Help with Build (illusion/kinetic)

Free_Radical · 07-25-2006 11:07 AM

Hi,

I have run a grav/kin controller before and found it fun. Now I have my own account I am looking to roll a new one, which is going to be an Ill/Kin controller.

I have had a go at the build, and posted it below. This is going to be from scratch. Any advice would be helpful as I have never played an Illusion before.

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Exported from Ver: 1.7.6.0 of the CoH_CoV Character Builder - (http://sherksilver.coldfront.net/index.php)
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Name: Name illkin
Level: 50
Archetype: Controller
Primary: Illusion Control
Secondary: Kinetics
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01) --> Spectral Wounds==> Acc(1) Dmg(3) Dmg(9) Dmg(11) Acc(43)
01) --> Transfusion==> Acc(1) Heal(3) Heal(5) Heal(5) Acc(34) Acc(43)
02) --> Deceive==> Acc(2) Acc(7) ConfDur(15) ConfDur(34) ConfDur(37) Range(40)
04) --> Siphon Power==> Acc(4) Acc(9) Acc(43) Rechg(48)
06) --> Flash==> Acc(6) Acc(7)
08) --> Swift==> Run(8)
10) --> Siphon Speed==> Acc(10) Acc(11) Acc(42)
12) --> Group Invisibility==> Rechg(12) Rechg(13) Rechg(13) EndRdx(17)
14) --> Air Superiority==> Acc(14) Acc(15)
16) --> Fly==> EndRdx(16) EndRdx(17)
18) --> Phantom Army==> Rechg(18) Rechg(19) Rechg(19)
20) --> Health==> Heal(20) Heal(21) Heal(21)
22) --> Stamina==> EndMod(22) EndMod(23) EndMod(23)
24) --> Speed Boost==> EndMod(24) EndMod(25) EndMod(25)
26) --> Spectral Terror==> Rechg(26) Rechg(27) Rechg(27)
28) --> Increase Density==> DmgRes(28) DmgRes(29) DmgRes(29)
30) --> Blind==> Acc(30) Acc(31) Hold(31) Hold(31) Hold(46)
32) --> Phantasm==> Rechg(32) Rechg(33) Rechg(33) Dmg(33) Dmg(34)
35) --> Transference==> Acc(35) EndMod(36) EndMod(36) EndMod(36) Acc(37) Rechg(37)
38) --> Fulcrum Shift==> Acc(38) Rechg(39) Rechg(39) Rechg(39) Acc(40) Acc(40)
41) --> Conserve Power==> EndRdx(41) Rechg(42) Rechg(42)
44) --> Temp Invulnerability==> DmgRes(44) DmgRes(45) DmgRes(45) EndRdx(45) EndRdx(46) EndRdx(46)
47) --> Power Boost==> Rechg(47) Rechg(48) Rechg(48)
49) --> Repel==> Empty(49) EndRdx(50) EndRdx(50) KB_Dist(50)
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01) --> Sprint==> Run(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Dmg(1)
01) --> Containment==> Empty(1)
02) --> Rest==> Rechg(2)
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aaaARMSaaa_EU · 07-25-2006 11:32 AM

you can't buff the damage of Phantom Army with, so you may want to add 1-2 damage and 1-2 acc definatly use six slots for PA.

the phant don't need the recharge really as he is perma, again use acc and damage. You'll be able to buff him up to.

Air sup with containment does quite a reasonable amount of damage so may want to add a few more slots if you can find some to spare.

Blind is worth taking ASAP, it is a good single target hold and sets up containment. You can leave flash until your 20's as it is only really effective with SO's. Blind and Flash are your only two powers to setup containment.

Deceive I personally wouldn't take, this is very much a personal choice.

Siphon speed i'd say put three recharge and at least two acc just so you get the fastest recharge on all your powers.

health, just keep that with the default slot and use the other slots elsewhere.

that's about all i can think of at the moment.

Windwraith · 07-26-2006 07:11 AM

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Hi,

I have run a grav/kin controller before and found it fun. Now I have my own account I am looking to roll a new one, which is going to be an Ill/Kin controller.

