Need Help With My Fire/Fire Brute ! !


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Need Help With My Fire/Fire Brute.

I have a Fire Fire Brute at lvl 21 & pretty much stuck there, main reasons are End problems, if i slot any more end reductions ill have to Dmg.

Also i love PvP and i tried my Brute out in BB, lol i couldnt even kill a lvl 15 Blaster, mainly Accaracy,end drain,pretty squishy for a Brute & not much Dmg being delt, but PvE missions my Brute is ok hard hitter hardly ever misses but still squishy and i have to rest end after every mob.

So basically what im getting at is, before i do somthing hasty and delete her, do you think Fire Fire was a wrong choise, if so what is a better choise Primary & Secondary Powers.

Taking into consideration that what im looking for is a PvP-Pve Build Brute that can solo without having to rest after every mob.
I say solo because i find as a Brute the xp is very low for some strange reason.

Any advice I would be so greatfull, she's stuck at lvl 21 so i probabbly will delete (which will be a shame) also could you state why what is good and what is not please.
Thank you
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With slotted up Stamina and Consume you should be in a good end possition, and healing flames fired off regularly too


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I have and Nrg/Fire brute and until I hit 20, I had the same problem - 1 or 2 groups and I was out of endurance. At 20 I took consume. Slot for recharge, then endrec and your end problems go away (mostly). Might still need stamina later, although I am trying to go without.


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Stamina 3 slotted, Consume 6 slotted (3/3 Rech/EndMod, or possibly 2 EndMod 1 Acc), at least 1 End in all attacks and toggles (Two in AoE's and blazing aura) and you'll be fine.


 

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Hmm...

For Consume, I'd recommend 3 rech, 2 acc and 1 endmod. You really don't want the power to miss and, provided you use it in a group of 3 or more, you should get a full end bar.

Edit: Oh, and don't forget the 3-slotted stamina!


 

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Stamina 3 slotted, Consume 6 slotted (3/3 Rech/EndMod, or possibly 2 EndMod 1 Acc), at least 1 End in all attacks and toggles (Two in AoE's and blazing aura) and you'll be fine.

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TYVM But I did a stuped thing & at lvl 20 i picked the fighting pool instead of fitness because i find fire shield 3 slotted is basiccaly like 10% defence (so it seem's).
I realy need to respec but 21 - 24 with bad end trouble will be a grind
I am praying on a free respec with I7 (wishfull thinking maybe).
Ohh i think i wi'll wait till I7 before i delete her (If i really need to).
I tried Elec brute on the Test surver i like it But! what shields for PvP, i was thinking Dark (but end problem's again i think??).


 

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Need Help With My Fire/Fire Brute.

Flush.

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ROFL Quoting Myself, All i wanted to say id Thank you every 1 and plz keep inputing info & tip's for me as i'm not doing anything hasty untill I7.
Thanx Alot
Flush.


 

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Hmm... (again)

Fire shield is ~22.5% Smash/Lethal/Fire res with a tiny bit of cold res... no defence...

There is a freespec with I7.

And do pick up fighting (box/tough at least) as the extra res is very nice indeed.

Check this out too - very handy for planning though some info is slightly out of date.


 

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Hmm... (again)

Fire shield is ~22.5% Smash/Lethal/Fire res with a tiny bit of cold res... no defence...

There is a freespec with I7.

And do pick up fighting (box/tough at least) as the extra res is very nice indeed.

Check this out too - very handy for planning though some info is slightly out of date.

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LOL yes again & tyvm much your very helpfull .


 

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I've had End issues and of course Accuracy problems with both of my brutes until L22 - that's when you get SOs and hopefully have your Stamina 3-slotted (or Consume with a couple of slots - best to get both eventually). You can't really judge a brute until then - from L22 things will get much easier providing you slot things sensibly according to your playstyle. I think you may have to choose between whether you want a non-stop PvE playstyle or whether you want a dedicated PvP build - it might be difficult to do both.

On my Fire/Fire I slotted all the attacks with 1 Accuracy, 1 End Reduction, 1 Recharge and 3 Damages - that allowed a non-stop PvE playstyle (I had Stamina 3-slotted and Consume with 3 Recharge, 1 Accuracy), even though I usually ran seven toggles. But if you PvP a lot or play PvE on Relentless then you really need 2 Accuracy in every attack - so you'd have to drop one of the other SOs, either the EndRedux (would hurt your non-stop PvE capability), Recharge (would slow down your attack chain, unless you have Hasten) or a Damage (would slow down your kill-rate).

Your shields could do with 3-slotting with Damage Resist SOs as well - that pretty much goes for all brutes. Until you get your shields slotted most of your durability will simply come from the fact that you have more hit points than most other archetypes (everything except Tankers and Kheldians in dwarf form).

L21 is certainly too early to give up if your only problems are accuracy and endurance - both can be corrected by SO enhancements.

With my SS/Dark I played most of the first twenty levels only using my status protection (obsidian shield) - that balanced health and endurance nicely into an almost non-stop playstyle. You might have been running more toggles than you need at your level.


 

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Hmm... (again)

Fire shield is ~22.5% Smash/Lethal/Fire res with a tiny bit of cold res... no defence...

There is a freespec with I7.

And do pick up fighting (box/tough at least) as the extra res is very nice indeed.

Check this out too - very handy for planning though some info is slightly out of date.

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LOL yes again & tyvm much your very helpfull .

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Brw, the Screenshots look cool & helpfull, but how do i Download them?
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I've had End issues and of course Accuracy problems with both of my brutes until L22 - that's when you get SOs and hopefully have your Stamina 3-slotted (or Consume with a couple of slots - best to get both eventually). You can't really judge a brute until then - from L22 things will get much easier providing you slot things sensibly according to your playstyle. I think you may have to choose between whether you want a non-stop PvE playstyle or whether you want a dedicated PvP build - it might be difficult to do both.

