Why cant the 2nd Pool Powers be made better!?
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07_CK_09,
Posted on: 2006-02-14 01:21 in Corruptors
A corruptors base damage is 75% of a blasters. A defenders is 66%. A corruptors cap is 500%, compaired to a defenders 400%. Corruptors get the beauty that is scourge. Overall, a corruptor can do way more damage than a defender.
If I had the oppotunity, I'd switch my D3 to a D2C in a second. The increase in offensive potential would be massive, while dark debuffs by so much the reduction would make little impact on how safe I was.
In fact, thinking about it, in 1v1 between a defender and a corruptors with identical powersets, I'd bet on the corruptor to win most of the time.
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Frankly, I'd really hate to see someone try to play a Kin Corruptor as a Defender, placing keeping everyone perma-buffed over actually using their primary.
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I often team with three Brutes and playing as a defender is definately my best role whilst doing this. I just dont get time to shoot anything as they go down faster than my activation time.
Having said that, When I team with anything else I actually find that I'm an offensive powerhouse and my play style is very un-defender like.
I recently loaded up my CoH elec/defender and discovered much to my surprise that I had developed some very un-defender like habbits which repeatedly got him killed. They are definately very different beasts despite the obvious similarity.
End of the day its about playing what you happy with, if your happier with the offender rather than the corruptor, go with it 
However also as mentioned careful build can make you quite durable, hover, stealth etc.
Personally I know that AV's such as Infernal and Aurora can be soloed. Also you can quite happily kill the Ghost of scrapyard solo (something I have done several times just to stop it killing people when it decides to go spawn camp the players coming of the ferry or out of the hospital).
However it is at the end of the day a game and about fun
Syn, winding you up is a well know CoH boards sport, I'd have thought you knew this by now.
Ill make a concession to you all, I think you probably are right. Clearly some things have changed since I left CoH. 75% 'was' the figure quoted defender damage vs blasters some time ago. I never worry about damage cap since I use resistance debuffs which effectively higher the cap. Practically staying at the cap is impossible, even with Fulcrum shift.
Ive noticed Post ED my debuffs are worse, so I think i would notice the roll reversal to a corrupter if the effectiveness is further reduced by 25%.
Anyway. I think i need to apologise in any case, and Syn wasnt completely incorrect. I'm a bit stressed. So... sorry for that Syn.
/em shuffle out the door.
The OP's main problem isn't that he picked a Corruptor instead of a Blaster - it's that he picked both a primary and secondary powerset that take a while to mature, so isn't very "blast-y" nor powerful in the beginning, hence why he thinks Kin is poor (lol). I'm amazed he hasn't come to the same conclusion about Assault Rifle, but I guess he really likes the look of that gun 
I had an AR/Kin at L10 which I deleted when I realised Fire/Rad suited my playstyle better, because I like dealing damage. The difference between both at lower levels was astonishing, both solo and teamed - Fire/Rad kicks out incredible damage and hardly gets hurt while doing it - the AR/Kin felt gimped by comparison (nothing short of a concept build could make me try AR again).
But teaming with /Kins in the late game has shown me the incredible power of the set at higher levels - nothing boosts a whole team quite so well as a Kineticist. So I'm considering a /Kinetics Corruptor just for teaming with friends (probably with Energy Blast because it looks cool and can kick out some good single-target damage). But if I needed a solo kineticist then I'd consider Ice Blast or Dark Blast instead for their secondary effects.
I think it's good that all AT builds are different - you just have to play a few different sets to find what suits your playstyle and needs.
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I often team with three Brutes and playing as a defender is definately my best role whilst doing this. I just dont get time to shoot anything as they go down faster than my activation time.
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Mm, there are certainly times when you can switch roles, and I think that's part of the versatility of the Corruptor - you can flip into concentrating on your secondary due to a specific situation or team makeup quite well. At lower levels especially I found myself sometimes jumping into a defensive role on my Ice/Dark, because I just didn't have the endurance to do everything - when things got bad, I'd sometimes drop back and use my heal and debuffs to keep everyone alive and safe if it was obvious that I wasn't going to be able to just kill off the mobs that were causing trouble.
