Implale from Spines or Fear from Dark Melee?
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Imaginary_EU,
Posted on: 2005-12-19 07:37 in Everything about PvP
It depends on level. Spines is bad in sirens and bloody bad, they need more attacks. DM can just about crawl away with a decent build in those zones. In warburg and later on spines FTW.
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controllers: Ill rad , grav rad, fire kin, ice kin
blaster: ice em
scrapper: spines sr
Heya Pixie. I just respecced Be-el yesterday after advice from another DM on touch of fear. 2 Accuracy 3 ToHit Debuffs and 1 Fear duration seem to work a treat for me in one on one situations as my opponent can rarely hit me 
or possibly you could go for 3 Accuracy and 3 ToHit debuffs. Stalk-obot is prolly the best person i know to ask about spines although thats from a Stalker point of view or Impaler from the scrapper side of things. (possibly there are others better to ask, but these 2 are the ones i've noticed that know what they are doing with em 
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I love spines so much in sirens it should be illegal 
impales -fly and immob is a joy and Pixie should exploit this more by going for Doms and Corruptors then battering them once immobbed. I hate spines with a passion whenever someone else has them on scrappers they are really annoying to me and do knock off my normal game which is a good thing for you.
That said fear is about the only thing that can hold me without a mimimum of being triple stacked on me so is very useful to ahve against stalkers. Be-els Dark regen was a pain in the [censored] and wish he came back to the dark side last night
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although DM is a good set go for spines cause simply u can excel in PvP and especially at zones like SC, Warburg and the higher one later on. If u need advice for the spines i think Chives is the person to talk to
why not go with spines and take the fear pool? Best of both worlds.
Perhaps i'm missing something here, but there is no fear pool as far as i'm aware, although i did see someone else mention the same thing recently 
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Perhaps i'm missing something here, but there is no fear pool as far as i'm aware, although i did see someone else mention the same thing recently
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Its the presence pool - intimade, provoke, panic (can't remember what the fouth one is called but its a single taunt).
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Ah didnt realise the last 2 powers in that pool were fear ones. Learn summit nwew every day and all that
Those would be handy, but would need to select 2 powers from it to have 1 fear power, and i reckon most builds would find it hard to find those 2 spaces for pre-30 powers for exemp in Sirens ( i say sirens cos thats where most PvP happens ). If i could have fit them in on Be-el i would but i've got no chance of sparing 2 powers on Regen, just too many essential powers. Could always put them in in the 40-50 powers next time i get a respec, but that would be pointless as Sirens exemps to 30 and Warberg to 38 or 40 cant remember which. Shame 
Spines are in fact one of the better tools for PVP, OK, they deal less damage than the rest of the scrappers AT's but. they have speed. so less DMG, but more attacks over time really does amount to a better outcome in PVP fights. plus if paired with DA, then you have additional dmg dealing powers (deathshroud)
Impale is very useful for flyers and paired with Buildup your looking at decent dmg. add 3 dmg, 2 acc and 1 recharge and you will see that you use this on a regular basis. the beauty of it.. it costs very little end.
Another useful one for PVP is Barb Swipe, this is a power that most people miss.. I on the other hand take this as its a good power to use while waiting for the more important dmg powers to recharge, so its a "fill in power" again very little end cost. and slotted correctly does about 80/100 dmg.. Ok its not much, but also consider than Im running DS (25 per tick) and quills ( about 25 a tick too) so thats an extra 50 dmg every 2 secs) - then add OG and they are disoriented and ready to drop..(blasters/trollers/defenders) tanks/scrappers mainly have res to this so its tougher and is more about pure combat rather than status effects.
I have all the primary attacks with my spines scrapper, and can tackle almost anything, if you open the dark mastery pool and get the dark hold "petryfying glaze" it works a treat.
Spines/DA is a great combo, and I had very much fun talking it to 50. great damage and very usefull. its weakness are your not as strong in defence as others and can only realy trust on your dark generation for your survival in long battles. but its aim is too get in, kill quick and get out!, however in PVP this does not count.
Lots of Slows from spines/add recharge to Dark regen/ buildup and lots of fast power attacks should see you through..
The mass downside to a spines/DA is a energy blaster!.. toggle drops.. then you need about half hour to turn the 50000 toggles back on! arrgh!