I have had a go at the build, and posted it below. This is going to be from scratch. Any advice would be helpful as I have never played an Illusion before.

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Exported from Ver: 1.7.6.0 of the CoH_CoV Character Builder - (http://sherksilver.coldfront.net/index.php)
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Name: Name illkin
Level: 50
Archetype: Controller
Primary: Illusion Control
Secondary: Kinetics
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01) --> Spectral Wounds==> Acc(1) Dmg(3) Dmg(9) Dmg(11) Acc(43)
01) --> Transfusion==> Acc(1) Heal(3) Heal(5) Heal(5) Acc(34) Acc(43)
02) --> Deceive==> Acc(2) Acc(7) ConfDur(15) ConfDur(34) ConfDur(37) Range(40)
04) --> Siphon Power==> Acc(4) Acc(9) Acc(43) Rechg(48)
06) --> Flash==> Acc(6) Acc(7)
08) --> Swift==> Run(8)
10) --> Siphon Speed==> Acc(10) Acc(11) Acc(42)
12) --> Group Invisibility==> Rechg(12) Rechg(13) Rechg(13) EndRdx(17)
14) --> Air Superiority==> Acc(14) Acc(15)
16) --> Fly==> EndRdx(16) EndRdx(17)
18) --> Phantom Army==> Rechg(18) Rechg(19) Rechg(19)
20) --> Health==> Heal(20) Heal(21) Heal(21)
22) --> Stamina==> EndMod(22) EndMod(23) EndMod(23)
24) --> Speed Boost==> EndMod(24) EndMod(25) EndMod(25)
26) --> Spectral Terror==> Rechg(26) Rechg(27) Rechg(27)
28) --> Increase Density==> DmgRes(28) DmgRes(29) DmgRes(29)
30) --> Blind==> Acc(30) Acc(31) Hold(31) Hold(31) Hold(46)
32) --> Phantasm==> Rechg(32) Rechg(33) Rechg(33) Dmg(33) Dmg(34)
35) --> Transference==> Acc(35) EndMod(36) EndMod(36) EndMod(36) Acc(37) Rechg(37)
38) --> Fulcrum Shift==> Acc(38) Rechg(39) Rechg(39) Rechg(39) Acc(40) Acc(40)
41) --> Conserve Power==> EndRdx(41) Rechg(42) Rechg(42)
44) --> Temp Invulnerability==> DmgRes(44) DmgRes(45) DmgRes(45) EndRdx(45) EndRdx(46) EndRdx(46)
47) --> Power Boost==> Rechg(47) Rechg(48) Rechg(48)
49) --> Repel==> Empty(49) EndRdx(50) EndRdx(50) KB_Dist(50)
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01) --> Sprint==> Run(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Dmg(1)
01) --> Containment==> Empty(1)
02) --> Rest==> Rechg(2)
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Okay,

I would take blind asap as the other person said - its really your only hope of doing semi-reasonable damage. Flash can wait, 'cos the recharge is truly awful.

I would take decieve - its a really good power which, if used well, can turn the tide of a battle.

Drop the recharges on spectral terror. You can only have one, and the base recharge is exactly the same as the duration - I personally never saw the point. change it for a fear duration. But remember that fear doesn't set up containment.

As has already been said, drop the recharges on phantasm - change them for dam / acc. He's going to be doing most of the damage on your behalf.

Also, you may find that when you have transference, you can respec out stamina...

Oh, and one last thing, remember that you're a controller. Illusion doesn't have much in the way of control, so you might want to slot your control powers for hold duration. Unless they're held you do rubbish damage, so you're really gonna want them held for as long as possible.

Thats all I can think of for just now.

Have fun though - illusion is one of the most fun 'troller sets there is imo.

Free_Radical · 07-26-2006 07:51 AM

Thanks for the info so far.

I have a quick question, if I setup containment with a hold does my phantom etc. do critical/double damage like I would do or not?

Thanks.