On my Fire/Fire I slotted all the attacks with 1 Accuracy, 1 End Reduction, 1 Recharge and 3 Damages - that allowed a non-stop PvE playstyle (I had Stamina 3-slotted and Consume with 3 Recharge, 1 Accuracy), even though I usually ran seven toggles. But if you PvP a lot or play PvE on Relentless then you really need 2 Accuracy in every attack - so you'd have to drop one of the other SOs, either the EndRedux (would hurt your non-stop PvE capability), Recharge (would slow down your attack chain, unless you have Hasten) or a Damage (would slow down your kill-rate).

Your shields could do with 3-slotting with Damage Resist SOs as well - that pretty much goes for all brutes. Until you get your shields slotted most of your durability will simply come from the fact that you have more hit points than most other archetypes (everything except Tankers and Kheldians in dwarf form).

L21 is certainly too early to give up if your only problems are accuracy and endurance - both can be corrected by SO enhancements.

With my SS/Dark I played most of the first twenty levels only using my status protection (obsidian shield) - that balanced health and endurance nicely into an almost non-stop playstyle. You might have been running more toggles than you need at your level.

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All Good Points TY


 

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All Good Points TY

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You're welcome

Something else I remembered, playing my 40 Fire/Fire Brute last weekend (for the first time in a month), is that it's important to get into a good rhythm with your basic attack powers. On Mayhem I can fight non-stop if I use the following attack chain: Fire Sword, Boxing (on auto), Air Superiority, Cremate, Boxing (on auto), Air Superiority, then repeat - that sequence leaves no gaps. I only use Greater Fire Sword if my Fury is high against bosses/EBs/heroes/AVs that I want dead in a hurry, and I only use Fire Sword Circle if there are at least 3 mobs in range (I use Build Up and Fiery Embrace beforehand to maximise damage, too) - then the damage from those two big attacks justifies their high Endurance cost and animation time.

But I forgot that for the first few fights at the weekend and I kept running out of Endurance because I was just spamming attacks in any order and even had some moments when all my attacks were in recharge (because I used all the big attacks together, rather than spreading them out through my attack chain to give them time to recharge inbetween my fast attacks).

So just because a big attack has recharged doesn't mean you should automatically use it asap. Likewise if an enemy only has a sliver of life left then it's more efficient to kill them with Boxing or let your Blazing Aura finish them off - using a bigger attack would be a waste of Endurance.

As a Brute you're fighting against your Endurance bar as much as against the enemy My SuperStrength/Dark Brute works the same way, so it's probably true for all brutes - or maybe it's just my playstyle - but it works


 

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All Good Points TY

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You're welcome


So just because a big attack has recharged doesn't mean you should automatically use it asap. Likewise if an enemy only has a sliver of life left then it's more efficient to kill them with Boxing or let your Blazing Aura finish them off - using a bigger attack would be a waste of Endurance.


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LOl and that's a habbit i need to get out of i have noticed i use fire sword when the BAD can be taked out with a jab, lol,
Thx m8.


 

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Just to give you an idea of an End-balanced build, here's mine:

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Exported from Ver: 1.7.6.0 of the CoH_CoV Character Builder
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Name: Brute - FieryMelee + FieryAura (to L40)
Level: 40
Archetype: Brute
Primary: Fiery Melee
Secondary: Fiery Aura
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01) --> Fire Sword ==> AccEndRdxDmgDmgDmgRechg
01) --> Fire Shield ==> DmgResDmgResDmgRes
02) --> Cremate ==> AccEndRdxDmgDmgDmgRechg
04) --> Healing Flames ==> RechgRechgHealHealHeal
06) --> Boxing ==> AccEndRdxDmgDmgDmgRechg
08) --> Air Superiority ==> AccEndRdxDmgDmgDmgRechg
10) --> Build Up ==> Rechg
12) --> Combat Jumping ==> Jump
14) --> Super Jump ==> Jump
16) --> Plasma Shield ==> DmgResDmgResDmgRes
18) --> Blazing Aura ==> AccEndRdxEndRdx
20) --> Consume ==> AccRechgRechgRechg
22) --> Acrobatics ==> EndRdx
24) --> Hurdle ==> Jump
26) --> Fire Sword Circle ==> AccEndRdxDmgDmgDmgRechg
28) --> Health ==> Heal
30) --> Stamina ==> EndModEndModEndMod
32) --> Greater Fire Sword ==> AccEndRdxDmgDmgDmgRechg
35) --> Tough ==> DmgResDmgResDmgResEndRdx
38) --> Fiery Embrace ==> RechgRechg
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If I was playing Mayhem from the beginning again I'd probably take Hurdle/Health/Stamina at levels 16/18/20 and delay PlasmaShield/BlazingAura/Consume until levels 24/28/30, but you can survive through the twenties with just Consume if you slot it heavily with SOs at L22+ and be careful to only run toggles you really need. Really I'd advise getting Stamina at 20, though - I did on my SS/Dark Brute and will on my forthcoming Electric Brute - it makes running multiple toggles, especially the End-hungry ones like Blazing Aura, much less painful for a Brute.

The only problem I have with Mayhem is that I'd like another Accuracy SO in each attack so I didn't miss so much against reds/purples & AVs/Heroes/EBs (and also for PvP), but I guess you can't have everything. I might drop the Rchg SO in Boxing/AirSup/GFS/FSC for an Accuracy and see how it works out, but Cremate & Fire Sword really need their Rchg SO in order that my attack chain has no gaps.

Hope this helps you with your slotting