Spines scrappers are the only scrappers I'm afraid in PvP as they get me practically every time (they are blappers really). Quite good against dominators and mm's and corruptors too I quess.
Spines is the best PvP Scrapper set.
There you go question answered.
BTW Barb Swipe sucks.
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err...jack no it doesnt.
diff builds require diff powers, I use it a lot and has served me very well. - depends how and when you use it that matters. for DA, our END is a problem.. if we are in long battles, then we need to resort to less end efficent powers to carry on the fight until our End is recharged. so barb and impale use little end so is therfore our savour.
Lunge is like twice as good as Barb Swpie and even then it's poor, not even worth using with the incredibly low damage it does and the long animation which Spines has enough of already.
All you want to be doing ever is Impale, Ripper, Throw Spines and the occasional Lunge, if we're talking 50 though fit in Energy Torrent or Laser Beam Eyes instead of Lunge (You will take Body because I command it, among other reasons)
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nope I totaly disagree, DA has enough END problems even after ED to support just those attacks. you are a regen so you dont have this problem. for me barb and lunge get used later on when my end is low for sustained fights, throwspines/ripper always get used first or untill end is draining. - we are DA we dont have your luxory. and as for epics..I only took the gaze hold as its a very useful power in PVE and PVP.. Why would I take LBE and energy torrent? Im a AOE Scrapper want to keep them close not push them away...
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Perhaps i'm missing something here, but there is no fear pool as far as i'm aware, although i did see someone else mention the same thing recently
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Hehe how u think my stormie keeps spamming fear on some stalkers that try tp away *looks at obot* FEAR FTW!!!!
For a start Zak the thread is about which is better for PvP a DM or Spines both Regen. Secondly Energy Torrent I find gives Spines that extra AoE in PvE to be even better, plus it doesn't knock down unless the mob is one level below you, better damage type than Lethal too.
In PvP however it's a good knockdown tool and of course another Ranged attack which you can never get enough of. I realise Dark Armour needs to use low end attacks and that's part of what's wrong with them in PvP, a flaw, it doesn't make Barb Swipe a good power.
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Perhaps i'm missing something here, but there is no fear pool as far as i'm aware, although i did see someone else mention the same thing recently
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Hehe how u think my stormie keeps spamming fear on some stalkers that try tp away *looks at obot* FEAR FTW!!!!
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How often do I get close enough for u to hit me with it oh and I dont have TP either Impale FTW
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Thanks for the help everyone, much appreciated! xxx
Well, I got myself another level last night on the Spines girl, which resulted in me getting that second one from the bottom, erm .... can't think what it's called, Ripper maybe?
Anyway, turns out that does lovely damage and comes back pretty fast too . That was the main issue really, I didn't feel as tough with the Spines girl as I was with Pixie (Dark Melee). A bit of slottage in that new skill I got and I should be a little demon!
I'd love to go with that Presence line but I don't think I'll have room (I'm level 26 now and still have Instant Healing to come). I got that on Pixie a coupla nights back, that's a lovely skill ain't it?!
Anyway, before I continue to babble, I'll shut up!
Thanks so much again,
Love from,
Pixie and Gold Digger
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SPINES FTW loved it never turn away from it not the most powerfull set but most enjoyable both in pvp and pve.
I think the scrapper in the union heavyweight S4 team was a Spine/Regen scrapper 
he did a pretty good job
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Love you!
I'm trying to decide which of my girls to rebuild for PvP.
Pixie Tricks is Dark Melee and Regen
Gold Digger is Spines and Regen
Pixie feels tougher on the ground and can take quite a beating before she goes down, although she has to be toe to toe before she can be involved in a barny (which can be a pain in big fights and lotsa lag). Fear does seem to land quite a lot and that seems to be her party trick. She also does quite nice damage.
Gold has Impale which can be cast from a distance and is a nice little opener for a fight, but she doesn't do too much damage in a toe to toe fight. Also she seems to get dropped much faster. Impale is her party trick and can be quite the annoyance when folks are trying to escape heh.
With the right build I assume they could both be fairly ok for PvP, I just can't decide which one to focus on.
It basically boils down to Impale or Fear? I was also wondering if the slowing of attack rate from the Spines set actually works well in PvP?
Any suggestions?
Love from,
Pixie
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