On the whole though, like you said, I'm much more offensive than that. As gets said fairly often, a dead enemy is one who can't hurt you, so it only makes sense to make full use of that damage output. It doesn't carry over to a normal or defensive Defender build though, no. I've been repeatedly finding that out when I return to play my Defenders. 
My Empath doesn't really have any attacks, and trying to play her after so long as an Ice/Dark is quite a switch. Logging onto my Stormy for the first time in months was a bit of a shock, too!
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I often team with three Brutes and playing as a defender is definately my best role whilst doing this.
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No disagreement there - I chose /Kin purely to team up with brutes - the +ENDURANCE, +RECH +DAM works very well with them and in a team with one or more brutes there isn't time to do anything except buff them/debuff the mobs...
I chose Ice as I wanted to be able to solo "a bit". It came as a bit of a shock to me just how effective the combination was (for soloing).
Synaesthetix:if your mum wasn't already dead I would go kill her for bringing
you into the world
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I often team with three Brutes and playing as a defender is definately my best role whilst doing this.
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No disagreement there - I chose /Kin purely to team up with brutes - the +ENDURANCE, +RECH +DAM works very well with them and in a team with one or more brutes there isn't time to do anything except buff them/debuff the mobs...
I chose Ice as I wanted to be able to solo "a bit". It came as a bit of a shock to me just how effective the combination was (for soloing).
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THere is another you I have noticed 2 corruptors do when teamed with a certain brute and that is to stand as far as way from her as possible when fighting CoT as the brute killing there speed boost resource is not a good idea. THis does happen a lot with one brute killing more team members than they enemy
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THere is another you I have noticed 2 corruptors do when teamed with a certain brute and that is to stand as far as way from her as possible when fighting CoT as the brute killing there speed boost resource is not a good idea. THis does happen a lot with one brute killing more team members than they enemy
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If it is HER, then it isn't me ... genericvillain001 is all ... transdimensional demon come to kill all life on earth as it happens. I think I know who you are talking about though. I don't get to team enough with kineticists with my brute for it to be me 
I'm assuming english isn't your first language as some of what you say is a bit garbled - speed boost doesn't require an enemy resource to leech off so I'm guessing you are talking about the siphons and other targeted powers - and the point you are making is that brutes (backed up with sipohn power, speed boost, transference and fulcrum shift) kill things too fast for corruptors to reliably target things? Not really surprising... I DO tend to leave things at under 50% alone on the grounds that someone will be scourging it shortly ... but once rage and fulcrum shift kicks in (and you don't stop, so fury never drops) that isn't always so easy. Don't notice anyone complaining about the XP though - I actually have a Brute and a /Kin corruptor and oddly enough most people I team with (regularly or brutes/corruptors I invite or that invite me) have the same set up. Great minds think alike and all that.
Synaesthetix:if your mum wasn't already dead I would go kill her for bringing
you into the world
I suspect that the good doctor was referring to me Terrible habbit when fighting CoT to get confused, course then I cant actually choose which person on screen I attack, so when "teammates" happen to stand close, they often get caught in my aoe's, or occasionally just battered through the floor. But I try and avoid doing that to my kinetic...they need wrapping up and keep safe
Fulcrum shift + full fury + rage +KO Blow = dead teamate
SMASH!
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THere is another you I have noticed 2 corruptors do when teamed with a certain brute and that is to stand as far as way from her as possible when fighting CoT as the brute killing there speed boost resource is not a good idea.
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I'm assuming english isn't your first language as some of what you say is a bit garbled...and the point you are making is that brutes (backed up with sipohn power, speed boost, transference and fulcrum shift) kill things too fast for corruptors to reliably target things?
