
47) --> Frozen Armor==> DefBuf
49) --> Hibernate==> RechgRechgRechg
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01) --> Sprint==> Run
01) --> Brawl==> Empty
01) --> Defiance==> Empty
02) --> Rest==> Empty
01) --> Power Slide==> Empty
01) --> Power Quick==> Empty
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Hey folks, just got back to CoH after freeing my self from the shackles of WoW (i know its disgraceful :P)
Anyway its free respec time! only i dont know what i want to do with it, over the time i've been playing as frosty i've worked out that most of the /ice secondary powers are lame due to having tried them and most not doing anything but get me debt , with the exception of chillbanes and ice sword. The main thing i need help with is the secondary powers and the slotting of abilities, i've basicly taken every power from primary apart from aim which has worked fine up to now but i want to make it better .
So does anyone have any constructive advice? i was going to try shiver but i dont know how i need to slot it without messin it up :P, and i dont wanna waste my respec because its a pain to get lol.