So with being able to have 2 sets...

That's funny, I actually happen to HAVE a Fire/Fire and I used his second build for PvP.

Simple, really. I used the power choices that went into my secondary for pool powers that are useful for PvP but have no place in my PvE build. I also changed my APP from Fire to Cold. Same character, same primary and secondary, completely different playstyle.

Okay, the suggestion so far has been: Respec your AT, Primary, Secondary, and Origin, and start over from level 1.

What happens if you decide you want the old character back at some point? You do the same thing, starting over at level 1?

Or are you advocating that you use your second build for the completely different character? Uh, no, I can see that being far to exploitable. I'll even explain my reasoning.

Say you have a scrapper character, who happens to be your main badge collector too. You want the healing badges, but it is next to impossible for the scrapper to get, since it is restricted to Aid Other and nothing else. If you could make your second build an Empath, you would get the healing badges in a fraction of the time.

The point I'm making is, if you want to start the same character over at level 1 anyway, why not just make a new character. That way you don't lose anything at all on the old one.

This is a bad idea anyway you slice it. The devs have already said it's never gonna happen, and I happen to agree with the people who are against it.

Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately.

Hi, I just got in from the other side of the pond. I wasn't here for the beginning of this. So carry on: I'm neither for or against it.

The problem with rolling an alt, as has been mentioned, is that it's not the same character and the loss of badges, accolades, and so on.

The point I'm making is that it's not going to hurt anything (respeccing to L1 in a new AT or power set), so why NOT allow it?

It makes certain badges too easy to get. It was never intended for any one character to obtain every single badge in the game.

Sure, some people have ALMOST all of them, but they had to go to ridiculous lengths to get some of them.

A scrapper will never get the healing badges as fast as an Empath will. On the reverse, an Empath won't get the damage badges as fast as a Regen can get them. Being able to switch your AT and powerset would make that system exploitable, which it currently is not. Trust me, hardcore badge collectors all over the place would use this feature for exactly that.

And you are still ignoring the fact that the devs have said it is never going to happen. They didn't say it was too difficult, they didn't say it was too time consuming, they said "We're not going to do it, because it would be unbalancing."

It's not a matter of them not having the manpower or the ability to implement this. It's a matter of they just plain don't want to do it. And I seriously doubt the extreme minority of people that are asking for it are going to change their minds.

A suggestion is exactly that, a suggestion. No group of players, no matter how large, has any authority to tell the devs what to put in the game. If they have looked at this thread, they have seen a few people in favor of it, and a significant number more against it. The forums, while not showing the opinion of every player in the game, are a decent cross section, and I'd be willing to bet that the percentages for and against would be about the same. I highly doubt the devs will implement something they see as unbalancing to please 5 or 10% of the playerbase.

Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately.

Badges don't generally affect gameplay, so the idea that they're unbalancing can only relate to accolades, which are avaiable to everyone.

The Devs say it will never happen, but they've said the same thing before and changed their minds. All we can do is put it out there and see what happens.

5 or 10% of the playerbase still deserves attention, especially if it's not going to hinder anyone else. Consider that PvPers represent a very small portion of the playerbase, yet PvP was implemented and continues to be maintained.

Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately.

Indeed, but you never know. They may change their minds if people present a cogent reason for it.

PvP is a different animal than every other "niche" group. A solid PvP player base can maintain a game by themselves. The reason PvP is still looked at in this game IS NOT for loyalty reasons, it is because PvP is a niche group for CoH to make money off of. That simple.

First of all, as said above by Ultimo, badges don't affect gameplay, so how come that's the big deal now?

Second of all, a empath defender can rest infront of a group of mobs and go afk just as good as a regen scrapper, maybe not exactly as many mobs as the scrapper can take especially if he is regen but a good enough amount to get those badges done in a fairly quick time. NOBODY has gained the epic dmg badges through normal gameplay, NOBODY. (a defense set resisting or avoiding dmg would be ridiculous so we're ONLY talking about regen scrappers here, not any of the other scrapper sets).

And a scrapper can just go afk in a gladiator match just as well as a empath defender can. How else do you think top badge hunters like Beefcake who is a tanker have gained all the healing badges? CERTAINLY NOT by using heal other. It was calculated to take 10 years with heal other as opposed to 8 months of afk gladiator farming.

Just another invalid point against this idea.

To another poster in this thread:
Obviously we'll use the dualspec for this so you can, at any given time, switch back to your main lvl 50. If you were to respec him, well, obviously hed be lost. But I never talked about the ability to respec your primary spec. Your secondary or even additional specs are the only specs where you could (well you could have the possibility to scrap your 50 primary spec if you really needed to, but isnt having a lvl 50 necessary to actually acces the dualspec ability?) switch AT/power sets and restart form level 1. It is, in no way, exploitable.

And last but not least:
What about the mute majority who have QUIT the game because there was nothing left to do for theirs 50s? Anybody considered them coming back for such a feature? I know I'm one of them (or soon to be again). Look at Lineage2 when subclasses were introduced. Most loved restarting from lvl 40 with a different class on their main and now this specific class even gives you additional bonuses on your main class such as becoming nobless/hero and even skill and stat increases.

No, they said power customisation could happen but they didn't have the resources- now they do.

But this suggestion is something that they probably could do, but they have stated that they won't. There's a difference.

Originally Posted by Dechs Kaison See, it's gems like these that make me check Claws' post history every once in a while to make sure I haven't missed anything good lately.

Can I have your stuff?