A 3vP thought..


Jummy

 

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First off may i say 3vP is a great event, well organised and very enjoyable!

The main thing the event has got right is this: Regular team fights, ie not a pointless 1 on 1 league ( that would just be filled with ill/kin trollers and cherry )

The ONLY downside, from what i've read so far is the people getting upset at unbalanced teams. Whilst this doesnt bother me at all, i think it upsets others..

I also think the 3 man teams is the way to go for any kind of league, as teams are much more easily organised than pentad ( s4 was a nightmare lol )

The only way i can see a pentad legue working is if a set night is picked ( ala 3vP ) and if you miss it you miss your point.

So i propose something like this:
Same initial format as 3vP with one difference. Each team must consist of no more than one melee AT ( tanker/scrapper ) and 2 of either blaster/troller/defender.

Sign up would be a first come first serve basis, and would require 20 scrappers/tankers and 30 any others..

Any thoughts ideas?


 

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i like the idea, pretty boring when you've got an all scrapper team ganking the other team. Feels more balanced that way.


 

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Yes, I really have to agree as well, facing 2 scrappers and a tank with my blaster team was surely to end up in doom.

Although, this event was well organized it was just a test, so now we know what to do for the next similar event that is made, and yours seems to be great Andy


 

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Here's a post I made in response to setting up an actual ongoing 'league' rather than a knock out cup

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After the one me and Ronin arranged a few weeks back, it did kind of put me off a bit TBH. Most people were great but the one or two who whinged and complained did kind of overshadow that.

I have looked into various ways of making a weekly league but the bottom line is that solo PvP is too unbalanced and team PvP is almost impossible to guarantee the full team will turn up every week to make a league workable.

I've even looked at 'ladder' leagues rather than traditional points ones where there is a random or seeded draw to establish league order and each week there are 'challenges' with every result affecting the ladder.

Another alternative is to have players score points individually but make it a 3vP style team event where each player is responsible for getting a team of three and fighting another team of 3. Each player then gets the points if their team wins. The problem here is that you'll just get the best or same players teaming with each others.

A way around this would be to say you can only team with a maximum of one(or none depending on the numbers) of the players you teamed with the week before and divide the table in 3 so you have to have one from each level of the table in a team, meaning people dropping or moving up will move into different parts of the table, making teams a bit more random. Also, as long as there aren't too many of 1 AT, restricting the teams to just one of each AT(no 3 man spine/regen teams thank you)

A simple 3 points for a win and maybe a bonus point if you beat them by more than 10 kills. Maybe running in 5 week periods then having one week breaks or possibly having it ongoing with a waiting list with bottom 3 relegated from the league each week and next 3 from the signup list taking their place. That way, the league size can be increased or decreased as the waiting list shrinks and grows.

Those on the waiting list could also be used as 'reserves' to fill spots for no shows. The no shows would still suffer a loss and the reserves wouldn't take their place in the league but repeated no shows will slip into the relegation zone that much quicker.

Either way, it's certainly not something I'll even be looking at in any more detail until 3vP is over and every system I've looked at has loads of wrinkles that would need ironing out.

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I really don't think limiting the melee AT's is the way to go, simply because such a huge number of the PvP players out there are scrappers.

The main problem with a league is that it needs to allow new entrants and needs to punish no shows, without kicking them entirely so the idea of relegation seems to work. Relegations happening every week and the league 'resetting' every 4 or 5 weeks also works.


 

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yes there are a lot of scrappers out there, however many of them have alts, myself included. It may be worth just seeing what numbers could be achieved in this 2/5th's ratio.

Three melee AT's is just gives too large an advantage against a side with three squishies for example.

Ideally i think pentad is THE single purest form of pvp, however not all agree, and youll struggle finding teams.


 

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Ideally i think pentad is THE single purest form of pvp, however not all agree, and youll struggle finding teams.

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I would be inclined to agree


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