Where's the Empathy?

I joined a PUG with this guy that always sends me invites without tells (and I previously always ignored him). What happened I died (stupidly for a second time) and the healer on the PUGs response was to just walk past my dead body ignoring me. I waited assuming he was on recharge however he just continued to ignore my body at his feet.

When I asked him if he could "rez me please" he told me to "F*** off to the hospital you a***hole".

I had thanked him when he previously rezed me so he had no excuse and found this sort of behaviour really off putting. I never experienced anything so rude in WoW (although in WoW you can be banned for that sort of behaviour) which I have only just returned to CoH from. Moreover being an adult with a wife, house, car, and friends I don't experience this sort of behaviour in real life either.

Why on Earth would anyone play an Empath with that sort of a character defect? Is there an in game mechanism better than turning the other cheek to respond to this behaviour?

Lord Giro

In teams like that, just leave, it's not worth it. There are morons in every community, just petition them and move along.

They shouldnt and I hope you arent too put off by this incident. Petitioning abusive behaviour (like calling you names) is recommended.

All I can say is I hope you can find better teams in the future.

Ah cool I'll petition. In case there is a pattern of this behaviour from the chap.

Thanks guys,
Lord Giro

Just because someone took a set (mis)named Empathy, it doesn't really mean they're going to role-play an empathic character. It's just a healing and buff set, nothing more. So everyone who wants to be a "Healer" takes Empathy because it has two heals. (And therefore a lot of them miss the other fine points of that set. E.g., Clear Mind or Fortitude at lower levels.) And then there are people who really only wanted Healing Aura for the self-heal.

Anyway, again, it doesn't mean they were actually planning to be all empathic and understanding. Same as a Katana scrapper probably isn't going to role-play a Samurai living by the Bushido. Or likely even know what Bushido means.

Id also wonder why they would pay and play a game that requires sociable behaviour just to be abusive? Or for that matter why that sort of thing is done by them at all. Out of order and you dont need it. Better luck in the future.

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Just because someone took a set (mis)named Empathy, it doesn't really mean they're going to role-play an empathic character. It's just a healing and buff set, nothing more. So everyone who wants to be a "Healer" takes Empathy because it has two heals. (And therefore a lot of them miss the other fine points of that set. E.g., Clear Mind or Fortitude at lower levels.) And then there are people who really only wanted Healing Aura for the self-heal.

Anyway, again, it doesn't mean they were actually planning to be all empathic and understanding. Same as a Katana scrapper probably isn't going to role-play a Samurai living by the Bushido. Or likely even know what Bushido means.

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It has three heals.

Also, what's the point in taking a set if you're not going to use it? Reminds me of an Invul scrapper I teamed with that didn't take his Mez resistance. Man, was that a fun team when he was taking point against CoT.

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Just because someone took a set (mis)named Empathy, it doesn't really mean they're going to role-play an empathic character. It's just a healing and buff set, nothing more. So everyone who wants to be a "Healer" takes Empathy because it has two heals. (And therefore a lot of them miss the other fine points of that set. E.g., Clear Mind or Fortitude at lower levels.) And then there are people who really only wanted Healing Aura for the self-heal.

Anyway, again, it doesn't mean they were actually planning to be all empathic and understanding. Same as a Katana scrapper probably isn't going to role-play a Samurai living by the Bushido. Or likely even know what Bushido means.

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It has three heals.

Also, what's the point in taking a set if you're not going to use it? Reminds me of an Invul scrapper I teamed with that didn't take his Mez resistance. Man, was that a fun team when he was taking point against CoT.

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/e agree

I would also add that even if they werent planning to play as an empathic theres no excuse for the attidute they expressed and the language they used. Petition him.

I'd petition him then send him a tell saying I had done so, I have no time for bad attitudes in game.

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Also, what's the point in taking a set if you're not going to use it? Reminds me of an Invul scrapper I teamed with that didn't take his Mez resistance. Man, was that a fun team when he was taking point against CoT.

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Very good question and one I've asked myself a lot of times after teaming with such a character. And it's not just a mez resistance, I've been teamed before with such builds as:

- an Invuln Tanker in the mid-20's whose _only_ primary (literally) was Resist Physical Damage

- an Empathy Defender again in the mid 20's who apparently since level 6 had taken _only_ travel powers. All bloody 4 travel pools maxed, including the utterly useless Team Fly and Team Teleport. (Fly+Recall Friend or TP+Recall Friend are a faster and safer way to transport someone anyway.)

- a Claws Scrapper in the mid-20's which had literally a single attack and brawl. But he had the whole Leadership pool and tried healing the team with Medicine instead. (I can respect that he _did_ try to help the team with those, but why not roll a Defender then? Even the Leadership pool gives bigger bonuses on a Defender.)

That's just from the respec trials of my various characters, which I suppose does have a tendency of collecting more odd builds.