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I presumed they were refering to confused or decieved brutes hitting everything in range including the poor Corruptor, who is now Red (Hostile) to them. Combined with Fulcrum shift its quite concievable that the Brute will one shot you. So far I've only seen this happen once and it was against Rikti.
No tis me in cirlce of thorns missions while confused killing my team mates that happen to be standing just that little bit too close.
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No tis me in cirlce of thorns missions while confused killing my team mates that happen to be standing just that little bit too close.
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Yeah. Oppressive Gloom + team mates nearby + Succubbi = ROFL
Synaesthetix:if your mum wasn't already dead I would go kill her for bringing
you into the world
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Fulcrum shift + full fury + rage +KO Blow = dead teamate
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Even a dead granite team mate as has happened before now
Sorry English is my first language but due to certain difficulties I have for me to try to express anything in words usually comes out wrong unless I have someone around to read over it for me before posting as a result I appologise for any confusion.
I only once wiped the party and that wasnt reallllly my fault........the death mages killed some people too!
(dammit when are the CoT gonna finish processing my job application)
Dont feel bad I have seen other brutes kill team members, its just they dont do it as well as you 
No denying I am built for smash
Fire Sword Circle + Blazing Aura can get quite ugly as well when succubi are around me - especially with full Fury if I've just also activated Fiery Embrace & Build-Up to make my FSC really count.
I haven't killed anyone yet, but I have brought an entire team all close to the brink of death before, because a succubi landed confuse a second before I hit FSC - thankfully the FSC wiped out most of the enemies as well
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I would like to take this opportunity to apologise to this poster. I read a thread (since deleted) where I assumed he was either a professional troll or a complete retard. Given it was quite a well written (if mistaken) post I assumed it was an attempt at trolling. I accused him of being a troll and he reacted strongly and abusively. I did not mean to give that much offence and I can only apologise for my mistaken assumption and hope he forgives me.
Synaesthetix:if your mum wasn't already dead I would go kill her for bringing
you into the world
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I would like to take this opportunity to apologise to this poster. I read a thread (since deleted) where I assumed he was either a professional troll or a complete retard. Given it was quite a well written (if mistaken) post I assumed it was an attempt at trolling. I accused him of being a troll and he reacted strongly and abusively. I did not mean to give that much offence and I can only apologise for my mistaken assumption and hope he forgives me.
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FOR SHAME!!
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I would like to take this opportunity to apologise to this poster. I read a thread (since deleted) where I assumed he was either a professional troll or a complete retard. Given it was quite a well written (if mistaken) post I assumed it was an attempt at trolling. I accused him of being a troll and he reacted strongly and abusively. I did not mean to give that much offence and I can only apologise for my mistaken assumption and hope he forgives me.
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Yea thanks i guess
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I think you would be surprised at how little impact the decrease in effeciveness of your secondary has compared to the increase in effectiveness in the primary and the change in inherent. I suspect a Rad/Rad corruptor with an identical build to your defender would easily out damage you with little additional risk.
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Quoting this for truth, pretty much.
Defenders, from what I've heard, are at 65% damage of Blasters. Corruptors have been quoted at 75%. That 10%, having played both, makes a massive difference. Meanwhile, the lowered secondaries don't feel like they make a huge difference - i.e., if I put Darkest Night, as a Corruptor, on an AV, it's very noticeable and I suddenly can surive very easily. Unlike a Defender, though, I have the damage output to actually kill it.
Same in PvP, where my Corruptor is a LOT of fun to play in one-on-ones, because I have the debuffs (and they're strong enough to make life difficult for all but the most tweaked PvP builds), but I also have enough damage output to actually finish people off before they escape. Having seen a lot of Defenders in PvP, the majority of them are stuck playing support, while a few specifically built ones actually have a good go of it, but still often need other people with them to get kills. I've fought enough Rad/Rad Defenders in Siren's Call to know they're annoying, but don't really worry me, because they can't kill me before I can kill them.