SR or Ninjitsu?

Which would you say is better for PvP and why?

Ninjitsu.

Has near enough the same Def as SR, plus a self heal, and Res to fear, which SR doesn't have.

The main thing about Ninjitsu is that it was made for Stalkers, where as SR was just modified for from Scrappers.

maybe my planer is too hold (which one is the most close to the reality?) but ninjutsu seems to give a slightier better def.
but you will be less fast to attack than with SR

quickness only gives 20% +recharge .. not even an SO.
Def wise its SR .. SR can get +40ish were as ninjitsu can only get 36% ish.

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but you will be less fast to attack than with SR

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A Stalker in PvP?

V True... solo though?

Ninjitsu is better for PVE , because it has a heal and it has caltrops/blind powder/smoke flash, all awesome tools in any circumstances if used right...



Look at what each set has and compare them ,

Def = SR has slightly more
Heals = Ninjitsus Kujin Sha
Speed = SR's Quickness
Tools = Ninjitsu;s caltrops,smokeflash,blindpowder
resists = there the same , except ninjitsu is resistant to fear and there both clickys.

TBH i would say Ninjitsu is better than SR overall... even if it does have 4-6% less def , u can make up for that with CJ/Stealth ...

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resists = there the same , except ninjitsu is resistant to fear and there both clickys.

TBH i would say Ninjitsu is better than SR overall... even if it does have 4-6% less def , u can make up for that with CJ/Stealth ...

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Ninjitsu has no knockback resistance, and there's nothing to stop you getting CJ and Stealth with SR to maximise your Def. It seems on paper Ninjitsu is probably more balanced, especially with the built in heal.

SR for actual stalking. quickness is a very powerful power, for its res to slow. ALso SR has resistance to defence debuff which i believe ninjitsu lacks. not to mention KB protection.

Ninjitsu could be argued to have more suriviability because of the self heal. However I don't the fact it has no KB protection and being forced into leaping pool.

SR has better movement of the two in the form of quickness especially with the amount of slows going about, which is priceless for a stalker.

What's the Heal's actual healing capability and recharge compared to Regen's Reconstruction?

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What's the Heal's actual healing capability and recharge compared to Regen's Reconstruction?

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recon and kuji-in sha have the same recharge time .. with 3 Recharge SO's its 30 seconds.

My stalker is ninjitsu and in pvp slows are not a big deal, the same with knockdown but i do have teleport.
I took teleport because its the one travel power you can't follow or surpress with slows, so the jumping pool is not the be all and end all travel power for ninjitsu.

i took SJ , and acrobatics. It gives more hold/immobilize and you are immune to KD/KB. I hardly ever get slowed by people.

BUT Webgrenade is a pain in the [censored] and if u got SJ somone webnades u and caltroped your preety much dead unless u wack the kujin retsu button and give em the middle finger and laugh cos they not singing anymore

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i took SJ , and acrobatics. It gives more hold/immobilize and you are immune to KD/KB. I hardly ever get slowed by people.

BUT Webgrenade is a pain in the [censored] and if u got SJ somone webnades u and caltroped your preety much dead unless u wack the kujin retsu button and give em the middle finger and laugh cos they not singing anymore

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Kuji-in rin(ninjitsu) and practiced brawler(SR) stops immobs so it shouldn't be a big deal to be immob.. and the chances of being held with those on auto are slim to none .. i know i've tried to hold an SR scrapper in sirens with a mind dom and TK on so the need for more immob/hold protection isn't needed also the amount of knockdown powers are few.

In my version of HeroBuilder (yes, its updated ) IIRC the recharge on Kuji-In Rin has a recharge such that it cannot be perma without Hasten, even with 6 recharge SOs (not that I would, just for the sake of argument), while /SRs Practised Brawler is very easily perma'd, well at least on my scrapper.

Is this true so what?

if it is, I would chalk one more for team /SR

Lmfao no, Kuji-In Rin only takes 2 recharge SO's to be perma'd.

Ninjitsu is priceless though. I have a 40 Nin/Nin, does the job. Rolled another though, this time EM/Nin, he does the job 4x better But yeah, Nin doesn't have that KB Rez. So what? If you're a good enough stalker in PvP you shouldn't be getting knocked back. Then Nin has the fear resistance which is priceless. I didn't think Nin had quite as much def as 36%, thought it was more in the 29% range (with Hide), that's what Hero Planner says anyway.

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Kuji-In Rin only takes 2 recharge SO's to be perma'd.

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...I stand corrected