Windwraith · 07-26-2006 08:37 AM

Nope. Unfortunately

Boy_Wonder_EU · 07-28-2006 01:20 PM

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Name: Quantum Flash
Level: 50
Archetype: Controller
Primary: Illusion Control
Secondary: Kinetics
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01) --> Spectral Wounds==> Acc(1) Acc(3) Dmg(3) Dmg(5) Dmg(5) Rechg(7)
01) --> Transfusion==> Acc(1) Acc(7) Heal(9) Heal(9) Heal(11) Rechg(21)
02) --> Blind==> Acc(2) Acc(11) Dmg(13) Dmg(13) Dmg(15) Rechg(15)
04) --> Repel==> EndRdx(4) EndRdx(19)
06) --> Hasten==> Rechg(6) Rechg(17) Rechg(17)
08) --> Superior Invisibility==> EndRdx(8) EndRdx(19)
10) --> Siphon Speed==> Acc(10) Acc(29) Rechg(31) Rechg(33) Rechg(33)
12) --> Swift==> Run(12)
14) --> Super Speed==> Run(14)
16) --> Health==> Heal(16) Heal(31) Heal(33)
18) --> Phantom Army==> Acc(18) Dmg(25) Dmg(27) Rechg(27) Rechg(29) Rechg(31)
20) --> Flash==> Acc(20) Acc(21) Hold(23) Hold(23) Hold(25)
22) --> Stamina==> EndMod(22) EndMod(34) EndMod(34)
24) --> Speed Boost==> Rechg(24)
26) --> Spectral Terror==> Acc(26) Acc(34) Fear(36) Fear(46) Fear(50)
28) --> Inertial Reduction==> Rechg(28)
30) --> Combat Jumping==> EndRdx(30)
32) --> Phantasm==> Acc(32) Acc(36) Dmg(36) Dmg(37) Dmg(37) Rechg(46)
35) --> Transference==> Acc(35) Acc(37) EndMod(39) EndMod(39) EndMod(42)
38) --> Fulcrum Shift==> Acc(38) Acc(39) Rechg(40) Rechg(40) Rechg(40) EndRdx(48)
41) --> Power Blast==> Acc(41) Acc(42) Dmg(42) Dmg(43) EndRdx(43) Rechg(43)
44) --> Temp Invulnerability==> EndRdx(44) EndRdx(45) DmgRes(45) DmgRes(45) DmgRes(46)
47) --> Power Boost==> Rechg(47) Rechg(48) Rechg(48)
49) --> Conserve Power==> Rechg(49) Rechg(50) Rechg(50)

Quantum Flash - runs like a dream................

@Boy Wonder

Quantum Flash - Ill/Kin Controller
Leader of the Legion of Heroes

Free_Radical · 07-28-2006 01:25 PM

Thanks

Boy_Wonder_EU · 07-28-2006 01:35 PM

I think if I were to do it again I would either go with:

Ill/Rad or Fire/Kin. IMO the pets fit with their respective secondaries better. The Phant like to keep its distance, but the Imps get in close.

@Boy Wonder

Quantum Flash - Ill/Kin Controller
Leader of the Legion of Heroes

Okton · 07-28-2006 02:45 PM

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I think if I were to do it again I would either go with:

Ill/Rad or Fire/Kin.

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Or even better, play both!

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Archy · 07-28-2006 04:10 PM

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I think if I were to do it again I would either go with:

Ill/Rad or Fire/Kin.

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Or even better, play both!

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Light_Petting_EU · 07-29-2006 05:06 AM

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Or even better, play both!

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Been there, done that

You'll probably want 2 acc in every kinetics power - you'll get sick of missing.

Siphon speed needs (as others have said) 3 recharge, backed with 3 recharge in hasten for almost-but-not-quite perma hasten.

Ill/Kin can be a fantastic build but Ill/Rad has more synergy between primary and secondary (Rad has a lot of control to plug the gaps in Illusion). Fire/Kin is just plain sick at higher levels
Fire/Rad is pretty cool as well.

I personally skip Flash but only because I have access to choking cloud and EMP from RAD ... you'll probably have to take it, which is a pity as it takes forever to recharge, doesn't affect all that many and has a low duration now.

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