Plus the more usual suspects, like Fire Blappers (at least Energy has disorient and KB as "damage mitigation", but Fire Blapper is just sad), Force-Field Offenders (if it can't debuff the enemy, how's it an offender?), melee Controllers (Boxing+Kick+Flurry+AS+Jump Kick at least looks like a Scrapper, you know), etc.

What possesses these people to create such characters? Your guess is at least as good as mine.

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Also, what's the point in taking a set if you're not going to use it? Reminds me of an Invul scrapper I teamed with that didn't take his Mez resistance. Man, was that a fun team when he was taking point against CoT.

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Roleplaying is one of them. Character Concept is another. The fact that YOU (and by YOU I mean the other poster who said this) think that Group Fly are useless as is Group TP, doesn mean everyone feels the same.

If you don't like people who choose powers because they like, and think of a concept, instead of getting the UBER ones, just stay away from them. We will appreciate.

There are shades of grey between being UBER and being a complete gimp. I don't expect everyone to be a perfectly min-maxed munchkin, but there's also a matter of using some common sense. E.g.:

- a character who the whole TF only ran around healing others with Aid Other, and only had 1 attack (+brawl) he didn't even use... I don't know, his "Character Concept" sounded more like a Defender concept to me. Why roll a Scrapper then? A Defender fits that concept better and lets the other expect that concept too.

- A Tanker without mez protection, taunt aura, taunt, or for that matter anything except RPD just can't tank in any form or shape. That character was built at best as a Scrapper, so why not roll a Scrapper and be done with it? He'd even get to do more damage, since obviously he took only damage-dealing powers anyway. Even if he wanted punches instead of kicks, there are ways to fit Boxing and Air Superiority in a meaningful MA or DM build.

And even as a Scrapper, I'm left scratching my head what kind of character concept might involve skipping the mez protection. "Utterly Defenseless Man"?

- the Defender with 4 travel pools, but no Clear Mind, no RA, nothing but a heal aura and 2 attacks. Let's even skip the fact that giving a blaster CM helps the group a lot more than giving him Group Fly. Ok, so let's say she wanted to be a kinda group taxi. Well, let's put it like this: she already had Recall Friend, Fly _and_ Teleport. (So presumably teleporting people did fit her Character Concept already, right?) Exactly what further transport opportunities do Group TP or Group Fly open there? She could have flown or teleported to the destination and then recalled everyone there anyway. Trying to Group Fly or Group TP everyone instead just finished her endurance after half a mile, since that was in I4, long before Vigilance. Why not at least take Fitness then, so she can at least keep up the group fly, if that was part of some concept?

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That's just from the respec trials of my various characters, which I suppose does have a tendency of collecting more odd builds.

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What possesses these people to create such characters? Your guess is at least as good as mine.

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If they were on the respec then they know there were problems with their builds.

What possesses them to make toons like this? Not everyone has a hero builder or reads the forums to find out what powers to take and how to build their toons... They just take the powers that sound cool.

Yes they make mistakes... but people shouldn't look down on them just because they've made these mistakes.... from what you've said it looks like they were attempting to do the respec to fix any problems

(and I'm ignoring the idea that some may have been concept based toons...)

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There are shades of grey between being UBER and being a complete gimp.

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Yes, there are. I agree with you. And most of the people are on these shades.

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And even as a Scrapper, I'm left scratching my head what kind of character concept might involve skipping the mez protection. "Utterly Defenseless Man"?

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Why not. Some people take the idea of the R in MMORPG seriously. And like to make characters

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Exactly what further transport opportunities do Group TP or Group Fly open there?

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Because s\he likes it? That is a perfectly good explanation for me. Or maybe the concept was a Cab. I remember on the first weeks of CoH EU, we had the CABs on defiant. A group of people that the sole reason was to stay in Hollows entrance TP'ing people, for free. I, for one, like the idea of Group TP. And, I can see very nice uses for it in Group PvP.

Or getting the train of what someone replied, maybe he was testing. In all serious, if you don't want to use the character copy and test server, or you don't know it exists (remember that not everyone access the forums and build sites), make a character and select all of the travel powers is much faster than leveling various and gets a diferent Travel Power with each of them.

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- A Tanker without mez protection, taunt aura, taunt, or for that matter anything except RPD just can't tank in any form or shape. That character was built at best as a Scrapper, so why not roll a Scrapper and be done with it? He'd even get to do more damage, since obviously he took only damage-dealing powers anyway. Even if he wanted punches instead of kicks, there are ways to fit Boxing and Air Superiority in a meaningful MA or DM build.

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if you read the former posts they say the sentence Role Play a whole lotta times, just cuz you don understand why they have the build they have doesnt make it right for you to rack down on them.. you can tel them what you think they could have done and maybe they will be glad you told them, if not just shush!